Moderation Too Strict

[AusWolf]

Again, there's no need to reach the legal area at this point. Even if a racist joke comes from your best friend, who is 100% certain not racist otherwise, it is racist. Racism should not even have the luxury to remain as such in conversations, even if this is nested in a joke from someone you trust and call friend. You don't let poison near the kitchen, just in case, while you certainly don't plan on using it. You dispose of it. Well, same here.

Leaving the legal sentiment out, I must disagree. I'll let my friends be racist to me in their jokes all day long (as long as they're just that - jokes), but you do you. Banter is good fun, both giving and getting.

There can be a time and place for a "joke", depending on context and intentions and how it's received.

Exactly my point. My example was a crude one, not representing real life banter, as I couldn't come up with anything (not that I wanted to anyway).

 

[Assimilator]

Leaving the legal sentiment out, I must disagree. I'll let my friends be racist to me in their jokes all day long (as long as they're just that - jokes), but you do you. Banter is good fun, both giving and getting.

That isn't racism, though - "Eastern European" isn't a race, it's a region-based stereotype. Now, stereotypes can also be hurtful, but they're generally less hurtful (or at least, considered such in law) than out-and-out racism.

 

[AusWolf]

I'd like to add, what some people say as racist, might not be what you infer it to be. Clearly, if I called an ethnic group by a slur, it would be racist. But some terms get labelled as racist, when it might be more nationalist. Some English types might call me a 'Jock'. It's not racist, though it can be meant in a derogatory manner. If I was called a black Jock, the jock part would be the perceived offence, black being descriptive (this gets into unconscious bias). If another term other than 'black' was used, then yeah, it starts getting serious.

Consensual banter between friends shouldn't have bars, but it'd be a strange friendship if it was laced with ethnically racist insults, tbh. And I've have to ask, if there was a minority player in a group of friends, does the minority 'accept' the banter because they want to be part of the group, and are the group aware that they may be causing offence?

But that's just my opinion. It's more clean cut in the eyes of the law, where the context of hate is required (UK).

Incidentally, pic from a mostly forgotten film (1941), which perfectly illustrates some of the above:

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This, too. What's offensive and what isn't is hugely determined by one's perception of and attitude towards the situation and one's relationship with the other party.

That isn't racism, though - "Eastern European" isn't a race, it's a region-based stereotype. Now, stereotypes can also be hurtful, but they're generally less hurtful (or at least, considered such in law) than out-and-out racism.

Sure, but the point still stands. I could have used any nationality or race in the example, my point of view would be the same.

 

[Deleted member 236339]

If you are able to post stupid shit on a forum, that means you have access to the internet.
Having access to the internet means you are able to educate yourself to the point where you don't post stupid shit.
Ergo, if you post stupid shit, you haven't bothered to educate yourself, you are wasting my time, and I will not treat you kindly. Ignorance is never an excuse.

10/10 bad sophism here.
The Internet without initial education is nothing more than a sewage pipe to you. Your internet usage is built on your education before you started using the network. If you come from a wacko family, fair chance you'll have a wacko internet usage, and definitely zero incentive to "educate yourself". Same with toxic friends around you, they also mould who you are and what you do, including online.
On "posting stupid shit" do you have the same stance towards mega-corporation posting equally stupid shit, from cookies to T&Cs informing you they're about to sell your entire digital existence to the next data broker, or are you just interested in playing strong with (your appreciation of) the weaks and weak with the strongs?

Leaving the legal sentiment out, I must disagree. I'll let my friends be racist to me in their jokes all day long (as long as they're just that - jokes), but you do you. Banter is good fun, both giving and getting.


Exactly my point. My example was a crude one, not representing real life banter, as I couldn't come up with anything (not that I wanted to anyway).

Right, let's keep racism as an acceptable thing on a case by case basis, great idea. What's the next one, you'll have trust in average, or god forbids median, education amongst people and believe they'll make a what, educated use of racism? Give me a break.

 

[AusWolf]

Right, let's keep racism as an acceptable thing on a case by case basis, great idea. What's the next one, you'll have trust in average, or god forbids median, education amongst people and believe they'll make a what, educated use of racism? Give me a break.

Do you see what I mean? You perceive my example as racism, whereas I perceive it as friendly, inoffensive banter. What's the next one? Even just mentioning where I'm from is racist? Give me a break.

Edit: There's no need to talk about an average education among "people". I'm talking about my co-workers here, most of whom I've worked with for years. That's why I'm saying, context is key.

 

[GordonFreemanInTheFlesh]

Bro what

What is god?

 

[freeagent]

^^

Why are we always deleting posts

 

[Space Lynx]

Just a friendly reminder that no one else mentioned yet to my knowledge. You can still just ignore people and move on with your life, though I would prefer if there was a setting in preferences of this site, that got rid of the "yellow banner option that says-show posts by ignored users-" leave that optional to the end user, quite frankly, I don't like being tempted by that option, ignore is ignore for me for a reason, to avoid conflict usually. lol

 

[Arco]

Moderation is fine here, I do like to read some fun drama though once in a while. Do you know that latest GN video?

 

[InVasMani]

I've read every single post, thank you for you feedback!

One moderator...

To rule them all...

 

[Assimilator]

10/10 bad sophism here.
The Internet without initial education is nothing more than a sewage pipe to you. Your internet usage is built on your education before you started using the network. If you come from a wacko family, fair chance you'll have a wacko internet usage, and definitely zero incentive to "educate yourself". Same with toxic friends around you, they also mould who you are and what you do, including online.

How is any of that my problem?

On "posting stupid shit" do you have the same stance towards mega-corporation posting equally stupid shit, from cookies to T&Cs informing you they're about to sell your entire digital existence to the next data broker, or are you just interested in playing strong with (your appreciation of) the weaks and weak with the strongs?

