Monitor colors calibration?

[Bill_Bright]

I just want to emphasize that i'm not speaking about TVs but only monitor

I understand but it is important to note a TV is just a monitor with a built in tuner and dedicated computer - only, normally, bigger.

 

[YahyaMegahed]

Totally understood,

Just i wanted to go to the topic, pc monitors,

Any recommendations comply with the aforementioned features?

 

[lowrider_05]

Totally understood,

Just i wanted to go to the topic, pc monitors,

Any recommendations comply with the aforementioned features?

AOC Agon AG274QXM, 27"

This one would have all Things you want. but its not that cheap ~700+ USD

 

[Batou1986]

Unlike the phone display which colours are accurate, well defined and vivid, the dell monitor colours look inaccurate, dull, muffled or washed out or less saturated,

Unfortunately phone displays are highly innacurate they are generally oversaturated and overly bright in order to wow consumers same with a lot of TV's out of the box.
With that being said TN pannels dont have the greatest color rendering or contrast ratios but they are not inherently color innacurate so I think the issue here is your expectations and not the actual display.
I have a dell S2719DGF it was not very far off from sRGB out of the box this is its accuracy after calibration with a color checker the dashed line is sRGB spec.
You can use https://www.rtings.com/monitor to find something that will fit your needs they have an exaustive testing suite very accurate results as to a displays perfomance in all aspects.

 

[YahyaMegahed]

AOC Agon AG274QXM, 27"

This one would have all Things you want. but its not that cheap ~700+ USD

Waaay above my budget so i didn't even search for reviews.

 

[Logan7]

Unfortunately phone displays are highly innacurate they are generally oversaturated and overly bright in order to wow consumers same with a lot of TV's out of the box.

Absolutely agree with this, however the phone in question appears to actually be pretty accurate if set to "Original Color"
See:
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Xiaom...est-entry-into-the-Mi-11-series.549181.0.html

 

[mechtech]

You can check tftcentral. I think they have a list of settings for monitors. Might take some digging.

 

[Valantar]

IPS specially has great colours, much wider view angels and no colour shift but its contrast is average and somewhat slower,

IPS contrast is indeed average, but TN contrast is generally worse, so... yay?

Although i'm not a gamer at all but i seek pixel response for the sake of fast moving scenes in action movies,
I feel VA and IPS can't handle fast moving objects well.

Lol, this made me laugh out loud. Unless you're used to some absolutely terrible IPS panels (and that's coming from someone who daily drives an IPS from 2011!), you're not going to see smearing or slow pixel response in 24p or 30p video content. The base frames in that content aren't that sharp to begin with. Response times are an issue mainly if they're too slow to keep up with the refresh rate of your content, so in your case you'd need IPS or VA panels with pixel response times above 41ms (24p) or 33ms (30p). Any half decent monitor today is miles better than that.

And i'm on a limited budget to get a HI-END IPS.

So get an affordable 144Hz IPS or VA then - there are plenty of good ones out there.

What about AMOLED vs IPS?

It's a difficult comparison. AMOLED has a vast advantage in contrast, and doesn't have any glow, but can have color shift and reflectivity issues. Both can cover massive color spaces - and both can be woefully inaccurate. Also important: glossy screens appear more vivid and contrasty than matte ones, even if they measure identically in tests.

Oh, and is your phone screen actually color accurate? You're using it as a reference, but is it decently calibrated? Vivid and accurate are not at all synonyms after all.

In short though, your issue here is that you're comparing a TN panel - even if it's not a terrible TN panel - to an AMOLED. You made a conscious choice to go for TN, and have sacrificed color and contrast through that choice. Heck, the first review of that monitor that I found when searching for it (Tom's Guide) pointed out its washed out, dull colors and generally bad-looking panel. Do your research.

 

[tabascosauz]

Thank you all for interaction and replies, much appreciated,

I just want to emphasize that i'm not speaking about TVs but only monitor and the smallest of them 24" or 27" max,
You can say i'm addicted to movies especially fast action, hand to hand combat and scientific fiction,

What is important for me really is Wide colour gamut, accurate colours reproduction, deep blacks, even grey uniformity, fast response "no tearing, no ghosting, no blurring", G-Sync compatible and versatile stand "Tilt, Hight, Pivot, Swivel" at reasonable prices.

Any recommendations?

What you're seeing and what you describe are completely different things.

When you calibrate a monitor for accuracy, it's to establish an accurate reference when you do colour-sensitive work. I have a SpyderX Pro that I use to recalibrate my S2721DGF every few months because I do a fair bit of photo editing. If anything, colours look neutral/uninspiring after calibration, if you're used to an oversaturated/vibrant look.

