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MSI GS70 I7 5700HQ and GTX 970M UNDERVOLT ??? Too hot ......

nalgar

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Hello,

I have a MSI Gs70 2qe stealh pro

I d like to undervolt my cpu and my videocard because when i play it's burning (cpu 96° and videocard 88°)

I don't have dust in my fan ....

Someone can help me ???

I can only undervolt about 0.50 mv with intel xtu but the temperature don't want to be cooler ....

Thx
 
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Venturing into this is kinda warranty void hell as well as dangerous af, however I'd check around online there's a site where some dude does killer bios mods (forgot the name of it) but I did my gj551jw up with a custom bios to unlock undervolting it, and besides knocking down your max cpu multiplier with something like xtu, I think this would help with some temps. Note that if you screw this up you turn your machine into a 1500$ slab of expensive metals. More dangerous is going with a tim replacement because if you screw this up and end up even causing a small hole in what is presumably a vapor chaimber you have to wait for a replacement cooler or go to eBay if that is an option. Unfortunately laptops are pretty damn hard to work with, and results pretty often are a mixed bag.
 

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I currently have the Alienware 13 r3 OLED. Used to have the MSI GS60 2QE with the 4720hq and 970m. I upgraded RAM, SSD, and liquid metalled the cooling system on that laptop. Worked well for reducing temps into the 80s. On my Alienware I've Liquid metalled and replaced thermal pads on GDDR5 with Gelid Extreme. Works wonders for temps.
 
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Alright first you want to gain control of your laptops System Fan and set that to 100% when gaming. (not sure what app works on your rig but i bet MSI Afterburner will.)

Then you want to install Intel XTU https://downloadcenter.intel.com/download/24075/Intel-Extreme-Tuning-Utility-Intel-XTU- and undervolt offset to about .100 - .150 and hit apply. no need for relaunching the app once it is set as it automatically hold the settings even after reboot unless system crashes which then resets to defaults. you may not get stable at .100 but most do.....you may get further and stable...use the built in bench test stability and temperatures....I
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I like using RealTemp https://www.techpowerup.com/download/techpowerup-real-temp/ for monitoring CPU and GPU temperatures. I also set sound alarms with realtemp to warn me at 80 cels and that temperature was my preference.
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You may not need to undervolt the GPU if you have done the above. Normally it is the CPU heat making the GPU hot some laptops are better designed and don't but MOST do. Also in my experience once you get the CPU temps under control the GPU temps are no longer an issue.

Also a laptop cooler such as this helps a LOT!
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00J0NZYOK/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1


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Alright first you want to gain control of your laptops System Fan and set that to 100% when gaming. (not sure what app works on your rig but i bet MSI Afterburner will.)

Then you want to install Intel XTU https://downloadcenter.intel.com/download/24075/Intel-Extreme-Tuning-Utility-Intel-XTU- and undervolt offset to about .100 - .150 and hit apply. no need for relaunching the app once it is set as it automatically hold the settings even after reboot unless system crashes which then resets to defaults. you may not get stable at .100 but most do.....you may get further and stable...use the built in bench test stability and temperatures....I
View attachment 103995

I like using RealTemp https://www.techpowerup.com/download/techpowerup-real-temp/ for monitoring CPU and GPU temperatures. I also set sound alarms with realtemp to warn me at 80 cels and that temperature was my preference.
View attachment 103996

You may not need to undervolt the GPU if you have done the above. Normally it is the CPU heat making the GPU hot some laptops are better designed and don't but MOST do. Also in my experience once you get the CPU temps under control the GPU temps are no longer an issue.

Also a laptop cooler such as this helps a LOT!
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00J0NZYOK/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1


Welcome to TPU!!! :lovetpu::lovetpu::lovetpu::lovetpu:


Same thing I would have said to him

Only things I could suggest is changing the thermal interface material whether it's a compound or a pad to something better than the cheap garbage that laptop manufacturers put in them

Also with any desktop or laptop ambient temperatures have a big role in determining how cool or hot a machine runs.

If his room temperature is pretty high or warm even if he's blowing warm or hot air into that laptop it's going to run hot no matter what he does.

Any electronic you're going to want to have air conditioning for
 
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Has it always run this hot? What are your temps when idle or just browsing the Internet?

Your GPU temp is not a worry. They run hotter than CPUs.

Sadly, you didn't tell us which CPU you have. That MSI comes in different models. While your CPU temp is high, from what I can find, you still have some wiggle room as both the i7-5950HQ and i7-5700HQ processors have Tjunction ratings of 105°C. And "in theory" no harm should come if you do reach those temps as the CPU "should" throttle back in speeds (and thus heat production) if it crosses that threshold. Still, those high temps for long periods of time would not be good for the other components too.

I agree with eidairaman1 and ambient (room) temps can be a factor here.

I generally am not a fan of changing the TIM (thermal interface material) unless the cured bond is broken and you have decent experience in this task. You typically don't get more than 5 - 6° improvement, if that. And not sure I would be happy with 90 - 91°C (from the reported 96°C) either. The problem with replacing the TIM is the CPU itself can easily be damaged through mishandling and/or ESD. Or the socket can be damaged too. :(

Cleaning the fan of heat trapping dust is certainly important but dust can collect inside the notebook too. It may just need a professional cleaning where the notebook is nearly disassembled for a complete exposure of the innards for a thorough cleaning. At the very least, remove all covers and access panels, remove all removable items from the various bays and blast out the dust as much as possible.

