Montech Flyer

[Darksaber]

The Montech Flyer mATX chassis clocks in at around an affordable $50, but offers two fans, RGB with built-in control, AIO liquid cooling capabilities, and a shiny and clean paint job. Could this be the perfect starter chassis or does the low price mean corners were cut?

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[igulfast]

A case review without thermals seems rather pointless...

 

[NRANM]

A case review without thermals seems rather pointless...

From a user's perspective it is indeed like 99% worthless (I assume a photo here or there might actually help a user once in a while).
From a business perspective, however, it makes perfect sense: minimal effort is invested, and the money from the companies whose cases are being adver... I mean reviewed... pays the bills.

Anyhoo, it would seem you are now a member of the exclusive club of people who express their opinions about the issue, but our words fall on deaf ears. Or should it be text falling on blind eyes on an Internet forum?

 

[PLSG08]

IMO you guys should check out more of Tecware's cases. Here in SEA they're hella good cases for the price.

 

[GlacierNine]

From a user's perspective it is indeed like 99% worthless (I assume a photo here or there might actually help a user once in a while).
From a business perspective, however, it makes perfect sense: minimal effort is invested, and the money from the companies whose cases are being adver... I mean reviewed... pays the bills.

Anyhoo, it would seem you are now a member of the exclusive club of people who express their opinions about the issue, but our words fall on deaf ears. Or should it be text falling on blind eyes on an Internet forum?

That club grows with each passing month, to be fair. When I started bitching about this in March Of 2018 it had far fewer members.

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[Vario]

Agreed, needs thermal testing. This case has limited airflow.

 

[IceShroom]

I read it as Montech Fryer instead of Flyer.

 

[GlacierNine]

I read it as Montech Fryer instead of Flyer.

Not wrong.

 

[DeathtoGnomes]

Thanks for the review. However, I would consider more along the lines of an unboxing, so reviewing thermals and such would be a more advanced review. Still, its good enough.

 

[NRANM]

Still, its good enough.

I beg to differ. If essential aspects of a case (one of which being critically important) are not tested, then it defeats the purpose of making said "review".
Would you consider a CPU or a graphics card review that contains no benchmarks or thermals to also be good enough? Or how about PSU reviews without any actual tests and measurements?

If you can (yourself) call a this unboxing, then it isn't a review, and if it isn't a review to begin with, then by definition it cannot be a "good enough" review.

 

[Firedrops]

IMO you guys should check out more of Tecware's cases. Here in SEA they're hella good cases for the price.

you're right, thanks for the recommendation! they're also selling this as the "m3", so probably same oem.

their cases aren't anything special, but they stick to tried and true structures with just enough visual differences in the panels to stand out. rest of the industry's really stagnating in designs, except for a few gems.

 

[PLSG08]

ou're right, thanks for the recommendation! they're also selling this as the "m3", so probably same oem.

I'm on the Alpha M right now and for $40 this is such a steal of a case. Amazing airflow and decent expansion. Included fans are great as well that I didn't need to buy fans for it. Lots of rad space as well if you ever do decided to slap in one.

 

[Darksword]

IMO you guys should check out more of Tecware's cases. Here in SEA they're hella good cases for the price.

Where can I buy them to have shipped to the U.S.?

 

[EarthDog]

Neat little case! I like how it looks!

A case review without thermals seems rather pointless...

Welcome to TPU! It's how they do!

and the money from the companies whose cases are being adver... I mean reviewed... pays the bills.

It doesnt work that way... otherwise I agree with your sentiment.

 

[DeathtoGnomes]

I beg to differ. If essential aspects of a case (one of which being critically important) are not tested, then it defeats the purpose of making said "review".
Would you consider a CPU or a graphics card review that contains no benchmarks or thermals to also be good enough? Or how about PSU reviews without any actual tests and measurements?

If you can (yourself) call a this unboxing, then it isn't a review, and if it isn't a review to begin with, then by definition it cannot be a "good enough" review.

it is good enough. I didnt call this an unboxing, I implied it was closer to being an unboxing than it is a review. You should lobby to change the name to reflect what is and what isnt in the content since you disagree with it being called a review because a few select elements you think are missing.

If you dont like the review as is, I dare you to step up and do better. Its easy to bash or complain content you get for free, its harder to be grateful. @W1zzard considers all suggestions so why not ask for "thermals" be added to reviews instead of bashing?

 

[PLSG08]

Where can I buy them to have shipped to the U.S.?

Sadly I'm not sure how you can buy them over in the US as I live in SEA you could try reaching out to their FB page and ask there

 

[GlacierNine]

it is good enough. I didnt call this an unboxing, I implied it was closer to being an unboxing than it is a review. You should lobby to change the name to reflect what is and what isnt in the content since you disagree with it being called a review because a few select elements you think are missing.

If you dont like the review as is, I dare you to step up and do better. Its easy to bash or complain content you get for free, its harder to be grateful. @W1zzard considers all suggestions so why not ask for "thermals" be added to reviews instead of bashing?

Did you not read the rest of the thread?

We've been asking for thermals for *years*. I've pinged Wizzard on a number of occasions. I've pinged Darksaber also. Not only do they not add thermals, they don't even bother to respond to explain why thermals are absent.

 

[NRANM]

It doesnt work that way... otherwise I agree with your sentiment.

