My ThrottleStop settings / i7 9750H

[BloodyJin]

Hello everyone
First of all excuse any mistakes I made since English Is not my first language
bare with me a little bit am new to all this undervaluing things, I read enough and got my settings one by one just to figure the least temps I could get especially when gaming, I would like your input about my settings, Cinebench too

before using Throttlestop It was jumping between 80-89C while my windows Is Idle and the fans follow of course with the noise until I start using my laptop opening a file or something It goes back down, after using ThrottleStop It became 70C-72C but
and while gaming I always hit the 97C-98C mark with it falling in some games to 95-96 for a split second
also during my TS Bench only the CORE Throttle and Ring EDP OTHER Red indicator shows
Unfoutanely I don't understand reading HWiNFO yet and voltage settings, I use my laptop without a battery and totally as Desktop with external monitor/speakrs/microphone/headphones/mouse & keyborad/Camera, I don't know will that affect the power management with my laptop


The highest CINEBENCH score was 4600 esh after undervolting, but touching the Cache Ratio made my PC crash more than once after using ThrottleStop and now the latest score was 4322

My specs:
CPU Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-9750H CPU @ 2.60GHz
M/B: OMEN by HP Laptop 15-dc1xxx
GPU: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 with Max-Q Design
RAM: 32GB 2666Mhz
SSD: 512GB SSD
HDD: 1TB
Monitor: LG G27GL83A-B 2K, 15.6 FHD 144Hz

My questions are how does the results and my settings so far, Is there something more to do to get lower temps while gaming? Keep in my mind I clean my laptop regularly and the fans but never had a new thermal paste other than the stock since I bought it in 2020

 

[unclewebb]

Set IccMax to the max, 255.75, for both the core and the cache.

Check the MMIO Lock box in the TPL window.

If you want your CPU to slow down when it is lightly loaded, use the Windows Balanced power plan. If you want your CPU to run at maximum speed when lightly loaded, use the Windows High Performance power plan. You do not need to check the Speed Shift EPP box on the main ThrottleStop screen. If you do want to check Speed Shift EPP then I would decrease EPP from 128 to 84. Click on the EPP number and you can edit EPP in ThrottleStop. It is usually better to just let Windows handle the Speed Shift EPP setting.

Have you tried using different voltages? The core and cache offset voltages do not need to be set equal to each other. Try increasing the core offset to -175 mV to -200 mV. Set the cache offset to -120 mV. If your computer is not stable during games, add +5 mV to the cache offset. Try -115 mV or -110 mV. The cache offset is the most important setting for stability when undervolting the 9750H.

Do some more Cinebench testing. Using different voltages can improve your temperatures or it will improve your Cinebench scores if you are power limit throttling.

Intel mobile CPUs run hot when playing games. Your temperatures are high but they are normal for Intel CPUs. Any temperature less than 100°C is still a safe operating temperature.

Turn on the Log File option on the main ThrottleStop screen. Play a game for at least 15 minutes. When finished testing, you will have a record of your CPU performance and temperatures. The log file will be in your ThrottleStop / Logs folder. You can attach a log file to your next post if you would like me to have a look at it.

 

[BloodyJin]

Set IccMax to the max, 255.75, for both the core and the cache.

Check the MMIO Lock box in the TPL window.

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If you want your CPU to slow down when it is lightly loaded, use the Windows Balanced power plan. If you want your CPU to run at maximum speed when lightly loaded, use the Windows High Performance power plan. You do not need to check the Speed Shift EPP box on the main ThrottleStop screen. If you do want to check Speed Shift EPP then I would decrease EPP from 128 to 84. Click on the EPP number and you can edit EPP in ThrottleStop. It is usually better to just let Windows handle the Speed Shift EPP setting.

Have you tried using different voltages? The core and cache offset voltages do not need to be set equal to each other. Try increasing the core offset to -175 mV to -200 mV. Set the cache offset to -120 mV. If your computer is not stable during games, add +5 mV to the cache offset. Try -115 mV or -110 mV. The cache offset is the most important setting for stability when undervolting the 9750H.

Do some more Cinebench testing. Using different voltages can improve your temperatures or it will improve your Cinebench scores if you are power limit throttling.

