My pc is electrocuting me/giving asus anti-surge alert randomly

[Ferrum Master]

TAKE IT AS AN ASSAULT IF YOU LIKE I DON'T CARE
you do not know what your on about
the Science and physics are the same anywhere in this time space Dimension but not in the one where your brain is
Feed voltage and Current to earth and it dissapates NOT BUILDS UP

I also recommended connecting to an earth Stake As well

Are you drunk or what? Can't you read and understand that those pipes are not grounded everyhere?

 

[dorsetknob]

Sorry but your the one who cannot read and comprehend
what don't you understand about" also connecting to an earth stake" and no i am not "Drunk or what "

 

[Bill_Bright]

In all post soviet union countries central heating water pipes in older houses are not usually grounded...

Before you get yourself tied up in a hissy fit and accuse others of being illiterate, no one EVER suggested using "central heating" pipes!

The suggestion, in each case, has been to use the incoming main "cold water" pipes. Not hot water and not heating pipes.

 

[dorsetknob]

Thank you Bill a voice of Reason in this thread which is in serious danger of derailing and killing the OP

 

[Eliomiller]

Well I'm feeling lost btw all those debates.as someone stated above electricians here are corrupted.that usually means harm more than good. I asked one here what's a ground plug he said that It can't be made in lebanon because it's built in the electric central lmao.he suggested then buying my 5k pc for 400$!!!!!it makes me angry really...by the way I came here to ask you if this http://www.amazon.fr/gp/aw/d/B0059D...etailBullets_secondary_view_div_1459692277686 would do the job as my new ups.my water pipes as I checked aren't conductive. Some type of old metals used I guess.so my viable option is to make a diy 3 prong outlet.if possible give me some technical details about grounding rod placement.how far from the build/will a 2 meters 3/4 inch copper rod be effective for 1 single outlet.anything else to know?probably gonna protect it using fuses ect... as my uncle who lives here too have some electrical knowledge.also it's frequent here that the power goes out for hours each day.so we have 2 backup generators.is there's anything in that case to be added cz I've heard of engine grounding ect but didn't understand a sh*&.thanks

 

[Ferrum Master]

Before you get yourself tied up in a hissy fit and accuse others of being illiterate, no one EVER suggested using "central heating" pipes!

The suggestion, in each case, has been to use the incoming main "cold water" pipes. Not hot water and not heating pipes.

Unfortunetally the case remains the same. None of those are grounded. There are no grounding rods besides the houses nor the electricity box has a grounding line coming like in US you do. Only after stepping in EU, new houses and projects use proper safety regulations and everything is fine.

For older type houses problem will remain and such mods to the pipes are not recommended the outcome may be unpredictable and cause damage.

 

[CAPSLOCKSTUCK]

Try this forum
http://www.ultimatehandyman.co.uk/forum1/electric-forum-uk-f3.html

...or listen to someone who can demonstrate/prove electrical competence. (not me, or a few others by the look of it)


And some words of caution
http://ecmweb.com/design/10-worst-grounding-mistakes-youll-ever-make

 

[Bill_Bright]

Unfortunetally the case remains the same. None of those are grounded.

Sorry, but you don't know what you are talking about. Copper cold water pipes (those used for drinking, cooking and bathing) are buried deep underground, below any potential permafrost levels. As such, these pipes act exactly like grounding rods. And as long as you bond to that pipe at the entry point BEFORE any valve or junctions, you are just fine.

Note pipes used for central heating create closed loops and recirculate water that contains anti-freeze and anti-corrosives. OF COURSE those would not be suitable for establishing a Earth ground!

As far as the houses not having any ground line, sorry, but I don't believe it. The service panel will be grounded. And the drop will be grounded at the pole too. They may be buried so you don't see it, but they are there. Otherwise, there would be lots of crispy-crittered Latvians out there!

For older type houses problem will remain and such mods to the pipes are not recommended the outcome may be unpredictable and cause damage.

And again, this is exactly why it essential to bond to the pipe BEFORE any valve or junctions - that is, where the cold water enters the home.

Is this ideal? Of course not. NO ONE said it was! Ideally, you get a qualified electrician in to do it right.

 

[Ferrum Master]

Try this forum
http://www.ultimatehandyman.co.uk/forum1/electric-forum-uk-f3.html

...or listen to someone who can demonstrate/prove electrical competence. (not me, or a few others by the look of it)

I guess you still don't understand that he doesn't live in UK.

As far as the houses not having any ground line, sorry, but I don't believe it. The service panel will be grounded. And the drop will be grounded at the pole too. They may be buried so you don't see it, but they are there. Otherwise, there would be lots of crispy-crittered Latvians out there!

There were no devices using ground in the old times... the outlets only had two pins, neutral and phase, search up the outlet types. Seconds regarding the pipes... Have you seen ones going above the ground in between the houses? Also in cities they are not buried enough and use underground tunnel systems from ancient times the pipes are usually isolated. The pipes need to bonded with grounding and the electricity panel the basement usually of each house to use them in the first place, no one did that here. Also there is no permafrost in Lebanon also. They are not very deep I suppose. He will dump AC in to the pipes to electrocute other people in the shower. Nice recommendation mates.

I guess you cannot accept the fact how messed up things could really be in other countries. Especially developing ones.

