Need help to fix my Micro-Stuttering problem

[lior215]

Hi! i'm back after a while i already made a similar post in the past but i did understand what was the cause kinda (shader caching basically) but right now i cannot understand why i do get micro stuttering in games..

Hardware:

Cpu ryzen 5 7600x
Gpu Nvidia Rtx 4060 8gb vram
Ram 2x16Gb 6000mhz 36cl
Mobo b650 aorus elite ax rev 1.2
SSD gen4 WD-Black sn770 1TB
Psu Thermaltake 650w gold 80 plus (not a power issue)

I already tried to check for temperature, it's fine no throttling is happening

So rolling out the causes there is a list of what i think it might be:

Increasing the ram from 2x8gb to 2x16gb helped a bit with the issue somehow

Might still be Shader Caching Compiling but seems very strange (also because i do get this microstutter In-Game even after a full day of playing it's like it is (Re-Compiling them) or it's moving out a large amout of data and making the system hang.

Unstable CPU(?) i mean it's not overclocked and i have PBO disabled so i don't think it's this.

If anyone has any good advice they can provide i would really love it!

(this happens in most games but not all of them, also i do use Rivatuner to reduce judder by setting a 80fps cap[all of my games can go above 80 fps, and i have a 75hz monitor so...])

i do use Intelligent standby list cleaner too

i hope this post will not go unnoticed

 

[RJARRRPCGP]

Did you check the SSD? It may be a defective SSD! Major jerkiness makes the SSD suspect.

 

[DemonicRyzen666]

at what resolution are you playing at?
1080p?

 

[GerKNG]

i do use Intelligent standby list cleaner too

stuff like this is nonsense and other "Optimizations" are 100% the cause of your issue.

 

[lior215]

at what resolution are you playing at?
1080p?

Sorry forgot to actually tell it yes i do play 1080p

stuff like this is nonsense and other "Optimizations" are 100% the cause of your issue.

Well not really i had this problem even before i tried this standby list cleaner

Did you check the SSD? It may be a defective SSD! Major jerkiness makes the SSD suspect.

I did benchmark it everything seems ok

 

[GerKNG]

Well not really i had this problem even before i tried this standby list cleaner

you have micro stuttering problems with a completely blank windows installation without any software besides a GPU driver and the game that stutters?

 

[P4-630]

i had this problem even before i tried this standby list cleaner

Nevermind..

 

[lior215]

you have micro stuttering problems with a completely blank windows installation without any software besides a GPU driver and the game that stutters?

ummhhhh not tried to be fair but idk if i really should reinstall windows Again-

 

[Onasi]

ummhhhh not tried to be fair but idk if i really should reinstall windows Again-

That would be the starting point for any troubleshooting, honestly, seeing if a problem persists in the most “stock” configuration - default UEFI, no OC, clean Windows without any significant tweaks.
I would agree with @GerKNG that people often get issues by trying to “optimize” and tweak their setup to the point when it actually is detrimental. Most of said tweaks are a meme. ISLC, for example, is pointless if you aren’t actually running out of RAM. Which, with 32 gigs, you aren’t likely to (unless you are in habit of leaving large Photoshop projects running in the background while gaming or something for some reason). Windows actually has excellent memory management and the whining online about how it “hogs RAM” is by people who have no idea what they are talking about. Making your OS use LESS RAM when you have it enough to spare is not actually beneficial.

 

[Athlonite]

Nvidia Rtx 4060 8gb vram

That's probably the issue I would have gone for the 16GB one instead

I see you don't mention what game it is that's causing all the stutters though

also try capping your games to 74fps instead of 80

 

[Deleted member 239770]

Which games?

 

[lior215]

That's probably the issue I would have gone for the 16GB one instead

I see you don't mention what game it is that's causing all the stutters though

also try capping your games to 74fps instead of 80

I tried the game seems so juddery

Which games?

That's probably the issue I would have gone for the 16GB one instead

I see you don't mention what game it is that's causing all the stutters though

also try capping your games to 74fps instead of 80

As for games:

V-rising,
Lethal company,
Content warning,
Very rare but even on dark and darker,
Cyberpunk even if very rare,
Tarkov seems to not have this issue Incredibly (the baddest optimized game of all time probably)

 

[Deleted member 239770]

Turn off VRR?

 

[lior215]

Turn off VRR?

i don't even know what it is-

 

[Deleted member 239770]

i don't even know what it is-

Go into your monitor settings, make sure variable refresh rate is off, Gsync or AMD freesync..

 

[lior215]

Go into your monitor settings, make sure variable refresh rate is off, Gsync or AMD freesync..

