MSI Says not all Radeon RX 5600 XT GPUs Can Hit 14 Gbps Memory Speed

[Xuper]

AMD shakes things up after the cards have already been boxed and shipped but of course AIBs are the problem, sure, lmao.

Well , This Launch is certainly absurd.

 

[cucker tarlson]

AMD shakes things up after the cards have already been boxed and shipped but of course AIBs are the problem, sure, lmao.

look at the names who's complaining about the aibs
no surpise

 

[Nihilus]

Love how people are blaming MSI as they are just the whistleblowers on this. All the manufacures needed to have even some of their lower end cards to use the new bios so that they could be competitive. AMD screwed the pooch on this and the 3rd party vendors are missed that they set them up for failure.

Sure, some if the higher end models came with 14 gb/s memory, but those were designed with even higher overclocks in mind.

As someone else alluded to, Nvidia could have just pushed a 16gb/s memory bios on 2070s and 2080 cards which would have really put the hurt on the 5700xt making their higher end stack look better. It would have probably worked 95% of the time, but again, it would have screwed over the vendors in the event that it did not.

 

[Xuper]

Love how people are blaming MSI as they are just the whistleblowers on this. All the manufacures needed to have even some of their lower end cards to use the new bios so that they could be competitive. AMD screwed the pooch on this and the 3rd party vendors are missed that they set them up for failure.

Sure, some if the higher end models came with 14 gb/s memory, but those were designed with even higher overclocks in mind.

As someone else alluded to, Nvidia could have just pushed a 16gb/s memory bios on 2070s and 2080 cards which would have really put the hurt on the 5700xt making their higher end stack look better. It would have probably worked 95% of the time, but again, it would have screwed over the vendors in the event that it did not.

I'm sure AMD contacted AIB and told them We can't reduce price.so Let's do Flash Bios.I think AIB had no problem.But important note : This launch proved that AMD had no Plan B when Nvidia dropped Price by $50.

 

[moproblems99]

I'm sure AMD contacted AIB and told them We can't reduce price.so Let's do Flash Bios.I think AIB had no problem.

I bet AMD didn't. This is an msi problem if the cards were specced for 14gbps. This is anN AMD problem if the cards were specced for 12gbps.

 

[Tatty_Two]

This sounds more like MSI cutting corners and using lower-quality/lower-spec memory modules instead.

And Asus by the looks of it, only one of 4 models does 14, that at least suggests there will be more board partners in a similar position.

 

[jabbadap]

I bet AMD didn't. This is an msi problem if the cards were specced for 14gbps. This is anN AMD problem if the cards were specced for 12gbps.

Yeah the card was originally specced for 12Gbps(And actually still is by AMD), that it uses 14Gbps memory in the first place might come from gddr6 manufacturers. I.E. I don't think there's a single one gtx1650 Super with the card specified 12Gbps memory all tested 1650S:s I've seen are with the 14Gbps microns clocked down as 12Gbps.

Edit: damn I'm too tired...

 

[moproblems99]

And Asus by the looks of it, only one of 4 models does 14, that at least suggests there will be more board partners in a similar position.

Isn't exactly cutting corners if the manufacturer used what was specced. I think this is RTG doing something stupid again.

 

[Tatty_Two]

Isn't exactly cutting corners if the manufacturer used what was specced. I think this is RTG doing something stupid again.

Well I don't see it as cutting corners either, but this way Board partners, if they choose to offer 2 different specs have the ability to both charge MSRP and a premium for additional offerings a bonus for them if the memory they are getting is possibly the same but they have to physically test them for the 14 offerings. Some might say it's more choice.

 

[moproblems99]

Well I don't see it as cutting corners either, but this way Board partners, if they choose to offer 2 different specs have the ability to both charge MSRP and a premium for additional offerings a bonus for them if the memory they are getting is possibly the same but they have to physically test them for the 14 offerings. Some might say it's more choice.

I think their concerns are the cards that have already shipped. People that try to flash that new bios and have a disappointing experience aren't going to be that happy with the aib. Plus, the aibs are going to potentially see a bunch of rmas/returns.

 

[Nihilus]

Does anyone know the price difference of 12 gb/s and 14 gb/s?

I almost think these board partners could build 12 gb/s 5700 cards for cheaper than a 14 gb/s 5600xt judging by some of these high 5600xt prices. The former would be faster with more vram.

 

[londiste]

The former would be faster with more vram.

Except in scenarios where 6GB is not enough, 8GB is not faster. With exact same shader configuration and memory speeds it would run at the same speed. AMD's official specs of 1375/1560MHz are far lower than what RX5700 has. Similarly to RX5700, RX5600XT was planned (or is) limited in terms of overclocking to prevent it from eating at RX5700XT's market share.

 

[Kohl Baas]

This thread will be already on the 3rd page of complaints about how scumbag Nvidia is.

Which would be perfectly reasonable and representative since they have that much bigger buyer/user base to mess with.

 

[Vya Domus]

There's something strange about this, MSI, Sapphire, Gigabyte, etc can't just slap whatever memory modules they want on their cards. They have to be approved by AMD because the memory controllers are made specifically for certain specifications.

AMD knows exactly what memory is supposed to be shipped with these cards, therefor they should know if this would work or not. I'd imagine they must have issued this BIOS change on a strong basis of knowing what the hardware can do so the question is did the manufactures fail to meet AMD's spec or did AMD fail to properly validate what memory chips they can use.

