New batch of Sapphire R9 280X TOXIC is with changed RAM ! reduce efficiency by 15% !

[Ll_lkasz]

Sapphire haven't informed customers, that in new batch of R9 280x TOXIC they changed memory type from HYNIX to ELPIDA.
BIOS:
015.043.000.005.000000 (elpida)
015.041.000.000.000000 (hynix)
New card with elpida are 15%-20% less efficient than the old ones ( cryptocurency mining ) !!!
If they wont fix this issue they will lose thousends of clients.
Already, people are confused and giving up from shopping.
I will send back to supplier cards I bought and believe me most of miners will do that same.

Post here as a warning for all people who still thinks that TOXIC as most efficiency mining GPU.

 

[RCoon]

I feel no moral sadness for miners. They utterly ravage power as it is.

 

[BarbaricSoul]

I feel no moral sadness for miners. They utterly ravage power as it is.

I agree, it's because of miners that we have these outrageous prices on AMD video cards. WTF happened to the $500-600 R9 290X? Miners.

 

[GreiverBlade]

following RCoon and BarbaricSoul on that ... as long as the card works fine for other purpose than Cryptocurrencies mining : I DON'T CARE!

the fastest those things will fail the happier (look at the news ... how many steal and bad news about cryptocurrencies .... it is only the beginning.)

 

[AsRock]

Just a shame that they had to go from HYNIX to ELPIDA

 

[R-T-B]

following RCoon and BarbaricSoul on that ... as long as the card works fine for other purpose than Cryptocurrencies mining : I DON'T CARE!

the fastest those things will fail the happier (look at the news ... how many steal and bad news about cryptocurrencies .... it is only the beginning.)

There is far more "steal and bad news" about fiat currencies, actually. It's always been that way, always will be. Crypto is safe if you treat it like a you should: Like a wad of cash in your back pocket. Protect it.

This is a good article on that point:

http://www.coindesk.com/cash-invented-seen-media-today/

Seriously guys, don't hate crypto in concept, hate the way it's been implemented. It's not good, even I'll admit that, and I'm one of those miners who stole all your graphics cards (though to be fair, I let one loose on the forums at $300 recently).

Crypto is seriously a great idea. But it needs to do something useful beyond just verifying transactions. We don't want to be slaves to Mr. Mastercard and Ms. Visa, freedom is a good thing, but it would be quite a bit better if these currencies found some way to either compute something (like Primecoin currently does, albeit it is quite theoretical math distant from everyday usefulness), or do what they do with FAR LESS energy usage.

Either way, quit raging at crypto miners because you can't get your game on. We aren't all evil, we have SOME good ideas, and we're working on it. Honest.

... Besides, you'll hurt my feelings, and I'm actually a nice guy.

 

[RCoon]

There is far more "steal and bad news" about fiat currencies, actually. It's always been that way.

Seriously guys, don't hate crypto in concept, hate the way it's been implemented. It's not good, even I'll admit that, and I'm one of those miners who stole all your graphics cards (though to be fair, I let one loose on the forums at $300 recently).

Crypto is seriously a great idea. But it needs to do something useful beyond just verifying transactions. We don't want to be slaves to Mr. Mastercard and Ms. Visa, freedom is a good thing, but it would be quite a bit better if these currencies found some way to either compute something (like Primecoin currently does, albeit it is quite theoretical math distant from everyday usefulness), or do what they do with FAR LESS energy usage.

Either way, quit raging at crypto miners because you can't get your game on. We aren't all evil, we have SOME good ideas, and we're working on it. Honest.

... Besides, you'll hurt my feelings, and I'm actually a nice guy.

I appreciate your post, I also think miners should bare in mind that that mining is essentially the same as stock market trading. Mining is always a gamble, and a lot of things can affect market profitability. In the stock market, it's politics and what not, in mining it's hardware, power etc. When you mine, you invest and take a gamble. You should expect these sorts of things (like hynix memory being in short supply because it's better), and adapt. You don't hear stock market brokers running into the streets in uproar, demanding their money back because they got screwed over by the Ukraine crisis at the moment and random stocks dropped. You deal with it and adapt.
I'm sure you're a nice guy, and you seem respectable, but miners have destroyed the AMD GPU market in the US, so you're going to have to deal with the minor hate from US members that can't buy the card they want

 

[R-T-B]

so you're going to have to deal with the minor hate from US members that can't buy the card they want

It actually took me two days to sell my 7970 Ghz for $300 here, but I'll pretend that didn't happen and accept your point.

