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Mozilla Looks to Supercharge the Browsing Experience With Firefox Quantum

AdiNH said:
hopefully they fix the heavy load on RAM, that's all.
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RAM is meant to be used. Why wouldn't you want your RAM to get heavy load? Do you just want it to sit around doing nothing? Your OS already swaps things in and out if something else needs it.
 
CheapMeat said:
RAM is meant to be used. Why wouldn't you want your RAM to get heavy load? Do you just want it to sit around doing nothing? Your OS already swaps things in and out if something else needs it.
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Yes RAM is meant to be used but not by the web browser ALONE. Running more than one application at once is still kind of a thing.
 
Prima.Vera said:
Respect and kudos for those guys who are releasing this browser for free.
I wonder how are they making revenue out of it?
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deu said:
"If something is free someone is getting information" :) (no joke.) Userdata created is their revenue (as is googles more or less.) Targeted ads are based of off this information. To be honest I dont know firefox's terms of use but you can bet your arm that you in some way are generating revenue for them data, clicks or whatever :)
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Firefox gets money from google for keeping it as default search engine. Perhaps Yahoo, bing, amazon, etc pay it money too as their option is present.
 
prtskg said:
Firefox gets money from google for keeping it as default search engine. Perhaps Yahoo, bing, amazon, etc pay it money too as their option is present.
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They don't see that money any more, Google cut them off a couple years ago (deal ended in 2014, I believe). They actually switched yahoo as default for a little bit that was right around the time I quit using the browser. Sounds like they switched back which is good.
 
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Sounds like Firefox is almost up to Edge standards. If it's secure this time I might give it a try.
 
TheMailMan78 said:
Sounds like Firefox is almost up to Edge standards. If it's secure this time I might give it a try.
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Just because an open source browser has more reported issues than a closed source one like edge does not mean it is less secure. Actually, it probably means it is more secure as issues are actually getting reported and fixed. Frankly, I think edge and IE are probably the least secure browser models running around.

Totally said:
They don't see that money any more, Google cut them off a couple years ago (deal ended in 2014, I believe). They actually switched yahoo as default for a little bit that was right around the time I quit using the browser. Sounds like they switched back which is good.
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It's still yahoo as of mid 2017 (last time I checked) lol.
 
Totally said:
Yes RAM is meant to be used but not by the web browser ALONE. Running more than one application at once is still kind of a thing.
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I don't see your point at all. Are you assuming one app takes complete ownership forever of said RAM or something? Are you using a modern OS?
 
CheapMeat said:
I don't see your point at all. Are you assuming one app takes complete ownership forever of said RAM or something? Are you using a modern OS?
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Claimed memory is claimed. It doesn't get paged out unless it's not in recent use and memory constraints are high. "Modern OS" has nothing to do with this.

You are probably thinking of how Windows 10/8/7 adaptively uses ram as disk cache. That's different. A process claiming ram cannot release it willy nilly if it's being claimed. Paging it out is best done by releasing it, not depending on the OS to dump it to a page file (intended as a last resort).

I mean yeah, you can close the application. But that's not multitasking at all.
 
I'm downloading it. :D
 
Firefox has always been my number one. I have donated a few bucks from time to time. It's just fits my stile of work/play. Chrome on the other hand never really "clicked" with me.
 
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CheapMeat said:
I don't see your point at all. Are you assuming one app takes complete ownership forever of said RAM or something? Are you using a modern OS?
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I think you're totally missing the whole point here and I am certain you have no idea what you're talking about.
Try running a few applications that demand a lot of RAM and see if the experience is good.
 
CheapMeat said:
RAM is meant to be used. Why wouldn't you want your RAM to get heavy load? Do you just want it to sit around doing nothing? Your OS already swaps things in and out if something else needs it.
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There is nothing wrong with using RAM, the problem is memory leaks. Both Firefox and Chrome leaks memory heavily, and it has gotten worse over the years. And it's inexcusable; crappy code quality.
 
I was having a HUGE issue with FF memory leak chewing 2+ GB and making FF crawl in less than an hour. Afaik it was mostly because of ABP add-on (possibly tickling a bug in FF). So I moved to FF nightly + uBlock, and everything has been great wrt memory usage since then. I tried browsing w/o any ad-blocker, but that was its own special hell, what a cesspool the 'net has become.
 
xorbe said:
I was having a HUGE issue with FF memory leak chewing 2+ GB and making FF crawl in less than an hour. Afaik it was mostly because of ABP add-on (possibly tickling a bug in FF). So I moved to FF nightly + uBlock, and everything has been great wrt memory usage since then. I tried browsing w/o any ad-blocker, but that was its own special hell, what a cesspool the 'net has become.
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Wth dude, I keep Firefox open 8 hours a day at work with ABP installed and it doesn't slow down at all. Check your facts better before pointing the finger.
 
bug said:
http://blog.trendmicro.com/pwn2own-2017-day-three-schedule-results/
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Ive been out of the loop so I stand corrected. With that being said this is what was said about Firefox.....a year ago I would have been dead on.