Oh ok no no it is disabled also my monitor is no G-sync compatible so RIP

 

[dgianstefani]

Only six cores is the only real hardware issue I can see from your specs, but it suits the tier of system you have, so shouldn't be a major issue.

6000/36 isn't particularly fast, and if RAM stability issues present it can manifest as stuttering.

Do an OCCT memory stability test 30 min.

4060 8 GB is fine for 1080p.

Do FPS limiting in NVCP, not in game or in third party software. You don't need software like rivatuner it's pointless. Use NVCP and NVCleaninstall after a fresh Windows install. No third party software besides MSI Afterburner.

Setting to 74 FPS limit in NVCP will be ideal for input lag.

Furthermore monitoring software like rivatuner actively slows your gaming performance.

OCCT is a standalone portable exe, so you can run it when you need to know something, and leave it the rest of the time.

If any of your hardware is overheating, CPU, RAM, GPU, VRM, Chipset etc. It can cause stuttering.

Running OCCT while gaming and observing the "max" temperatures after an hour or so will tell you if you're too hot.

There's no real reason to leave PBO off either. It can help with CPU limited scenarios such as Tarkov, and may help mitigate stuttering if the cause isn't one of the above issues.

 

[BoggledBeagle]

Are your memory sticks in the right slots?

 

[dgianstefani]

That would be the starting point for any troubleshooting, honestly, seeing if a problem persists in the most “stock” configuration - default UEFI, no OC, clean Windows without any significant tweaks.
I would agree with @GerKNG that people often get issues by trying to “optimize” and tweak their setup to the point when it actually is detrimental. Most of said tweaks are a meme. ISLC, for example, is pointless if you aren’t actually running out of RAM. Which, with 32 gigs, you aren’t likely to (unless you are in habit of leaving large Photoshop projects running in the background while gaming or something for some reason). Windows actually has excellent memory management and the whining online about how it “hogs RAM” is by people who have no idea what they are talking about. Making your OS use LESS RAM when you have it enough to spare is not actually beneficial.

Yeah tweaks can be good if you actually know what you're doing, but most people don't.

Much of what is done can be to reduce kernel interrupts, latency, CPU time, not RAM usage etc.

These are only notable when you're running very high FPS and use high polling peripherals like 8000 Hz mice etc. For average 60 Hz gamer or in the case of OP, 75 Hz, not necessary.

Only real thing I'd suggest for any tier of gamer that wants to use Windows is go for LTSC.

OP are you actually running at 6000 MT, it requires setting XMP/EXPO in BIOS, you can't just plug it in an expect it to be running at faster than JEDEC.

You can check easily by opening task manager and going to performance - memory tab.

GitHub - amitxv/PC-Tuning: Guidance to configure Windows based systems for real-time tasks

Guidance to configure Windows based systems for real-time tasks - amitxv/PC-Tuning

github.com

Only solid tuning comprehensive guide I've found that doesn't have snake oil.

 

[Onasi]

Only solid tuning comprehensive guide I've found that doesn't have snake oil.

Even that, though an excellent (if hilariously excessive) guide, is very much a case of something that requires a competent user to read through it and fully understand what it is the suggestions are and weigh their usefulness for their own use case. I would strongly suggest NOT doing most of the tweaks inside the guide to the vast majority of users, even advanced ones, who need their PCs to be generally trouble free for day to day tasks. Since, you know, gutting security and completely shutting off updates would not be something that I’d recommend.
In general, there are only two states of Windows I’d recommend - stock or near-stock with some annoyances and bloat removed for just general use that would work just fine for 99% of users. And a balls to the wall, completely slimmed and tweaked setup along the lines of the guide above, preferably based on the Enterprise or Server image. That’s something that only very specific use cases would need. And no, playing games isn’t one of those.

 

[lior215]

Only six cores is the only real hardware issue I can see from your specs, but it suits the tier of system you have, so shouldn't be a major issue.

6000/36 isn't particularly fast, and if RAM stability issues present it can manifest as stuttering.

Do an OCCT memory stability test 30 min.

4060 8 GB is fine for 1080p.

Do FPS limiting in NVCP, not in game or in third party software. You don't need software like rivatuner it's pointless. Use NVCP and NVCleaninstall after a fresh Windows install. No third party software besides MSI Afterburner.

Setting to 74 FPS limit in NVCP will be ideal for input lag.

Furthermore monitoring software like rivatuner actively slows your gaming performance.

OCCT is a standalone portable exe, so you can run it when you need to know something, and leave it the rest of the time.