 

[RCoon]

It actually took me two days to sell my 7970 Ghz for $300 here, but I'll pretend that didn't happen and accept your point.

Well that's one happy american xD Instant Karma averted!

 

[R-T-B]

Yeah, I figured if I didn't let at least one go from my slave rack, they'd all rebel and melt down burning me and my home to smithereens (though ironically, my crypto is stored in a firesafe so it'd be ok).

Karma... Don't mess with it.

 

[Scheich]

Even with real ram, theres a bottleneck starting at 870 mhz gpu, which is kinda sad, considering the price and the stupid overclocking advertisement for the card.

 

[GreiverBlade]

well my point is : i hate the BTC/LTC/"insert random name for unstable virtually useless virtual currency"

in switzerland i consider it luck that most of the miners use ASICS miner due to the electricity price but i still see some .... excuse me the term.... "jerk" who try to sell mining rigs with 2x 1500w PSU 7x R9 280 full riser on a random B85 board with all pciEx and a 1150 pentium or lower model of i3 at a price that would cover 14 R9 280 at the regular market price... those kind really did understand how to make money out of BTC : they sell rigs with a insane premium price to unsuspecting buyer who think "because the seller say so" that they would become billionaire in less than a year with that rig who will cost them nearly the price of a used car...

i noticed many case of ... hum BTC "disappearance" or the actual real money fund used to buy them "vanish" too ... iirc 2 cryptocurrencies specialized bank had some "stealing" issues ... it is time people realize that kind of money isn't "safe" as they are advertized to be.

300$ for a 7970? it is 10$ less than the base price of a R9 280 in switzerland .... for a used 7970 on top of that who have been used to mine ... not sure it is a good deal (unless you sold a brand new backup card for that price ofc )

ofc it only my opinion but i'm firm on it and i maintain it no matter what others might to say.

and @R-T-B i wasn't targeting Miner .... if you feel hurt, then you feel guilty ahah i don't want the miner to die.... just the BTC/LTC and such for i only care about miner is their mental sanity when the whole scam will fall down.

 

[FX-GMC]

I agree, it's because of miners that we have these outrageous prices on AMD video cards. WTF happened to the $500-600 R9 290X? Miners.

They are getting close.

HIS 290X $629 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161438
Asus DCII $649 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121840

 

[Sasqui]

What IS the ROI time if you buy a $900 290x and start mining? Is there a relatively simple answer?

Taking into account power usage and all that...

 

[BarbaricSoul]

It actually took me two days to sell my 7970 Ghz for $300 here, but I'll pretend that didn't happen and accept your point.

and I sold mine for $225 just before you miners hit, which is where used 7970 cards should be selling at.

 

[TRWOV]

I got my current 7970 for $230, s&h included, before the craze.

 

[FX-GMC]

What IS the ROI time if you buy a $900 290x and start mining? Is there a relatively simple answer?

Taking into account power usage and all that...

http://dustcoin.com/

On the scrypt line give an estimate of 800-900 kH/s and estimate power usage and electricity cost. Then look at the profit column for Litecoin or Dogecoin.

I know with my 780 at 640kH/s (500watts and $.12/kWh) I'm making about $.06 /hour so I'm gonna go ahead and say it'll take awhile. Don't read that as i'm doing it for profit tho. I just want Dogecoins.

 

[bubbleawsome]

I nearly bought a 7970 new for 199 back in September. Imagine that now! I don't hate miners because I mine myself; but it hurts to be an amd guy right now.

 

[Sasqui]

I'm making about $.06 /hour so I'm gonna go ahead and say it'll take awhile. Don't read that as i'm doing it for profit tho. I just want Dogecoins.

So about 2 years? Wow, I'd rather buy tickets to Vegas and play blackjack for a week.

 

[bubbleawsome]

I'm mining ~400Khash with my $0.07kw waived. Making about $0.04/h.

