Microsoft Confirms Xbox Series X Specs - 12 TFLOPs, Custom APU With Zen 2, RDNA 2, H/W Accelerated Raytracing

[cucker tarlson]

The RX 5700 XT has problems at 2160p, it has bottlenecks somewhere in its configuration.
Better show 1080p where it is equal to RTX 2070 Super.

1080p (CPU bound) comparing reference vs fastest aib,nice try.
4k (actual GPU benchmark) aib vs aib 2070s is 10-15% faster,OC vs OC its almost 20%.

 

[Calmmo]

That sounds promising, should be faster than any current GPU on PC (until nvidia's new cards come out and maybe an even bigger rdna2 chip for pc) given the lower level access vs going through generic api's on pc. Like it should be when game boxes fist come out.

 

[ARF]

1080p (CPU bound) comparing reference vs fastest aib,nice try.
4k (actual GPU benchmark) aib vs aib 2070s is 10-15% faster,OC vs OC its almost 20%.

I look at all the reviews available from different sources:

AORUS Radeon RX 5700 XT 8G review (Page 20)

Gigabyte has released a new Radeon RX 5700 XT in its premium brand AORUS, which we review. It is one of the faster 5700 XT cards we've had our hands on. Fitted with a thick three fan cooling solution...

www.guru3d.com

 

[cucker tarlson]

I look at all the reviews available from different sources:

AORUS Radeon RX 5700 XT 8G review (Page 20)

Gigabyte has released a new Radeon RX 5700 XT in its premium brand AORUS, which we review. It is one of the faster 5700 XT cards we've had our hands on. Fitted with a thick three fan cooling solution...

www.guru3d.com

Mhm,cherry picked games at cherry picked resolutuons.
You can find 2060s beating 5700xt more often than 5700xt matching 2070s.
Full testing suite,4k,aib vs aib,only proper way of looking.

 

[notb]

Next gen consoles are going to be insane value.

Actually, they won't.
The general feeling is that these consoles will be too expensive and hard to sell.
Which means a cheaper "on-premise" model is likely to appear soon after the flagship.

Early rumors suggested we would get one "on-premise" console and one suitable just for streaming (like Nvidia Shield).

 

[ARF]

Actually, they won't.
The general feeling is that these consoles will be too expensive and hard to sell.
Which means a cheaper "on-premise" model is likely to appear soon after the flagship.

There will be some premium charge but of course its capabilities are unrivalled, so it's totally worth it.
It's designed to be immediately shrunk to 5nm and then to 3nm once the processes are available for mass production.
And then its chips will become much smaller and cheaper.

 

[cucker tarlson]

There will be some premium charge but of course its capabilities are unrivalled, so it's totally worth it.
It's designed to be immediately shrunk to 5nm and then to 3nm once the processes are available for mass production.
And then its chips will become much smaller and cheaper.

Well unrivalled for a console
If this is 2080 stock indeed then 3060 may match it as soon as it arrives

 

[ARF]

Well unrivalled for a console
If this is 2080 stock indeed then 3060 may match it as soon as it arrives

But comparisons don't work like that. On the console there is a closer to the metal API and its performance will be higher than on PCs.
On the console, you will be easily able to get 4K@120, while the PC will struggle at 4K@60.

Hope is that you get the point.

 

[cucker tarlson]

But comparisons don't work like that. On the console there is a closer to the metal API and its performance will be higher than on PCs.
On the console, you will be easily able to get 4K@120, while the PC will struggle at 4K@60.

Hope is that you get the point.

I forgot to mention that a pc is a pc
Does polaris in PS4 pro perform better than rx580?
No,its worse quality with worse performance in many cases.

 

[AnarchoPrimitiv]

I don't know what is the reason for looking at base clock but ok


anyway

5700xt=2070
9.75tflop=7.5tflop

to get 12 tflop rdna1 power turing would need 9.2tflop,which is around 2070 super FE (9.1)

2080 super is 11 tflops for comparison

consoles getting a 2070 super - this is really good,this card pretty much rips through 1440p ultra ATM.If the price is $500 it's really good for current gen.Dunno about ampere,with 7nm you may get current 2070 super performance at $350.

You're making your "assessment" based on RDNA1....this is RDNA2, and with VRS, AMD won't have to brute force as much, I guarantee this thing is more powerful than a 2070 Super

 

[cucker tarlson]

You're making your "assessment" based on RDNA1....this is RDNA2, and with VRS, AMD won't have to brute force as much, I guarantee this thing is more powerful than a 2070 Super

True,but cant guarantee anything.
Rdna1 to 2 is confirmed rt and vrs plus duv to euv.
There's nothing certain about rdna2 and hyping up amd products apparently never failed miserably before.
Ipc improvement may be single digit.
And my assessment was wrong but not because od that.
Aftet corrections it points to 2080fe performance,like @medi01 said,not 2070s.

 

[ARF]

No, if EUV N7+ is limited to 429 mm^2, then Navi 21 is N7 DUV with 505 mm^2.

RDNA 1.0 is hybrid between RDNA 2.0 and GCN 5.0.
RDNA 2.0 will be the true new micro-architecture.

 

[Durvelle27]

I'm not sure how this thread went from being about the Xbox Series X to 5700 XT vs RTX 2070. So please guys stay on topic. If you want to debate start another thread in the appropriate sub forum.

 

[notb]

There will be some premium charge but of course its capabilities are unrivalled, so it's totally worth it.

But that's not how console market works.

You can't buy/build a cheaper alternative. And you can't buy an older/used model to play new games on low settings. Basically, the MSRP becomes the cost of entry if you want to try modern titles.
$600 (maybe more) for next gen will be unacceptable for many consumers who are used to the levels we've seen earlier ($300-500).

