New AM5 Build BSOD

[changlish76]

Just finished this AM5 build, and I'm getting BSOD! Any advice is appreciated

https://nz.pcpartpicker.com/list/t7H8wg

Minidump files

https://files.catbox.moe/3p33p1.zip

First crash was while clicking restart in the start menu

Second crash I was just watching someone stream in discord

 

[Waldorf]

I assume you did a fresh install of win?
latest bios?
did you set Vs for soc/ram manually?

set bclk fixed to 100.0 (my last Gb had large fluctuations on auto), with ram on stock.

run the memtest (DL section), with ram on stock, just to check if its hw related.

 

[changlish76]

I assume you did a fresh install of win?
latest bios?
did you set Vs for soc/ram manually?

set bclk fixed to 100.0 (my last Gb had large fluctuations on auto), with ram on stock.

run the memtest (DL section), with ram on stock, just to check if its hw related.

Yeah fresh install of 11 pro, and latest non-beta bios F21
Ram is set to EXPO
Suppose I should disable EXPO and run memtest overnight

 

[Bagerklestyne]

Check the beta bios changes for bugs, stability issues, or any weird fixes that look like they might help.

Also run HWinfo etc and watch temps see if something weird is spiking.

 

[changlish76]

Also run HWinfo etc and watch temps see if something weird is spiking.

Not sure what to look for tbh. I do use Hwinfo and CPU/GPU thermals are amazing. Image of the Beta BIOS description for the B650 Aorus Elite AX V2 is attached, currently on F21

 

[Shou Miko]

Not sure what to look for tbh. I do use Hwinfo and CPU/GPU thermals are amazing. Image of the Beta BIOS description for the B650 Aorus Elite AX V2 is attached, currently on F21

I might not be the biggest Gigabyte fan but, with Gigabyte are the memory you run on their QVL list?

Also some people have reported before they have problems running 6000MT/s with the 7800X3D so they had to lower the frequency to 5200 or 5600MT/s before everything was stable.

 

[Waldorf]

@changlish76
you were able install win, and and chances that a beta will fix something, that prevents stock hw to run without BSOD is very small,
especially considering your using expo, so dont waste time on bios versions (yet).
(thinking negatively: one way to get your post numbers up..)

its easier to compare, if you know that "stock" is stable.
i havent used the memtest tool from here, but TM5 or HCI also work,
just require different settings/test duration, so others can chime in on that.

i prefer HCI, as the "deluxe" version allows for usb boot (quicker than loading os when tweaking ram),
but also offers testing when running win, without having to load/change "profiles" etc,
just running it long enough so all ram is tested.

set all to auto, turn off PBO/ram power saving/gear down etc,
then test ram for 24h.
if its not showing errors, its related to (expo) ram tweak, not the hw.

@Shou Miko
QVL means its tested to work, not tested to be stable or possible to use.
in past +10y, had more non QVL kits working stable, than QVL kits working as promised (XMP/AMP)...

 

[changlish76]

I might not be the biggest Gigabyte fan but, with Gigabyte are the memory you run on their QVL list?

Also some people have reported before they have problems running 6000MT/s with the 7800X3D so they had to lower the frequency to 5200 or 5600MT/s before everything was stable.

This Corsair kit is one of the very few available to me that is on the QVL

set all to auto, turn off PBO/ram power saving/gear down etc,

I will do my best to test that the ram is not defective w/ basic settings. Do you prefer MCR & Power down mode disabled with AM5?

 

[Shou Miko]

This Corsair kit is one of the very few available to me that is on the QVL

Okay, from my my recent experience with Gigabyte boards, it's worth checking but have you tried to manually tuned to 5200 or 5600MT/s to see if the 7800X3D and tuned memory is more stabil?

 

[Waldorf]

@changlish76
might wanna wait for someone else to add info with detailed/optimized settings, as i havent played with AM5 yet.

@Shou Miko
glad your willing to "waste" someone's time testing tweaked settings,
when we dont even know if stock/jedec is stable.

im out..