Intel mobile CPUs run hot when playing games. Your temperatures are high but they are normal for Intel CPUs. Any temperature less than 100°C is still a safe operating temperature.

Turn on the Log File option on the main ThrottleStop screen. Play a game for at least 15 minutes. When finished testing, you will have a record of your CPU performance and temperatures. The log file will be in your ThrottleStop / Logs folder. You can attach a log file to your next post if you would like me to have a look at it.

I did the settings as you recomanded, I'll attach the results and my log file for testing a game, I included the voltage charts from HWiNFO even though I couldn't read them, I hope they can be of help

Core offset: 175
Cache offset: 120
No Crashes
Cinebench Score 4988

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Core offset: 200
Cache offset: 120
No Crashes:
Cinebench Score: 5039 (Highest I've seen in all my tests before throttlestop too)

I set the Cache offset at 110 per your advice and got a score of 5030 which is very close to the second one

I would like also to keep In my mind that I used to turn on ECO mode from my omen hub before throttlestop, when am not gaming, It reduces the temps and heat greatly, only when Idle or doing light work aside from that the temps go back to normal, some times my cpu out of nowhere gets a sudden push to 90C mark for a couple of seconds without any whatsoever app or task opened In the back, after using throttlestop or ECO mode It stopped happening

Also I would like to ask would my eco mode affect my throttlestop settings causing crashes or would it even make it better, I didn't use both of them at the same time yet

 

[unclewebb]

The 9750H has a 45W TDP rating. That means the heatsink should be able to dissipate 45W of heat. Your cooling system is not able to do that when power consumption is just over half of 45W. You have a cooling problem.

but never had a new thermal paste other than the stock since I bought it in 2020

Your temperatures are terrible so maybe now is the time to try replacing the thermal paste. If you can find a way to improve cooling, your CPU will be able to run a lot faster. Your screenshot above shows the CPU running 1100 to 1200 MHz slower than it should be running because it is too hot. That is a lot of lost performance.

If an offset undervolt of -120 mV is 100% game stable then you do not need to increase this to -115 mV or -110 mV. You only need to add more voltage if you are not 100% stable.

I would like to ask would my eco mode affect my ThrottleStop settings

It is very likely that your Omen CPU control software will interfere with your ThrottleStop settings. I do not have an Omen laptop so there is no way for me to test what the various Omen power plans do. The main problem is inadequate cooling. Fix that problem first.

I am not sure what the best thermal paste is this week. Some users have had good success recently with genuine Honeywell PTM 7950.

 

[BloodyJin]

Okay I will search for it and get it, and then later do the tests again If you have the time to look at them, you said genuine Honeywell PTM 7950, WHY? Is there fake ones?
meanwhile I had 2 windows crashes and restarting today after playing FIFA23 for more than an hour twice with the same ThrottleStop settings as the last one I mentioned
Is there a relation or it all comes back now to the thermal paste first then I can use ThrottleStop?

 

[unclewebb]

If your CPU is constantly running at max temperature and thermal throttling, it might not be 100% stable.

What voltages were you using?

WHY? Is there fake ones?

There is fake everything. Thermal paste of all kinds is easy to fake. Watch the video for more info.

 

[BloodyJin]

Man hopefully I could fix it in time the temps have been like that for over months

the same voltages I did the last test with
Core offset: 200
Cache offset: 110
same settings in the photo
I want to ask when you say Voltages, which one because there are two Voltage and Offset Voltage, same with Cache, I never touched the first Voltage only the one you said

 

[A&P211]

Man hopefully I could fix it in time the temps have been like that for over months

the same voltages I did the last test with
Core offset: 200
Cache offset: 110
same settings in the photo
I want to ask when you say Voltages, which one because there are two Voltage and Offset Voltage, same with Cache, I never touched the first Voltage only the one you said
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Is your processor really running at only 35w?

 

[BloodyJin]

Yes, hopefully after changing the thermal paste it will go back to normal
I am using the laptop with no battery almost two years now fyi

 

[A&P211]

Yes, hopefully after changing the thermal paste it will go back to normal
I am using the laptop with no battery almost two years now fyi

Either HP put really crappy cooling on the laptop or the heatsink is very dirty, dry thermal paste.
The processor should be running at min 45w, higher with better cooling but I dought HP will do good cooling.