The use of a notebook cooling pad can make a big difference, depending on the design of the pad, and the notebook. And that TT showed above seems to be a nice. HOWEVER, when the notebook is already suffering heat issues, it is counterproductive to tax the power circuits even more to power the pads fans. So I highly recommend powering the cooling pad from a USB wall-charger/adapter
 
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It's a laptop - if those temperatures are when under heavy load, it's absolutely fine. Just avoid putting it on fabric surfaces like quilts or carpets.
 
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Wrong poster RCoon. The OP (nalgar) has an MSI. Still, your point is the same.
 
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That is one of the issues with store bought laptops .... Often a model is created and goes thru testing ... and then later at some point, a decision is made to re-use the chassis with later released higher CPUs / GPUs. That is why I always recommend purchasing a custom built laptop (Clevo) made to your speidications. In this instances you can also spec a TIM ugrade. We run AutoCAD as our main app which hits resources pretty hard, as do games in our off hours; never had a heat issue and the best part is, they don't cost any more than the sore bought ones. We create temperature baseline by running RoG Real Bench (CPU) and Furmark (GPU) when a machine arrives and check it every 6 months or so. When we see a change we take apart and clean, blowing dust out of the heat sinks from the inside out... it's pretty discussing what we've found ... hair (human and pet), dander, cookie crumbs and unindentifiables.

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Well that covers next time ... but for the current issue, Id start with MSI ... get them to troubleshoot the problem, perhaps they can guide you along or maybe will tell ya to send in so they can check. Assuming that doesn't bring results:

a) It's highly unlikely you will see anything but a light coating of gust on ya fans ... where that hair, fuzz and other ugly stuff winds up is at the entry the heat sink fins. BTW, when ya clean those fans w/ compressed air, make sure to keep the fan from spinning while doing so. They can "overspin" and fail.
b) best to pick out the stringy stuff (i.e,.hair) with fingers or plastic tweezer ... can use metal if ya careful or in a pinch but f you are gonna clean ya PC and lappie, it's worth having one in ya toolkit. Then blow the smaller stuff thru the HS. An old toothbrush, moistened with electronics spay cleaner or isoprophyl alcohol with get any stubborn stuff lose.
c) Laptop cover screws are usually held in with blue Loctite ... good idea to be prepared and reapply in case you have to ever send back for warranty service.
d) While 'in there" ya may want remove, clean contacts and replace RAM and storage components.
e) As far as CPU and GPU, this can often involve substantial disassembly, so don't jump in unless you are prepared for it, and yes, it's quite easy to damage the CPU or socket. We recommend IC Diamond or Shin Etsu G751 for lappies ... AS5 not recommended because of the capacitance issues noted on their web site. Risk may be small but ShinEtsu has same thermal properties, is cheaper and has 0 risk.

As far as cooling pads....

a) Not exactly convenient away from your desk.
b) Requires buying something like this ... do NOT plug into lappie's USB port
https://www.cyberpowersystems.com/product/accessories/cph720p/
c) Most of them don't do squat ,,, likelihood being if it's cheap it steenks.
d) Best results obtained using both a pad and a plug in fan cooler module whch sucks air out thru back o0f heat sinks. best performance I have seen, where it actually made a performance difference was with the Thermaltake Massive and one of the suckie things, can't remember the brand .. Opolar LC-06 perhaps. In the test, the combo not only dropped temps but also had a significant performance impact,
 
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That is one of the issues with store bought laptops .... Often a model is created and goes thru testing ... and then later at some point, a decision is made to re-use the chassis with later released higher CPUs / GPUs. That is why I always recommend purchasing a custom built laptop (Clevo) made to your speidications.
That's really the same difference. In spite of what the Clevo marketing weenies want us to believe, their laptops are not really custom built in the same way a home builder can really custom build a PC.

Yeah, it is not the same as buying a Dell off the Best Buy shelf, but you can select various options if you buy a Dell directly from Dell too.

Clevo laptops are not really custom built. You can only chose from a very limited list of options. You still cannot, for a primary example, buy a Fractal Design case for your Clevo. You can chose how much RAM but you cannot chose Crucial RAM, or even faster RAM instead of their limited offerings of their house brand of RAM. Or if you want a Seagate HD instead of a WD, you are out of luck.

You can only put in your Clevo laptop the options Clevo offers.

That's not faulting Clevo. It is faulting the fact there is no industry standard for notebooks like the ATX Form Factor standard for PCs.

And I note, there are similar restriction for factory made PCs too. If Dell or HP don't offer Intel SSDs for example, you're not getting one in their "custom" factory built PC.

If there was an ATX Form Factor like standard for notebooks, there would be a true notebook parts industry and retailers (like NewEgg) and you could build a notebook with a Fractal design case, ASUS motherboard, Samsung SSD, Kingston RAM and Samsung monitor, then change your mind and put in a Gigabyte motherboard, Intel SSD, Corsair RAM and LG monitor, then change your mind again and put them all in a TT case.
 
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