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If you insist. You can save a lot of money going for a 13400f. I have an f card an no spare. If something goes wrong with the card I'll buy another one. Don't get me wrong its nice to have as a backup but sounds like you're trying to save money here, you don't exactly have room for nice to haves from the sounds of it.
If you insist. You can save a lot of money going for a 13400f. I have an f card an no spare. If something goes wrong with the card I'll buy another one. Don't get me wrong its nice to have as a backup but sounds like you're trying to save money here, you don't exactly have room for nice to haves from the sounds it.
6750xt catched my eye as it outpaces the 4060 in 1440p almost 20% (and that only for a sever 10s euro more as i wanted to buy a 4060 that costs 340ish)and to have synergy between amd tech i might take the 7600
6750xt catched my eye as it outpaces the 4060 in 1440p almost 20% (and that only for a sever 10s euro more as i wanted to buy a 4060 that costs 340ish)and to have synergy between amd tech i might take the 7600
Yes that will be a fine combo that will have longevity in the platform. Just know if you go am5 you will have to buy ddr5 ram, and while it has gotten cheaper it is still about 2-3x as much as a cheap and fast ddr4 kit.
6750xt catched my eye as it outpaces the 4060 in 1440p almost 20% (and that only for a sever 10s euro more as i wanted to buy a 4060 that costs 340ish)and to have synergy between amd tech i might take the 7600
6750xt catched my eye as it outpaces the 4060 in 1440p almost 20% (and that only for a sever 10s euro more as i wanted to buy a 4060 that costs 340ish)and to have synergy between amd tech i might take the 7600
Nvidia is for RayTracing, that doesn't works well on their low end i'm pretty sure (4070ti minimum i'd say). And RTX will need CPU too, or am-i wrong... so you can get an AMD GPU anyway.
You can go for the Intel 12600KF and the RX 6700 XT. You should go for RAM with the highest frequency and most optimal timings in your budget.
It's possible to do this specific build for 700 EUR.
If you use Clear Linux for gaming you will get additional performance. It will allow you to outperform the RTX 3060 Ti build.
You can go for the Intel 12600KF and the RX 6700 XT. You should go for RAM with the highest frequency and most optimal timings in your budget.
It's possible to do this specific build for 700 EUR.
If you use Clear Linux for gaming you will get additional performance. It will allow you to outperform the RTX 3060 Ti build.
the amd high power consumption scares me still, i think i settle for a 4060 or ti of it, read today a 12gb is coming with a higher bit bus next to super line up
but i do see the 6700 xt does not have that much power consumption and is beter than 4060 ti
which 6700 xt could you recommend? an amd card cant believe going to do that, how are its drivers nowadays?
the amd high power consumption scares me still, i think i settle for a 4060 or ti of it, read today a 12gb is coming with a higher bit bus next to super line up
but i do see the 6700 xt does not have that much power consumption and is beter than 4060 ti
which 6700 xt could you recommend? an amd card cant believe going to do that, how are its drivers nowadays?
I dont have one myself but I've heard they've improved a lot. And given all the driver problems I had with nvidia 30 series its like nvidia is the one falling behind in the driver department, possibly because all their focus is on ai ( but to be fair I haven't had those problems with my 4090).
6700xt is a good card, so its 6800 (non xt cheaper, xt more powerful, see whats on sale). If you go nvidia please find a way to get the 4070 at least. You dont want a 128 bit bus trust me, thats the kind of bus usually reserved for 50 series. The bandwidth is horrendous, HALF the size of the 2060 super or 3060 ti. Yes the cache kind of makes up for it - but not in all scenarios including resolutions higher than 1080p or ssaa or msaa.
ok good to know, but 6800 and 6800 xt are above my budget and have higher psu requirements, my psu is 560 watt platinum.
in case you see a good offer in germany let me know, but the 6800 or any card will run capped at 60hz fps first until i have a new screen to maybe 75 fps or 100 for some games where high fps matters.
The website that user used has the 6700XT as almost 50 Euros cheaper than the cheapest 6750XT. That's not to say the 6750XT can't be found cheaper but I wouldn't pay a significant amount more.
The website that user used has the 6700XT as almost 50 Euros cheaper than the cheapest 6750XT. That's not to say the 6750XT can't be found cheaper but I wouldn't pay a significant amount more.
ok good to know, but 6800 and 6800 xt are above my budget and have higher psu requirements, my psu is 560 watt platinum.
in case you see a good offer in germany let me know, but the 6800 or any card will run capped at 60hz fps first until i have a new screen to maybe 75 fps or 100 for some games where high fps matters.
I see, I see. I'm actually limited to 60hz for now as well (though I can overclock to 75, but I dont see a difference). That was why nvidia was important to me, I wanted dldsr which lets you render at higher resolutions and downsample to get the benefit of more gpu power that way. But I doubt that would be useful on a 4060/4060 ti. 6700xt is a fine choice, but you're right it does have a lot of power fluctuations.
4070 would be more likely to not require psu upgrade ( I ran it on 600w). Depends on the cpu you get. I'm sure 12400/13400 and a 4070 would be fine on that 560w. But I'd run it through a calculator with the other parts to be sure.