 

[dnm_TX]

The processor should be running at min 45w

Without battery,most of the new(ish) laptops will be capped to a lower wattage.OP needs to add the battery back for sure+repasting and cleaning.

 

[A&P211]

Without battery,most of the new(ish) laptops will be capped to a lower wattage.OP needs to add the battery back for sure+repasting and cleaning.

Without battery, the laptop wouldnt even turn on yet alone run at less than 45w.

 

[BloodyJin]

am lost here you guys, with the many posts I read through the internet, mostly everyone said there is no problem using the laptop without a battery plugged in all the time just like a desktop, and with my heavy gaming sessions, my battery got defected so I had to do that, are you guys saying that I have to put the battery back in to run at 45w again while It is plugged in too at the same time It doesn't make sense to me unless the manufacture capped that as dnm_TX said
what am gonna do is this
change the thermal paste
clean the laptop again especially the heatsink
stress test it again after that without and with throttlestop settings
If It all comes back to the wattage being capped again I will add the battery back in

 

[unclewebb]

there is no problem using the laptop without a battery plugged in all the time just like a desktop

Many laptops can run at full speed without needing to have a battery installed. It depends on the laptop model.

Without battery, most of the new(ish) laptops will be capped to a lower wattage.

His processor was only running at 35W because it was thermal throttling. It was not power limit throttling.

@BloodyJin
The main problem that needs to be fixed is inadequate cooling. Either the heatsink and fan are full of dust or the thermal paste needs to be replaced. Fix the thermal throttling problem and the power the CPU can use will increase.

 

[BloodyJin]

Thank you for assuring me of the problem and the solution, you're a life savior, I'll be sure to upload my tests again after repasting and If you had the time your could give me your input in them, thank you again very much

Many laptops can run at full speed without needing to have a battery installed. It depends on the laptop model.


His processor was only running at 35W because it was thermal throttling. It was not power limit throttling.

@BloodyJin
The main problem that needs to be fixed is inadequate cooling. Either the heatsink and fan are full of dust or the thermal paste needs to be replaced. Fix the thermal throttling problem and the power the CPU can use will increase.

 

[BloodyJin]

@unclewebb
I finished today repasting, used thermal grizzly kryonaut, I'll upload the tests here
heatsink was full of accumulated dirt unfortunately and got it cleaned eventually with the fans
Got the highest score yet in cinebench 6468 without ThrottleStop, with ThrottleStop it went back to 6111 Idk It suppose to go higher based on what I did before, whenever am using TS it goes higher
While the system is Idle temps got lower as far as 50C which I never seen in more than a year now lol
Same settings and Cache Offset set at 120, Cache IccMax 255.75

Got no Crashes so far, I will try to lower Cache Offset now and wait for the results
I will try later to play and upload my new log file
Idk what more I could do now, am I good to go or should I mess more with ThrottleStop settings, or the contrary not use it, I would appreciate your help and thank you in advance

 

[unclewebb]

Your CPU is still over heating and thermal throttling. You will never get consistent performance or consistent benchmark scores if you cannot control the heat.

For most games, you might be OK as is. Not sure what else to say. Some laptops do not have enough cooling to run a 9750H at max speed.

Run a separate benchmark like Cinebench when testing. Reboot when testing with and without ThrottleStop. Using ThrottleStop to lower the CPU voltage will help but it will not solve all of your problems if the heatsink is inadequate.

 

[BloodyJin]

Your CPU is still over heating and thermal throttling. You will never get consistent performance or consistent benchmark scores if you cannot control the heat.

For most games, you might be OK as is. Not sure what else to say. Some laptops do not have enough cooling to run a 9750H at max speed.

Run a separate benchmark like Cinebench when testing. Reboot when testing with and without ThrottleStop. Using ThrottleStop to lower the CPU voltage will help but it will not solve all of your problems if the heatsink is inadequate.

well with gaming I am more than satisfied, the temps were reaching 85C as maximum temp for the CPU, but for benching it still go to 96-97
I guess I will stay away from anything that put powerful pressure on the CPU until I get a desktop. this laptop done wonders for me.
what about the wattage and CPU clocks, are they better than before?