What you're describing is just colours that look "pleasant" to you subjectively, because TN is hot garbage. It could still be a technically accurate display, but TN's horrible viewing angles just makes for a terrible viewing experience.

In any case, strict colour accuracy doesn't always make for a more subjectively pleasant image. When I have my monitor dialed in for accuracy, I still "prefer" how my images look when viewing on my phone. My phone is also wide[r] gamut (most of DCI-P3) but I have it set to oversaturate colours slightly.

Hard to compare to your phone in terms of contrast too because it's AMOLED - it displays true blacks. VA can reach okay contrast, IPS is often average/mediocre.

 

[YahyaMegahed]

Lol, this made me laugh out loud. Unless you're used to some absolutely terrible IPS panels (and that's coming from someone who daily drives an IPS from 2011!), you're not going to see smearing or slow pixel response in 24p or 30p video content. The base frames in that content aren't that sharp to begin with. Response times are an issue mainly if they're too slow to keep up with the refresh rate of your content, so in your case you'd need IPS or VA panels with pixel response times above 41ms (24p) or 33ms (30p). Any half decent monitor today is miles better than that.

I understand this thought i can't understand the reason for laughing out loud,
I opted for 144Hz because i thought and now i can see it was wrong, that higher refresh rate will eliminate the not smooth moving objects on screen, i think these objects were shoot by cameras and meant to be like this.
Still i think 120Hz is best to watch 23.9 and 29.7 movies, won't you agree?

Hard to compare to your phone in terms of contrast too because it's AMOLED - it displays true blacks. VA can reach okay contrast, IPS is often average/mediocre.

So to display true black, i have no option but AMOLED, which is rarity among PC monitors and incredibly expensive?

 

[Valantar]

I understand this thought i can't understand the reason for laughing out loud,

Sorry, that was a bit harsh, but the laughter came from confusing fast action in low fps content (i.e. big frame-to-frame differences) with the PC gaming-centric discourse around needing fast response times for high framerate gaming - two things that don't really relate to each other at all. Heck, some people complain that OLEDs look juddery and uneven in fast and/or smooth motion in movies due to their extremely fast pixel response times - they refresh so quickly that the transition from frame to frame becomes tangible, rather than translating into smooth motion. The point is: the needs for movies and video content are quite different overall from the needs of gaming use cases, and the same term in one area can mean very different things in another.

I opted for 144Hz because i thought and now i can see it was wrong, that higher refresh rate will eliminate the not smooth moving objects on screen, i think these objects were shoot by cameras and meant to be like this.
Still i think 120Hz is best to watch 23.9 and 29.7 movies, won't you agree?

120Hz is indeed better than 60Hz for 24p content, but makes no difference for 29.7p - that's essentially 30p, and equally matched to 60Hz and 120Hz. 24 on the other hand fits neatly into 120Hz, but not into 60Hz without interpolation or judder. And judder for 24p video on 60Hz screens is indeed a real concern, and can be very weird to look at - but has nothing to do with the panel's response times. And, heck, 144Hz doesn't fit 30p content at all, so there's also that.

So to display true black, i have no option but AMOLED, which is rarity among PC monitors and incredibly expensive?

OLEDs and other types of self-emissive displays are the only ones capable of "true" black - i.e. where a black portion of an image emits no light at all. Any LCD-based panel will have a backlight active to some degree (though FALD panels can do a great job of minimizing this), which lessens contrast overall - but this is extremely variable. Some LCDs have washed-out grey-looking blacks, others look really, really good. There's no denying that OLEDs are the superior technology for contrast - which is very important - but it also has inherent drawbacks, such as burn-in. And as you say it's really, really expensive for the few panels that exist at all. IPS and VA are great compromises that cover a vast range of prices and typically look decent even when they're relatively cheap. TN, on the other hand, has a well-deserved reputation for being terrible.

 

[YahyaMegahed]

IPS and VA are great compromises that cover a vast range of prices and typically look decent even when they're relatively cheap. TN, on the other hand, has a well-deserved reputation for being terrible.

I briefly tested both IPS and VA and i guess IPS was superior,
I returned the TN monitor under warranty although i suspect they will ever make a refund, my best expectation is a replacement,

BTW, i have an old TN LG Flatron 2243S monitor and it looks better although dimmer and had yellowish tint.

I think i still have a final question, which refresh rate is best for 24p and 30p movies altogether?