We aren't talking about corporations here. Try to keep up.

 

[Deleted member 236339]

How is any of that my problem?

You make bad sophism, which is an inaccurate way to present nor articulate arguments, then you proceed on building an entire reasoning on the back of that. Which is quite funny coming from someone trumpeting "educate yourself". But again, it may very well not be your problem. That's fine, it speaks for itself then.

 

[wolf]

Is my behaviour toxic? Sure. But I'm not the one who came into the thread and made it toxic to begin with; I just responded in kind.

Quoted only a specific part, but in general your post has merit, it goes a lot further than I would, but it's largely what I was getting at here, and sometimes after reporting and waiting a good while, if the post isn't edited, hasn't received a warning, hasn't been marked low quality etc, I'll respond in kind, often getting the lot deleted, which I find preferable to letting the original toxic content stand unobstructed. I've said it before and I'll say it again, TPU is a respected site with a LOT of traffic, and it doesn't sit right with me just always putting toxic repeat offenders on ignore, or continuing to scroll on for a site and great discussion forum I care deeply about.

How about a mechanism to report blatant misinformation? Sometimes things aren't black and white, or yet to be fully fleshed out, naturally I get that - but what we get often enough on the internet is outright, intentional misinformation. I'd argue that even breaking zero other rules, deliberate misinformation could stand to be reported and reviewed for accuracy. Even if just to add words like "it is my opinion that XYZ" rather than XYZ being presented as ground truth.

 

[Bones]

^^

Why are we always deleting posts

Reminds me of a thing we've all heard before in a grocery store.

(TPU Intercom) "Freeagent - Cleanup on page 7..... Cleanup on page 7......"

Except it doesn't have to get messy does it?
I guess it's expected at times hence the need for moderation but in any event it's nothing I'd call fun to do.

 

[ThrashZone]

The better thing to do there is just not reply to the thread. Sometimes people need a direction to solve problems and that's part of a forum like this. Telling someone they're an idiot when they're just trying to find help doesn't contribute or solve anything.

Hi,
It's refreshing seeing this coming from you
A while back you were like my shadow doing exactly the opposite of what you just wrote nice to see you mellow a bit

On another note on topic
Bottom line toxic posts from admitted toxic members provoking/ baiting other members derail threads into shit fights and sadly mod's can't be every where to stop it early
I was reminded of that recently otherwise mods do a great job on tpu just wish other sites were this damn good !!!

 

[Assimilator]

You make bad sophism, which is an inaccurate way to present nor articulate arguments, then you proceed on building an entire reasoning on the back of that. Which is quite funny coming from someone trumpeting "educate yourself". But again, it may very well not be your problem. That's fine, it speaks for itself then.

You still haven't demonstrated how my argument is false. If you're capable of registering an account on a forum and making a post, you're more than capable of using a search engine, and the effort involved in doing the latter is less.

 

[A Computer Guy]

Perhaps a solution would be to not break eggs in the first place?

This ^^^. While the rules are important, generally if you approach the conversation with the intent on genuinely contributing to the advancement and/or preserving the integrity of the conversation you're likely not to run into much of a problem. From that perspective one shouldn't focus so much on not breaking the rules as much as being a responsible and valuable contributor. This I believe is more healthy mindset approaching a conversation than worrying about walking on eggshells. If one has to worry about walking on eggshells your either in the wrong place or in the wrong mindset and the conversation might end up being a waste of time.

Also I had a "your mom" joke edited out of a post, which absolutely floored me. Who the fuck actually gets offended at a "your mom" joke? It takes a lot to make me even more disappointed in people, but that did it.

Dear mods can I make a quick "knock-knock" combined with a "your mom" joke? I think it would be light hearted and funny given the current mood.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

^^

Why are we always deleting posts

I'm often surprised you're still staff, your as often a derailleur as the visitors.
And have with another mod derailed then closed at least one of my threads, want proof go look, though I had it as intentionally done bullshit.

 

[P4-630]

One moderator...

To rule them all...

Reported!

Excessive use of GIF memes...

 

[Beginner Macro Device]

If moderation is too strict then why am I still not banned?

 

[Assimilator]

If moderation is too strict then why am I still not banned?

Because someone's gotta provide the weird snake pictures.

 

[Beginner Macro Device]

someone's gotta

Spoiler: You asked for it.

 

[freeagent]

I'm often surprised you're still staff, your as often a derailleur as the visitors.

I am surprised the staff has been nice enough to allow you to continue posting here.

 

[Dr. Dro]

Point 4: a racist joke is a racist joke. Let's not reverse the charge here, it is not for the recipient to "take one for the team" it is for the sender to stop doing racist jokes. End of.

Personally, my stance on this is knowing when/where to use dark humor. I won't begrudge someone who wants to get a laugh, but there are places and settings to do so. Certainly not on a public forum.

Adding more toxicicty does not help. We all wish it did, but it never does.

I agree. If an argument starts going in circles, knowing when to withdraw is a good thing. For example, I personally have an extreme impasse with the AMD fanbase regarding the Radeon driver quality. I don't believe in it, I think it's hopeless, but they feel the opposite, it turns into bickering, and often not of the productive kind. I argue for a bit but when it starts to get personal, I just say that we won't change each other's minds, unfollow thread and move on.

I am surprised the staff has been nice enough to allow you to continue posting here.

Aww let's play nice, Mr. K is cool. We argue sometimes but he's cool. Everyone at TPU is cool and seeing people gone would actually make me pretty sad. Each and every member of TPU adds to the flavor that makes this place what it is. I even like when fevgatos goes on about Intel, LOL! It's entertaining

 

[Klemc]

This topic literraly stayed on top of all others all the day.