"Firefox was back at this year’s Pwn2Own after missing last year, seemingly because the browser would’ve been too easy to hack. Things have changed a little since then, though; Firefox has gained some partial sandboxing capabilities. Two hacking attempts were made against Mozilla’s browser during the contest. Only one succeeded through an integer overflow in Firefox and an uninitialized buffer in the Windows kernel to elevate system privileges.

Firefox may become a bigger target at next year’s Pwn2Own if researchers think it will make for some easy wins. However, the browser should also gain additional security features by then, so it remains to be seen if things will get as bad as it did for Edge this year."
 
bug said:
Wth dude, I keep Firefox open 8 hours a day at work with ABP installed and it doesn't slow down at all. Check your facts better before pointing the finger.
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Slow down there, cowboy -- it can vary wrt which sites are visited. And it was confirmed by FF devs (leaking ghosts). I'm sure it should be fixed by now. At the time, moving to nightly + uBlock was the quickest solution for me.

Has ABP even been ported to FF57? They have been telling everyone to move to uBlock.
 
xorbe said:
Slow down there, cowboy -- it can vary wrt which sites are visited. And it was confirmed by FF devs (leaking ghosts). I'm sure it should be fixed by now. At the time, moving to nightly + uBlock was the quickest solution for me.

Has ABP even been ported to FF57? They have been telling everyone to move to uBlock.
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Nope, ABP is still legacy (so it NoScript). Which is unfortunate, because uBlock's UI is anything but intuitive.

Also, you made it sound like there was no way to use Firefox for over an hour without having to restart. Which isn't true.
 
Hey,

I installed the new version of Firefox but when I try to open a couple of webpages it's killing my internet. It's perfectly works when I opened first page, let's call it TechPowerUp Forums and I'm trying to open second page, let's call it TechPowerUp Homepage then my internet is going down. I don't understand why it is doing like this at my home. Strange. I installed this version at work and it's working fine, but at home it isn't.

Is there anything wrong with internet connection speed? It may not too much for you but I'm using 16 Mbps internet connection and I'm expecting that Firefox's new version would work very well, at least their promises were in this direction.
 
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bug said:
Also, you made it sound like there was no way to use Firefox for over an hour without having to restart. Which isn't true.
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How the hell would you know what kind of problem I was having with FF? I was restarting FF multiple times a day on Linux due to the memory leak.
 
xorbe said:
How the hell would you know what kind of problem I was having with FF? I was restarting FF multiple times a day on Linux due to the memory leak.
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So why don't I have to do the same?
 
bug said:
So why don't I have to do the same?
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It really depends on which websites you visit. I have to restart Firefox and Chrome multiple times each week due to memory leaks, and that's without any adblocking. Most of it seems to be related to the JavaScript engines. As you probably know, it's not unusual for the JavaScript code on a web page to have leaks, but this should have been cleared up when you refresh or close the tab, right? I see all the time that Firefox have gigabytes of allocations of "nothing", and it also gets really sluggish over time. Restarting the browser and restoring the session reduces the consumption and makes it fast again.
 
efikkan said:
It really depends on which websites you visit. I have to restart Firefox and Chrome multiple times each week due to memory leaks, and that's without any adblocking. Most of it seems to be related to the JavaScript engines. As you probably know, it's not unusual for the JavaScript code on a web page to have leaks, but this should have been cleared up when you refresh or close the tab, right? I see all the time that Firefox have gigabytes of allocations of "nothing", and it also gets really sluggish over time. Restarting the browser and restoring the session reduces the consumption and makes it fast again.
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Yeah, but for some strange reason xorbe claims he has to continuously open the same pages that cause some leaks (and keep them open for the whole day). Which is somewhat wth to me.
Or maybe I'm just lucky I use NoScript?
 
bug said:
Yeah, but for some strange reason xorbe claims he has to continuously open the same pages that cause some leaks (and keep them open for the whole day). Which is somewhat wth to me.
Or maybe I'm just lucky I use NoScript?
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Don't forget bug, only those who use NoScript experience browser performance in the purest software way possible.

Nowadays whenever I use the Internet on a browser without NoScript, I have geocities-like reactions of disgust and always ask the device owner how they can possibly live that way.
 
Started using it last night. Works pretty damn fast for me. 32GB RAM on this box, so I haven't run out yet.
 
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