 

[changlish76]

Okay, from my my recent experience with Gigabyte boards, it's worth checking but have you tried to manually tuned to 5200 or 5600MT/s to see if the 7800X3D and tuned memory is more stabil?

I think I will test the memory overnight at stock settings, then again the next night using something like this and see how it goes https://www.patreon.com/posts/low-effort-rank-77403831

 

[Shou Miko]

@Shou Miko
glad your willing to "waste" someone's time testing tweaked settings,
when we dont even know if stock/jedec is stable.

im out..

He said the tested EXPO that's why I said what I said, plus I had several people having these issues with the 7800X3D the last one not even a month ago.

I think I will test the memory overnight at stock settings, then again the next night using something like this and see how it goes https://www.patreon.com/posts/low-effort-rank-77403831

Fine to test, just personally not had the best experience with Gigabyte the past couple of years and it's a shame compared to Asus, ASRock and MSI.

Buildzoid knows what he talk about when it comes to timings for ram, so I would trust him.

 

[Bill_Bright]

@changlish76 - besides verifying all necessary cables are attached and securely fastened, you have provided adequate cooling, you have not dinked with the default clock and voltage settings, and your RAM is securely seated in the proper slots, note that cases are designed to support 1000s of different motherboards of different sizes. So, it is common for cases to have more motherboard mounting points than some boards have mounting holes.

A common mistake by the less experienced and distracted pros alike is to insert one or more extra standoff in the case under the motherboard. Any extra standoff creates the potential for an electrical “short” in one or more circuits. The results range from "nothing" (everything works perfectly), to a wide assortment of odd problems, to "nothing" (as in nothing works at all ). To add to the confusion, these issues may be intermittent, depending on heat, expansion/contraction of materials, as well as continuity/resistance through the contact point. Therefore, you need to ensure the case only has an inserted standoff where there is a corresponding motherboard mounting hole.

Note the latest version of the ATX Form Factor standard hopes to eliminate these issues by dictating where standoffs will go, not just where they may go. But not all existing boards or cases comply with those latest standards - yet. So, you still should verify you only inserted a standoff where there is a corresponding motherboard mounting hole.

I recommend taking everything out of the case and assembling the computer on a large, unfinished bread/cutting board to see if it boots and runs fine there. Then inspect the case and verify again, only the necessary standoffs have been installed in the correct places before reassembling back inside the case.

If you still have problems, I recommend trying a different power supply. I realize your Corsair is brand new, but even the best models from the best makers can produce a unit that does not comply with requirements. And since everything inside the case depends on good, clean stable power, you need to verify you are providing it.

 

[Bagerklestyne]

Check the beta bios changes for bugs, stability issues, or any weird fixes that look like they might help.

Also run HWinfo etc and watch temps see if something weird is spiking.

I'd load into bios, watch the cpu temp for 5 minutes...
Boot into windows and fire up hwinfo while the machines idle, should be a few degrees warmer at best
Do the same with a youtube video running.

Then if you can, have a gaming session and see if you get spikes at all.

My last regular bsod pc issue was a combination for dodgy ram (it was tired) and the cpu cooler was clogged up so it ran poorly under load, but was total rubbish at idle.

Temps could show bad TIM application on the cpu.

It's more here about eliminating potential problems so hone in on if it's a hardware or software fault and where it lies.

 

[ir_cow]

Update the BIOS to newest and disable all CPU OCs and XMP/EXPO. See where that takes you

This Corsair kit is one of the very few available to me that is on the QVL

QVL is fairly pointless these days. Though I have come across some that wouldn't boot until a later BIOS revision

 

[Dragam1337]

Yeah fresh install of 11 pro, and latest non-beta bios F21
Ram is set to EXPO
Suppose I should disable EXPO and run memtest overnight

What exact memory kit are you using? As in the part number.

Corsair kits often don't play nice with am5.

 

[tabascosauz]

This Corsair kit is one of the very few available to me that is on the QVL

I will do my best to test that the ram is not defective w/ basic settings. Do you prefer MCR & Power down mode disabled with AM5?