The argument about price/performance ratio may only be relevant for gamers who are willing to choose between console and PC.

There have been suggestions that games made for Xbox Series X will run on Xbox One ("forward compatible"), but AFAIK there was no official statement if that includes One S or just One X.
Either way, if true, that means Xbox side already has a ~$250-300 budget model.

A lot less is known about Sony's plans.

 

[ARF]

But that's not how console market works.

You can't buy/build a cheaper alternative. And you can't buy an older/used model to play new games on low settings. Basically, the MSRP becomes the cost of entry if you want to try modern titles.
$600 (maybe more) for next gen will be unacceptable for many consumers who are used to the levels we've seen earlier ($300-500).

The argument about price/performance ratio may only be relevant for gamers who are willing to choose between console and PC.

There have been suggestions that games made for Xbox Series X will run on Xbox One ("forward compatible"), but AFAIK there was no official statement if that includes One S or just One X.
Either way, if true, that means Xbox side already has a ~$250-300 budget model.

A lot less is known about Sony's plans.

You will learn it the difficult way.
Get ready for prices rise.

Apple iPhone 11 Pro 512 GB costs up to $1349.

A much more powerful and expensive and advanced console should cost a lot, too.

$300 is a joke asking price.

 

[Chomiq]

You will learn it the difficult way.
Get ready for prices rise.

Apple iPhone 11 Pro 512 GB costs up to $1349.

A much more powerful and expensive and advanced console should cost a lot, too.

$300 is a joke asking price.

Except Sony and Microsoft can dump consoles on market with price below cost of manufacturing, knowing they'll get extra revenue from PS Now / Xbox Live, sales profits from the games, etc. They'll play the game of chicken when it comes to price announcements. If series x will cost $499 Sony will dump their PS5 below this, that's why they're staying quiet.

 

[Prince Valiant]

But comparisons don't work like that. On the console there is a closer to the metal API and its performance will be higher than on PCs.
On the console, you will be easily able to get 4K@120, while the PC will struggle at 4K@60.

Hope is that you get the point.

Being able to target specific hardware isn't going to magically give developers a 100% performance boost. Why do people still believe that nonsense?

 

[ARF]

Except Sony and Microsoft can dump consoles on market with price below cost of manufacturing, knowing they'll get extra revenue from PS Now / Xbox Live, sales profits from the games, etc. They'll play the game of chicken when it comes to price announcements. If series x will cost $499 Sony will dump their PS5 below this, that's why they're staying quiet.

AMD needs the money. It's unfair for AMD who supply and always stay in the red because of such criminal practices.

I wouldn't buy a next-gen console for $300 because it's dirty cheap.

Being able to target specific hardware isn't going to magically give developers a 100% performance boost. Why do people still believe that nonsense?

Why does RDR2 run only at 1080p60 max on RTX 2080 Ti?

 

[Prince Valiant]

AMD needs the money. It's unfair for AMD who supply and always stay in the red because of such criminal practices.
I wouldn't buy a next-gen console for $300 because it's dirty cheap.

Why does RDR2 run only at 1080p60 max on RTX 2080 Ti?

Incorrect.

Spoiler

 

[notb]

You will learn it the difficult way.
Get ready for prices rise.

Apple iPhone 11 Pro 512 GB costs up to $1349.

A much more powerful and expensive and advanced console should cost a lot, too.

$300 is a joke asking price.

As I said: there is no cheaper alternative to consoles (other than used stuff). That's the whole point.
Your elitist opinions won't change how the world works.

Apple can ask $1300 for a smartphone because they aren't interested in the low-end.
There are smartphones priced between $50 and $1500 (likely even wider).

MS and Sony are interested in the low-end. If they ask $600 for the cheapest console, a lot of people will move to PCs. So this will not happen. New games will either work on older consoles (which would remain in production) or we'll see new entry-level models.

 

[cucker tarlson]

As I said: there is no cheaper alternative to consoles (other than used stuff). That's the whole point.
Your elitist opinions won't change how the world works.

Apple can ask $1300 for a smartphone because they aren't interested in the low-end.
There are smartphones priced between $50 and $1500 (likely even wider).

MS and Sony are interested in the low-end. If they ask $600 for the cheapest console, a lot of people will move to PCs. So this will not happen. New games will either work on older consoles (which would remain in production) or we'll see new entry-level models.

main reason for the people to go with a console - pc components too expensive.

high end console is not a thing.

 

[R0H1T]

Actually, they won't.
The general feeling is that these consoles will be too expensive and hard to sell.
Which means a cheaper "on-premise" model is likely to appear soon after the flagship.

Early rumors suggested we would get one "on-premise" console and one suitable just for streaming (like Nvidia Shield).

Actually it totally depends on the cost they debut at, rumors are Sony & probably even MS(?) could sell them at or near cost though with negative (overall) margins like they did sometime previously. So it will be a much better perf/$ proposition than any of the similar specced PCs today.

 

[cucker tarlson]

well,if the asking price is $500-600,the console performs like 2080,and ampere 3060 can match it at $350,then those consoles are dead in the water.

jensen already made references to console gpus (2080maxq matching new consoles),though I don't think the maxq can really do that.desktop 2080fe - we'll see,but most likely.

 

[Chomiq]

main reason for the people to go with a console - pc components too expensive.

high end console is not a thing.

Ever heard of PS4 pro or XOX?

 

[cucker tarlson]

Ever heard of PS4 pro or XOX?

they're high end ? 1800p at 30 fps medium
they're same as rx580/590 and at their price they were already too expensive for many.
now ask 2200pln for a console and see ppl line up when 1600pln buys them a new 3060 and 1400 a used 1080Ti