 

[OneMoar]

omg the idiocy in this thread is astounding,if you don't understand what you are talking about you should shut the fk up

the getto-fix is this
get your self a 8 foot long steel rod and drive it nearly all the way into the ground (yes it needs to be 8FT)
run a wire (doesn't matter what kind so long as its solid wire) to the ground line on your box
DONE

and if his water source is metal-to-metal line (no plastic please) throughout then yes connecting it to the pipes will work many older houses used to do this .. hell I even grounded a computer directly to copper pipe to fix the exact problem that the op is having after my basement flooded and destroyed all the grounds in the outlets

and you wonder why I take issue with you people , you run your mouths and you DO NOT KNOW. you think you do

 

[CAPSLOCKSTUCK]

I guess you still don't understand that he doesn't live in UK.

Of course i understand perfectly, i read the thread. UK has very high standards and good informative websites unlike the OP's homeland.

I would always err on the side of caution.

 

[dorsetknob]

I guess you still don't understand that he doesn't live in UK.

we understand where he is
you do not understand that the same Science and physics is the same in Latvia Lebanon or the UK in fact anywhere on planet earth

 

[Ferrum Master]

OP's homeland.

The OP's homeland needs such informative sites as last priority if you look up in the history.

omg the idiocy in this thread is astounding,if you don't understand what you are talking about you should shut the fk up

the getto-fix is this
get your self a 8 foot long steel rod and drive it nearly all the way into the ground (yes it needs to be 8FT)
run a wire (doesn't matter what kind so long as its solid wire) to the ground line on your box
DONE

Agree. Just one note... you must push the rod around half meter from the house... and not into some gas or water pipe beneath... they actually had to keep distance from them.

 

[OneMoar]

The OP's homeland needs such informative sites as last priority if you look up in the history.



Agree. Just one note... you must push the rod around half meter from the house... and not into some gas or water pipe beneath... they actually had to keep distance from them.

he can also ground the machine directly to a metal waterline,while the waterline will not be sufficient to ground a entire electrical system it should be sufficient for the computer
I have personally done that it will work

 

[CAPSLOCKSTUCK]

The OP's homeland needs such informative sites as last priority if you look up in the history.

Which is why i pointed to a UK site....

 

[OneMoar]

if he was getting enough leakage for the waterline to be insufficient he would be dead.dissipation is the trick here hell a 4 foot outdoor ground-rod connected to the case or ground Pin on the psu would do it
but its not gonna fix the issues with his electrical system, which is a safety hazard

 

[Bill_Bright]

I guess you cannot accept the fact how messed up things could really be in other countries. Especially developing ones.

Of course I do. I've lived in 4 different countries and spent extended periods of time in several others. And each country is different (often different from region to region within the same country!). I do not assume the way it is here is the way it is everywhere. But you should not making the same assumption base on where you live either.

But regardless the same Laws of Physics applies everywhere. And since electricity is electricity, regardless where you live, the fundamentals of creating an Earth ground are the same everywhere. That means facilities - including homes, apartments, and office buildings all must be grounded to Earth. And that is done, at the very least, through the service panel to Earth ground. Now whether that Earth ground extends out to each wall outlet is another story.

 

[Mussels]

Ok, everyone be nice.

This is a technology oriented forum, NOT an electrician oriented forum.
Electical standards and legalities really do vary by country, so advice that is perfectly correct for one user, could be totally lethal in another country.

Whatever you choose to do, think it through and get local expert advice if you can. Buy an electrician a slab of beer, and you'd be surprised what they might do for you off-duty.

 

[CAPSLOCKSTUCK]

This is a technology oriented forum, NOT an electrician oriented forum.

i,ve never quoted myself before

Try this forum
http://www.ultimatehandyman.co.uk/forum1/electric-forum-uk-f3.html

...or listen to someone who can demonstrate/prove electrical competence. (not me, or a few others by the look of it)


And some words of caution
http://ecmweb.com/design/10-worst-grounding-mistakes-youll-ever-make

 

[OneMoar]

there is also a issue with backfeeding where if you,do as suggested and directly ground the pc case or psu ground pin
then if you connect something else to that same circuit that also needs a ground it could backfeed through the computer and fry it (so do keep that in mind)
tl:dr hire a electrician you paid for a a 4.000USD system you can afford to have somebody come fix your wiring before your house burns down or somebody gets killed

 

[alucasa]

Just so you know ...

OP is probably dead by now.

j/k

 

[Mussels]

Just so you know ...

OP is probably dead by now.

j/k

that was shockingly bad.

 

[Eliomiller]

Still alive man sorry.anyway it's been like that for a while now.what I'm actually gonna do and I believe it's the best thing to do is to plant a 8ft ground rod in my backyard and send this thing 10 meters to my new without anything blocking btw them. Then I'll send a hot wire from the main and a neutral.those last 2 are already available and crisp clean.of course I'll put an overvoltage protection.then I'll put the ups on this outlet and plug everything nicely.is it okay?by the way it costed me 5.5k to import them from usa due to f#cking rippers at the port but he'll that's 1.5k less than what I'd pay here..here we don't have good electricity/water/or even faster Internet. It's 100$ for limited 50gb 2mbps and 3g is like 13$ per 500mb so you guessed it .

 

[dorsetknob]

Congratulations you have managed to read thru the trolling Crap posts and come to the Right conclusion with the right action plan

 

[CAPSLOCKSTUCK]

8ft ground rod

Good luck digging the hole..........4 ft is standard in the UK... and remember to allow a good 2 foot cover over the cable.

http://www.rselectricalsupplies.co.uk/4ft-copper-earthrod_571?gclid=CNCN5f748ssCFbQV0wodusYIeg