Microsoft Details New Windows 11 Update System To Manage App Updates in Addition to Windows Systems and Drivers

[R-T-B]

Microsoft broke the driver update policy a few times. More than once I have found they updated my Radeon driver to the shit version they have on Windows Update, despite me setting the policy to not get driver updates through Windows Update.

Driver updates are a seperate policy setting + a regkey if you really want to stop them, so yeah.

 

[Athlonite]

WU is so bad at drivers though. They keep "updating" Intel IGPU driver to 4502, which is from 2023. I've seen this on multiple computers with different cpus. Always 4502. Sometimes it'll try to install a newer one, then later 4502 again. You'll try to install some other update and they just ram 4502 in without asking... For years now.

Then stop it from downloading and installing drivers lol it's that simple

 

[DaemonForce]

Earlier this week I had another monthly routine crash-reboot followed up with update-reboot.
Now I see this noise in the taskbar.

Oh yeah, great idea Microshaft. On the workstation computer?!
Someone at Redmond needs to get flayed.

 

[bobsled]

How can we be expected to trust ANY mechanism

The updates QA are the problem. The code changes to Windows. Not the windows update delivery method. So how does delivering the software updates created by the app developers via Windows Update create trigger such a rant response?

Having been a sysadmin in the past,

Hold that thought…

And here we are..

Perfect. Hold that thought indefinitely. Cheers.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Perfect. Hold that thought indefinitely. Cheers.

Did you think that was clever? It was not. Move along.

 

[lemonadesoda]

Nice. Forced upgrade of my older paid-for or freeware apps to latest versions reqyiring relicensing or subscriptions.

 

[NoLoihi]

I think in every other instance I’ve commented, I’ve read the full thread first, but I really don’t give a fvck right now …

Microsoft has been pummeled, for years, because on Linux (for many users, though there’s some push against that) all your software, all the executables you have, are sourced from a single vendor, the guys or organization that are running your distro. The control is immense and people choose distros based on that fact. Like how Debian is known to mess with stuff whereas Arch doesn’t (they call it staying true to upstream).
So now, Microsoft is trying to achive parity, struggling to put up an equal offering, and all they’re getting is being sandbagged and framed in the worst possible ways, by tech magazines and forum dwellers alike. It’s atrocious.

 

[Bobaganoosh]

Then stop it from downloading and installing drivers lol it's that simple

Yup, super simple on a work computer I don't have admin privileges on. As far as I know the only way to do it is to change group policy. It can't be fixed in windows update and you can't cancel an update or deselect it. That's a problem.

 

[Tomorrow]

Yup, super simple on a work computer I don't have admin privileges on. As far as I know the only way to do it is to change group policy. It can't be fixed in windows update and you can't cancel an update or deselect it. That's a problem.

Then speak with your work IT guys who do have admin rights. It's in their interest too that work computers experience the least possible downtime due to WU messing with drivers.

 

[evernessince]

And deleted my office 2019 in the computer, replaced with the useless office 365 'Desktop APP'.
Rollback button is grey.
I have to manually uninstall that crap and manually re-install my office 2019.

Office 365 is FULL of bugs. I'm lucky if there's a single day I don't run into something. Most of them are just annoying but it definitely adds up in lost productivity over time.

That said, I would definitely welcome a unified update system so long as the end user and developers maintain control. It should be akin to directX in the sense that it's a system that exists on every windows PC that merely facilitates an end goal, in this case package management and orchestrating updates. It should be feature rich and flexible to accommodate all potential developers and end users.

 

[azrael]

What could possibly go wrong...

 

[Darmok N Jalad]

Office 365 is FULL of bugs. I'm lucky if there's a single day I don't run into something. Most of them are just annoying but it definitely adds up in lost productivity over time.

Yeah, maybe if MS stopped tweaking things so much, it wouldn’t be so bad. Considering Office is used in a professional environment, I really don’t understand the rolling release with random UI changes and feature/add-removes. Normally, production-grade tools should have a consistent and well-known featureset, because random changes can work directly against productivity. I dread every monthly update when I see it queued, because I don’t NEED excel to change at all for what I do with it.

 

[Athlonite]

software updates created by the app developers via Windows Update create trigger such a rant response?

because somewhere somehow between the developers submission of the update and MS's packaging it for windows update MS manages to fuck it up somehow

 

[AsRock]

I've been using winget and now unigetUI to do software updates.
Makes some sense they are looking to integrate it in to the default windows update.

it is going to break stuff I'm 100% certain of it.
but the amount of computers I've seen that are running outdated unpatched software isn't low either.

Automatic adjustments of energy profiles and timings of ram after a certain period of monitoring wouldn't be bad either on the energy side of things.

this stuff isn't for us, tech enthousiasts/professionals but for the 90% of people that just use their computer to do their thing.

Yes but for MS to tell you what you will do and not the option of doing is two different things, in the end it supposed to be Your Computer and you supposed to be able to run it how you like.

If a person does not want to update then that's on them.

Funny thought the PC by default is called this PC when it used to be called My Computer, lets face it they want control and own your PC.

 

[Darmok N Jalad]

Yes but for MS to tell you what you will do and not the option of doing is two different things, in the end it supposed to be Your Computer and you supposed to be able to run it how you like.

If a person does not want to update then that's on them.

Funny thought the PC by default is called this PC when it used to be called My Computer, lets face it they want control and own your PC.

Turning the Personal Computer into the Personnel Computer.

 

[Crazybabe]

 

[forman313]

What is this Windows Update you speak of?

This thing?