If any of your hardware is overheating, CPU, RAM, GPU, VRM, Chipset etc. It can cause stuttering.

Running OCCT while gaming and observing the "max" temperatures after an hour or so will tell you if you're too hot.

There's no real reason to leave PBO off either. It can help with CPU limited scenarios such as Tarkov, and may help mitigate stuttering if the cause isn't one of the above issues.

I did do a memtest86 and had no errors but idk if it counts as a benchmark for what you are saying

Yeah tweaks can be good if you actually know what you're doing, but most people don't.

Much of what is done can be to reduce kernel interrupts, latency, CPU time, not RAM usage etc.

These are only notable when you're running very high FPS and use high polling peripherals like 8000 Hz mice etc. For average 60 Hz gamer or in the case of OP, 75 Hz, not necessary.

Only real thing I'd suggest for any tier of gamer that wants to use Windows is go for LTSC.

OP are you actually running at 6000 MT, it requires setting XMP/EXPO in BIOS, you can't just plug it in an expect it to be running at faster than JEDEC.

You can check easily by opening task manager and going to performance - memory tab.

GitHub - amitxv/PC-Tuning: Guidance to configure Windows based systems for real-time tasks

Guidance to configure Windows based systems for real-time tasks - amitxv/PC-Tuning

github.com

Only solid tuning comprehensive guide I've found that doesn't have snake oil.

My expo is enabled and what is the ltsc you are talking about?

Only six cores is the only real hardware issue I can see from your specs, but it suits the tier of system you have, so shouldn't be a major issue.

6000/36 isn't particularly fast, and if RAM stability issues present it can manifest as stuttering.

Do an OCCT memory stability test 30 min.

4060 8 GB is fine for 1080p.

Do FPS limiting in NVCP, not in game or in third party software. You don't need software like rivatuner it's pointless. Use NVCP and NVCleaninstall after a fresh Windows install. No third party software besides MSI Afterburner.

Setting to 74 FPS limit in NVCP will be ideal for input lag.

Furthermore monitoring software like rivatuner actively slows your gaming performance.

OCCT is a standalone portable exe, so you can run it when you need to know something, and leave it the rest of the time.

If any of your hardware is overheating, CPU, RAM, GPU, VRM, Chipset etc. It can cause stuttering.

Running OCCT while gaming and observing the "max" temperatures after an hour or so will tell you if you're too hot.

There's no real reason to leave PBO off either. It can help with CPU limited scenarios such as Tarkov, and may help mitigate stuttering if the cause isn't one of the above issues.

Also i did install my GPU drivers with NVCleaninstall

 

[P4-630]

also my monitor is no G-sync compatible so RIP

You bought a RTX 4060.
If you want things smooth, just buy a proper G-Sync-(compatible) monitor first...

GL.

 

[lior215]

Are your memory sticks in the right slots?

Yes i consulted the manual

You bought a RTX 4060.
If you want things smooth, just buy a proper G-Sync-(compatible) monitor first...

GL.

No money left unfortunately

Even that, though an excellent (if hilariously excessive) guide, is very much a case of something that requires a competent user to read through it and fully understand what it is the suggestions are and weigh their usefulness for their own use case. I would strongly suggest NOT doing most of the tweaks inside the guide to the vast majority of users, even advanced ones, who need their PCs to be generally trouble free for day to day tasks. Since, you know, gutting security and completely shutting off updates would not be something that I’d recommend.
In general, there are only two states of Windows I’d recommend - stock or near-stock with some annoyances and bloat removed for just general use that would work just fine for 99% of users. And a balls to the wall, completely slimmed and tweaked setup along the lines of the guide above, preferably based on the Enterprise or Server image. That’s something that only very specific use cases would need. And no, playing games isn’t one of those.

I do use a debloated tool and Windows with atlas so it's as light as it can be i think

 

[DemonicRyzen666]

what do you have the Nvidia control panel set to for Preferred Refresh rate?

I know If I have it set to fast No man's sky runs weird. I get high frame rates, but the frame times are slower than what they should be. example I get like 30ms for something like 150fps which is totally wrong.
It when I use DSR to set 4K they end being normal back to 16ms for 60fps. Turing the setting back to application controlled fixes the odd Frame timing & micro stuttering issue.

 

[Onasi]

I do use a debloated tool and Windows with atlas so it's as light as it can be i think

That would have been good to lead with, honestly. There is no way to know how butchered this install of OS with. Scrap and try with a fresh, clean stock image. Any tweaks should be manual and with a full knowledge of what you’re actually doing to the system. Jesus Christ. “As light as possible” isn’t a positive that you might think it is.