 

[Valantar]

I briefly tested both IPS and VA and i guess IPS was superior,
I returned the TN monitor under warranty although i suspect they will ever make a refund, my best expectation is a replacement,

BTW, i have an old TN LG Flatron 2243S monitor and it looks better although dimmer and had yellowish tint.

I think i still have a final question, which refresh rate is best for 24p and 30p movies altogether?

I would run 120Hz for content consumption if you can, as that's the best match for the widest range of content framerates.

And yeah, there's a ton of quality variation even within TN panels. That's why reading reviews is always a good idea. Hope you can get a refund, as it sure didn't sound like a pleasant monitor to use!

 

[YahyaMegahed]

I would run 120Hz for content consumption if you can, as that's the best match for the widest range of content framerates.

Here, there's no 120Hz monitors, and if i opt for 144Hz and run it @ 120Hz, i'll run into the same exact problem, washed out colours,

So, please help me out here, 60 or 75 or 144Hz?, IPS of course.

 

[Valantar]

Here, there's no 120Hz monitors, and if i opt for 144Hz and run it @ 120Hz, i'll run into the same exact problem, washed out colours,

So, please help me out here, 60 or 75 or 144Hz?, IPS of course.

There's no reason why colors should look different at 120Hz than at 144, so check the color settings for your display output - is it set to RGB or some form of YCbCr (it should be RGB), what is the monitors color depth, etc?

 

[YahyaMegahed]

There's no reason why colors should look different at 120Hz than at 144, so check the color settings for your display output - is it set to RGB or some form of YCbCr (it should be RGB), what is the monitors color depth, etc?

The monitor in question had this issue, @120Hz it's washed out, @144Hz "Native" it's much better, so i guess any TN monitor i'll run at less than its native refresh rate is going to have this washed out effect

 

[Valantar]

The monitor in question had this issue, @120Hz it's washed out, @144Hz "Native" it's much better, so i guess any TN monitor i'll run at less than its native refresh rate is going to have this washed out effect

As i was trying to say, there's no necessary reason for this to be so. Either that monitor behaves very strangely (maybe setting it to 144Hz sets it to some sort of "game mode" with boosted colors?), or your PC changed some setting alongside the refresh rate (color depth, encoding, color compression) as mentioned above. This is not a normal behaviour for any type of monitor, as there's no function of refresh rate that would expand or limit the color gamut of a display. Still: seems even better that you got rid of it given this weirdness. I wouldn't worry about setting any future monitors to 120Hz though.

 

[Upgrayedd]

Have you checked Rtings? They may have some settings to follow

 

[YahyaMegahed]

As i was trying to say, there's no necessary reason for this to be so. Either that monitor behaves very strangely (maybe setting it to 144Hz sets it to some sort of "game mode" with boosted colors?), or your PC changed some setting alongside the refresh rate (color depth, encoding, color compression) as mentioned above. This is not a normal behaviour for any type of monitor, as there's no function of refresh rate that would expand or limit the color gamut of a display. Still: seems even better that you got rid of it given this weirdness. I wouldn't worry about setting any future monitors to 120Hz though.

I think i'll tell this to Dell warranty service and hopefully they trade it for IPS monitor

Have you checked Rtings? They may have some settings to follow

I did and also checked the DisplayNinja and got some recommendations, two of them are available here although overpriced but still within reach but first let us see what Dell warranty service will do.

 

[Upgrayedd]

I think i'll tell this to Dell warranty service and hopefully they trade it for IPS monitor


I did and also checked the DisplayNinja and got some recommendations, two of them are available here although overpriced but still within reach but first let us see what Dell warranty service will do.

Did you download the ICC profile for your monitor from Dell?

 

[Valantar]

Did you download the ICC profile for your monitor from Dell?

I think they've already returned it?

 

[YahyaMegahed]

I think they've already returned it?

They picked it up so it's no more in my disposal.

 

[Sybaris_Caesar]

 

[YahyaMegahed]

It has been a while,
I just wanted to tell you Dell warranty refunded me the display price and now i have two options;

* AOC 24G2 "I read good articles about it"
* LG Ultragear 24GN650-B " Same here";

Which one would you recommend?, thanks.

 

[Valantar]

I'm not personally familiar with either, but the 24G2 has been HWUB's entry level gaming monitor recommendation for years, and I fully trust them when it comes to monitor reviews. Reading monitor spec sheets is mostly useless as it tells us nothing about actual panel quality or characteristics, but one noteworthy difference between the two is that the 24G2 has a notably wider color gamut (123% sRGB v. 99% for the LG), which doesn't necessarily help it be more accurate (that depends on the factory calibration, color modes, and how you tune it), but if you want more vibrant colors, it should be better able to produce them.