 

[londiste]

GDDR6 is standard stuff, memory controller really does not need to know very specifically which chips are installed as long as they can run at configured speed. Using faster modules and running them at lower clock actually seems to happen fairly often, especially at the later stages of memory or architecture life cycle (usually because manufacturers have a good stock of faster memory and/or it might be cheaper at that point).

In case of RX5600 XT, AMD's own specs say 12GBps - @jabbadap linked above to AMD specs page: https://www.amd.com/en/products/specifications/graphics
Anandtech has details about the last-minute BIOS changes: https://www.anandtech.com/show/15422/the-amd-radeon-rx-5600-xt-review/2

Basically the official line is that original specs (1375/1560MHz and 12GBps GDDR6) are correct and newer faster BIOSes are OC models.

 

[Space Lynx]

i see rx 5700 go on sale for 299 all the time... the fact you would spend 20 dollars less for this downgrade is stupid anyway. its a stupid card launch and that is all there is to it.

 

[Nihilus]

Except in scenarios where 6GB is not enough, 8GB is not faster. With exact same shader configuration and memory speeds it would run at the same speed. AMD's official specs of 1375/1560MHz are far lower than what RX5700 has. Similarly to RX5700, RX5600XT was planned (or is) limited in terms of overclocking to prevent it from eating at RX5700XT's market share.

It would be 256 bit at 12 gb/s instead of 192 bit at 14 gb/s, so it would be faster

 

[GoldenX]

Both Navi and Turing were the worst releases we had in years.
AMD is selling cards at high prices, cards which don't innovate in anything and which only merit is finally reaching a level similar to its competition. Plus rushed shit like this.
And NVIDIA is selling a badly implemented early trick at high prices and oversaturating the market with pointless models.

 

[Jism]

Isn't exactly cutting corners if the manufacturer used what was specced. I think this is RTG doing something stupid again.

Nah. If the card would match AMD's recommendation(s), then that BIOS update woud'nt cause issues in the first place. It's only MSI is'nt it?

 

[londiste]

It would be 256 bit at 12 gb/s instead of 192 bit at 14 gb/s, so it would be faster

Good point, you are right.

Nah. If the card would match AMD's recommendation(s), then that BIOS update woud'nt cause issues in the first place. It's only MSI is'nt it?

This story we are commenting on says MSI and ASUS so far.
What exactly are AMD recommendations? Cards have spec and RX5600 XT spec clearly says 12Gbps.

 

[Deleted member 50521]

If end user does not flash then they won’t get the reviewer promised “updated” performance

If end user update BIOS they may damage their cards due to pushing GDDR6 out of spec

And AIB partnets get all the blame when either one of the above happens

What a scumbag move. Get your shit together RTG. This is getting worse and worse

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Good point, you are right.
This story we are commenting on says MSI and ASUS so far.
What exactly are AMD recommendations? Cards have spec and RX5600 XT spec clearly says 12Gbps.

This is the question, so far I haven't even seen AMD comment on the whole bios update thing, it's all been through leaks and rumours.
Which could have been a little off perhaps.
I find it hard to see how any of this would not have been foreseen by anyone involved.

 

[Jism]

Good point, you are right.
This story we are commenting on says MSI and ASUS so far.
What exactly are AMD recommendations? Cards have spec and RX5600 XT spec clearly says 12Gbps.

Lets say amd gives a basic design of a proper PCB for a 5600XT, or even 5700XT that is. They might give recommendations on certain type of GDDR6 modules. It's up to the manufactor to decide wether do or not install those modules. If you put cheaper ones on it's pretty confidenent that they might not match the clocks/voltage setting that came with the new bios.

There are alot of cards that pass that validation on higher clocks. They proberly stick to what AMD recommended.

 

[londiste]

This is the question, so far I haven't even seen AMD comment on the whole bios update thing, it's all been through leaks and rumours.
Which could have been a little off perhaps.
I find it hard to see how any of this would not have been foreseen by anyone involved.

Lets say amd gives a basic design of a proper PCB for a 5600XT, or even 5700XT that is. They might give recommendations on certain type of GDDR6 modules. It's up to the manufactor to decide wether do or not install those modules. If you put cheaper ones on it's pretty confidenent that they might not match the clocks/voltage setting that came with the new bios.

There are alot of cards that pass that validation on higher clocks. They proberly stick to what AMD recommended.

Cmon. Cards are not built on recommendations. Cards are built to specifications. Check the AMD 5600XT release slides, check the AMD specs page for 5600XT and read what Anandtech review writes on topic.

In case of RX5600 XT, AMD's own specs say 12GBps - @jabbadap linked above to AMD specs page: https://www.amd.com/en/products/specifications/graphics
Anandtech has details about the last-minute BIOS changes: https://www.anandtech.com/show/15422/the-amd-radeon-rx-5600-xt-review/2

Basically the official line is that original specs (1375/1560MHz and 12GBps GDDR6) are correct and newer faster BIOSes are OC models.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

If end user does not flash then they won’t get the reviewer promised “updated” performance

If end user update BIOS they may damage their cards due to pushing GDDR6 out of spec

And AIB partnets get all the blame when either one of the above happens

What a scumbag move. Get your shit together RTG. This is getting worse and worse

These cards are priced between 250-380£ uk pounds.

There's got to be some differences in that, but I agree it's all been brought out in a turd way, could be leak's putting such a bad light on it but it should have been handled before the rumours.