 

[R-T-B]

300$ for a 7970? it is 10$ less than the base price of a R9 280 in switzerland .... for a used 7970 on top of that who have been used to mine ... not sure it is a good deal (unless you sold a brand new backup card for that price ofc )

a 7970 Ghz is faster than an R9 280 (rebranded 7950). And my cards aren't abused like most miners, I'm sure they've been treeated better than most gamers treat their cards and I'd hardly call them "stressed." They never even exceeded room temp by much due to climate control.

And yes, I do feel guilty a bit for sucking up a bunch of cards. That's why I sold it... (Though I bought my cards WAY before the shortage).

i don't want the miner to die.... just the BTC/LTC and such for i only care about miner is their mental sanity when the whole scam will fall down.

BTC is not a scam. It's a mathamatically predictable protocol. It does what it says on the tin. People STEALING btc are scammers, just as people stealing dollars are scammers. That doesn't make the dollar a scam.

Honestly, wanting BTC to die is stupid. It's one of the best ideas to come around in a long time, because it takes the power away from politicians and other less than honest types to mint money willy-nilly. It puts the power of money in the hands of the people. The only bad thing about it is it's energy consumption, but that will. be dealt with eventually... I see no reason BTC is going away, as it's not a scam and it's actually rallying right now even with all this bad news. It's not going anywhere. The idea is too strong too die, and it's about more than just money.

Greed is what we want to die here, not BTC. Unfortunately greed is a powerful foe.

and I sold mine for $225 just before you miners hit, which is where used 7970 cards should be selling at.

Not a high end one like a 7970 Ghz ASUS ROG card, but I digress. We're disagreeing on prices now, lol. The point is I sold it DURING the mining craze, when I could've got $450 just with a snap of my fingers on ebay. I sold it for exactly what I felt it should cost today, not what it was going for.

 

[RejZoR]

Crypto money is the biggest waste of worlds resources. Gigawatts of power go into calculation of some meaningles data that then turns it into spendable currency. Maybe it was useful on day one, but today, you barely cover the electricity expenses which is just idiotic. Playing good old normal games on same system would be more productivem tbh...

 

[GreiverBlade]

a 7970 Ghz is faster than an R9 280 (rebranded 7950). And my cards aren't abused like most miners, I'm sure they've been treeated better than most gamers treat their cards and I'd hardly call them "stressed." They never even exceeded room temp by much due to climate control.

And yes, I do feel guilty a bit for sucking up a bunch of cards. That's why I sold it... (Though I bought my cards WAY before the shortage).

aherm i was talking about 280X baseprice ... (typo) and nope you shouldn't feel guilty (i am just being sarcastic as i usually am) also yep the BTC should die (alright it's not a scam) or nV should focus on BTC mining efficiency so 2 brand could take a share of the burden the mining is for regular user

Crypto money is the biggest waste of worlds resources. Gigawatts of power go into calculation of some meaningles data that then turns it into spendable currency. Maybe it was useful on day one, but today, you barely cover the electricity expenses which is just idiotic. Playing good old normal games on same system would be more productivem tbh...

basically what i think of it... if it was like WCG remuneration i would understand, but i rather use my electricity for a non remunerated WCG computing than mining BTC/LTC

also meaningless data ... who know that it is not a huge undercover company who use the computation of the miners to do some profit and gaining computing power with minimal cost.

 

[buildzoid]

I bought a R9 290X and R9 290 because here they cost less than GTX 780SLi. And since I don't use the PC 24/7 I have it mining when I'm not on it. Also if the 15% mining efficiency drop means 15+% drop in price it will only be a good thing for people who actually use the GPUs for what they are built for(gaming) and maybe also mine on them when they aren't using them.

 

[BarbaricSoul]

basically what i think of it... if it was like WCG remuneration i would understand, but i rather use my electricity for a non remunerated WCG computing than mining BTC/LTC

also meaningless data ... who know that it is not a huge undercover company who use the computation of the miners to do some profit and gaining computing power with minimal cost.

My feelings exactly. I would rather crunch WCG on my system for free and work towards finding a cure for Cancer, than work on some "meaningless" data. Atleast I'm doing some good for the world