As long as you have Hynix (which you have), QVL really shouldn't even matter most of the time (and not that it has ever meant much).

AFAIK the MCR/powerdown thing still isn't fixed in AGESA, so you have to pick and choose. If you don't change both of those at the same time, you will get random freezes or failed memory training.

• Memory Context Restore ON + Power Down Mode ON
• Memory Context Restore OFF + Power Down Mode OFF

The bz low effort timings should work pretty comfortably at 1.4V. I'm still trying to familiarize myself with A-die and DDR5 timings, but I run more or less bz's guide 6000CL30 with slightly tighter tRFC at 1.35V. Probably still room to either tighten or go down even further on volts

run some TM5 first. instructions and download are over on the overclock.net thread. it shouldn't take you more than an hour or so to finish one loop, and if you are truly unstable at EXPO it should start showing errors within minutes. lots seem to use HCI or some spinoff of it for DDR5, or karhu, but I don't like HCI because of how long it has to go for complete confidence sometimes

 

[ir_cow]

Corsair kits often don't play nice with am5.

That isn't true. We went over this last time..

 

[Dragam1337]

That isn't true. We went over this last time..

In that case it's a curious coincidence that the people complaining about instability with am5 nearly always use corsair ram...

 

[ir_cow]

In that case it's a curious coincidence that the people complaining about instability with am5 nearly always use corsair ram...

Nothing to do with the brand. All about the configuration here and frequency.

AM4 did have problems at launch with Corsair and ever brand that didn't use Samsung ICs. But that is far in the past and fixed with BIOS updates.

 

[tabascosauz]

Nothing to do with the brand. All about the configuration here and frequency.

AM4 did have problems at launch with Corsair and ever brand that didn't use Samsung ICs. But that is far in the past and fixed with BIOS updates.

I think the AM4 Corsair problems were chalked up to either bad PCB design or super bad bins (for the ultra bad B-die). And I don't think either of those problems were solved through AGESA. But I've not seen nearly that many problems for Corsair on AM5. Corsair is like every other DDR5 vendor, they make slightly expensive good stuff (Hynix) and they make cheap trash (others).

 

[kapone32]

Personally I would return the Corsair Ram and get Gskill. Corsair are notorious for changing the ICs and leaving the part number the same. That means that even though that part is on the QVL, the ICs coul;d be different. I had nothing but problems with Corsair memory.

 

[ir_cow]

Personally I would return the Corsair Ram and get Gskill. Corsair are notorious for changing the ICs and leaving the part number the same. That means that even though that part is on the QVL, the ICs coul;d be different. I had nothing but problems with Corsair memory.

The revision number changes. That's on MB vendors to include this information. Hmmm one of the big 4 did on the QVL. Don't remember which, but it was nice to see.

 

[changlish76]

What exact memory kit are you using? As in the part number.

Corsair kits often don't play nice with am5.

https://nz.pcpartpicker.com/product/mjt9TW/corsair-vengeance-rgb-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-6000-cl30-memory-cmh32gx5m2b6000z30k

CMH32GX5M2B6000Z30K

Most mobo support pages list the kit as hynix-M, and I believe cpuz said the same. TBH we did not get a photo of the stickers, but now im tempted to take them out and look.
I'm hoping a pass of TM5 on current settings will fail, but I hear mixed opinions on testing ddr5. Either way I'm leaning towards turning off MCR/PDM/Fast boot then making some minor changes to the expo config and testing again. I'm not able to use the PC in person, so simple and stable is the goal

 

[ir_cow]

I'm hoping a pass of TM5 on current settings will fail, but I hear mixed opinions on testing ddr5.

It's the best program to use that is free (and good)

Either way I'm leaning towards turning off MCR/PDM/Fast boot then making some minor changes to the expo config and testing again. I'm not able to use the PC in person, so simple and stable is the goal

Really 2x 16 GB 6000 should work just fine on that motherboard no matter the brand. But if auto MB settings like latency tweaks, fast boot or types like that are enabled it will BSOD. I can't enable Fast boot without getting blue screens.