Which doesn't work in what way?
When running a website there are bills to pay. Bills are paid with money. Advertisements are a source of revenue. They can be of the more obvious kind (banners & the like) or the less obvious kind (like articles or reviews that recommend various products).
Now comes the tricky part. Recommending a product can be either shilling/advertising, or it can be genuine. What determines that is if the product was actually and properly tested. When W1zzard recommends a graphics card at the end of a review, I consider that to be a genuine and honest recommendation because the review also contains data to back up his claims. When Darksaber recommends a case, there is no data to back it up. Sometimes it is actually the contrary -- he recommends cases that we know are crap. I don't know about you, but when someone recommends a product that has been proven to be terrible, I call it advertisement.

it is good enough. I didnt call this an unboxing, I implied it was closer to being an unboxing than it is a review. You should lobby to change the name to reflect what is and what isnt in the content since you disagree with it being called a review because a few select elements you think are missing.

I (and possibly others) already have suggested changing the category to "unboxing" (or something similar).
Oh, and those "few select elements" are -- as I have already stated -- very important.

If you dont like the review as is, I dare you to step up and do better. Its easy to bash or complain content you get for free, its harder to be grateful. @W1zzard considers all suggestions so why not ask for "thermals" be added to reviews instead of bashing?

First of all, "if you don't like it, do it better" is a very spurious argument. Can I use it the next time someone criticizes a company? How about Microsoft? People love to hate Microsoft. If you don't like Windows, make your own operating system.

Yes, the content is in a way free, but just like any other website that relies on some kind of advertisement and sponsorship deals, you need traffic and users. So TPU is actually dependent on us, the users.

And I would like to return your dare. Don't worry, it will require virtually no effort from you. I dare you to answer the following question with "yes" or "no": will you consider W1zzard's graphics card reviews to be "good enough" if he stopped doing benchmarks, thermals, noise and power consumption?

 

[DeathtoGnomes]

And I would like to return your dare. Don't worry, it will require virtually no effort from you. I dare you to answer the following question with "yes" or "no": will you consider W1zzard's graphics card reviews to be "good enough" if he stopped doing benchmarks, thermals, noise and power consumption?

I cant answer that, it depends on the content as a whole. I would lean to NO, but if it has what I am looking for, than yes.

Can I use it the next time

I am not your parent, use it as you see fit.

 

[Firedrops]

Where can I buy them to have shipped to the U.S.?

their "Where to Buy" page lists AliExpress, so you could try that?

 

[NRANM]

I cant answer that, it depends on the content as a whole. I would lean to NO, but if it has what I am looking for, than yes.

Well, if one is looking for a review without any benchmarks, thermals, noise and power consumption tests, then a "review" without them would be "good enough". But why would you look for a review without that information? Those tests comprise around 99% of what is important in a graphics card. By that logic, the product page on a manufacturer's website would be a "good enough review", as it contains technical specifications and photos.

The whole point of a product review on websites like TechPowerUp is to put said product to the test, to check if manufacturer's claims are accurate, to determine if a product is worth purchasing, either by itself, or compared to a different product of the same type, etc.

If the case reviews were renamed to "unboxing" or "presentation", and no rewards were no longer awarded at all, then I would be alright with it. Sure, they would still be almost worthless, but at least they wouldn't be pretending to be what they are not, misleading/lying to users in the process.

 

[DeathtoGnomes]

But why would you look for a review without that information?

because not everyone looks for the same thing in an item review. Same goes with what you view as important, i disagree, its pertinent but not important enough for someone who has knowledge of 'thermals'.

If the case reviews were renamed to "unboxing" or "presentation", and no rewards were no longer awarded at all, then I would be alright with it.

And... lets go round and round go back to what I already said.

Sure, they would still be almost worthless, but at least they wouldn't be pretending to be what they are not, misleading/lying to users in the process.

i dont see any pretending here or lying, the only thing wrong here is you complaining its not a complete review and continuing an argument over it.

 

[NRANM]

because not everyone looks for the same thing in an item review. Same goes with what you view as important, i disagree, its pertinent but not important enough for someone who has knowledge of 'thermals'.

If you don't need actual measurements or tests, then you don't need a review. I don't need Darksaber (or any other reviewer) to tell me the dimensions of the case, or how many 3.5" drive bays it has, or what and how many fan mounts it has, etc. That information is already available on the manufacturer's website, along with some photos. Why would I look for a review, if the all of the important information in it would be what is already on the manufacturer's website? The review has to provide information I don't already know.

i dont see any pretending here or lying, the only thing wrong here is you complaining its not a complete review and continuing an argument over it.

Are you being intentionally dense?

How about this review.
That case received "innovation" and "highly recommended" rewards, and yet has terrible cooling performance, which could very realistically lead to the graphics card throttling and the player losing FPS. An inexperienced user, seeing the above mentioned awards, can very easily be mislead into thinking this is a great case, purchase it, and end up having worse performance than he would have, had he purchased a decent case.

And I keep arguing because it is an important issue. TechPowerUp is respected and has a good reach, and thus, I would assume, should also have the responsibility to not lie/mislead its readers.

 

[EarthDog]

Which doesn't work in what way?
When running a website there are bills to pay. Bills are paid with money. Advertisements are a source of revenue. They can be of the more obvious kind (banners & the like) or the less obvious kind (like articles or reviews that recommend various products).

As in, a company doesn't typically pay websites for reviews. The products are given to them free for review or sometimes they are purchased and reviewed. But the vast majority of reviews from TPU and other major sites are not paid reviews. And regardless if the product is recommended or not, the site gets the same amount per hit. So I dont get what you are really saying here.

 

[NRANM]

As in, a company doesn't typically pay websites for reviews. The products are given to them free for review or sometimes they are purchased and reviewed. But the vast majority of reviews from TPU and other major sites are not paid reviews. And regardless if the product is recommended or not, the site gets the same amount per hit. So I dont get what you are really saying here.

Yes, that is what I also know: reviews are not paid. At least in general.
However, when a reviewer (highly) recommends products that perform poorly (and should actually be avoided), my only conclusion is that said reviewer has been paid to say that.