I see, I see. I'm actually limited to 60hz for now as well (though I can overclock to 75, but I dont see a difference). That was why nvidia was important to me, I wanted dldsr which lets you render at higher resolutions and downsample to get the benefit of more gpu power that way. But I doubt that would be useful on a 4060/4060 ti. 6700xt is a fine choice, but you're right it does have a lot of power fluctuations.
4070 would be more likely to not require psu upgrade ( I ran it on 600w). Depends on the cpu you get. I'm sure 12400/13400 and a 4070 would be fine on that 560w. But I'd run it through a calculator with the other parts to be sure.
Haha right you are. No consistency with naming at all with amd.
Should be fine I ran a stock 13600k with a 4070 once. 13400 isnt that much different, you still have the same amount of pcores just a little lower clock.
Should be fine I ran a stock 13600k with a 4070 once. 13400 isnt that much different, you still have the same amount of pcores just a little lower clock.
Interesting. I think I had heard before that some of the lower end raptor lake chips were really alder lake in disguise. Well, either way, you think that 12600k is safe in a 560w psu with a 4070? The idea was to try and get some decent graphic performance without having to upgrade the psu. I think it might just be okay. Worst case 225 + 225 = 450, with 110w left for everything else, which is plenty if we're talking mobo, ssd, ram and a couple fans.
Though of course it depends on the other parts and the quality of the unit and all the other responsible stuff I'm supposed to say.
I think my setup is currently running on thinner margins than that, but its all undervolted and I keep an eye on it.
7.5 years... Now it's late 2023 so let's say we're going back to mid-2016. 1440p high settings GPU was a GTX 1070/1080 back then. 1070 was a little not nuff, 1080 was a little overkill. Their closest competition as of 2023 are RTX 3050 and RX 6600 respectively (any next-gen GPU is superior to them).
As you can see, a GPU that handles 1440p now won't be able to handle 1440p as easily 7.5 years from now. Triple-A games will be closer to low 30s or sometimes even 20s on, say, RX 6800 if we go native 1440p and crank everything just one step below Ultra.
That said, having a 4-core CPU is not a great idea but you could get yourself an i3-12100F as a placeholder, spend more on a GPU (and take RX 6800 for example) and in the course of 2024, upgrade your CPU to something that makes more sense, like an i7-12700/i5-13600 or something like that. Selling 12100F won't be a problem at all, low-tier i3s are always at reasonable or even high demand. Or you could build yourself a second PC, why not.
Generally, games are more prone to pile up on their GPU requirements over time rather than on CPU ones. Once you buy a top-tier CPU you're going to have a bunch of GPU upgrades whilst having the exact same CPU from 5+ years ago just because you're still being GPU limited in almost every new game. Is 6700K (an 8 y.o. CPU) delivering playable performance today? Definitely yes, 30 and sometimes 60 FPS are quite the possibility almost in every game. Is GTX 980 (an 8 y.o. GPU) any good at 1440p? Not at all.
A 12600k or kf is a good chip but from a european point of view when being an energy efficient conscious person the chip isnt that attractive anymore more so because of its stronger
heat development. A 13400 or lower can than take of the edge.
A 12600k or kf is a good chip but from a european point of view when being an energy efficient conscious person the chip isnt that attractive anymore more so because of its stronger
heat development. A 13400 or lower can than take of the edge.
7.5 years... Now it's late 2023 so let's say we're going back to mid-2016. 1440p high settings GPU was a GTX 1070/1080 back then. 1070 was a little not nuff, 1080 was a little overkill. Their closest competition as of 2023 are RTX 3050 and RX 6600 respectively (any next-gen GPU is superior to them).
As you can see, a GPU that handles 1440p now won't be able to handle 1440p as easily 7.5 years from now. Triple-A games will be closer to low 30s or sometimes even 20s on, say, RX 6800 if we go native 1440p and crank everything just one step below Ultra.
That said, having a 4-core CPU is not a great idea but you could get yourself an i3-12100F as a placeholder, spend more on a GPU (and take RX 6800 for example) and in the course of 2024, upgrade your CPU to something that makes more sense, like an i7-12700/i5-13600 or something like that. Selling 12100F won't be a problem at all, low-tier i3s are always at reasonable or even high demand. Or you could build yourself a second PC, why not.
Generally, games are more prone to pile up on their GPU requirements over time rather than on CPU ones. Once you buy a top-tier CPU you're going to have a bunch of GPU upgrades whilst having the exact same CPU from 5+ years ago just because you're still being GPU limited in almost every new game. Is 6700K (an 8 y.o. CPU) delivering playable performance today? Definitely yes, 30 and sometimes 60 FPS are quite the possibility almost in every game. Is GTX 980 (an 8 y.o. GPU) any good at 1440p? Not at all.
I agree with this reasoning but i have no problem with a built which slightly goes degressive in performance over time. Currently with a 60hz monitor and most 100hz (will not buy higher)
and only med/high 1440p ambition (understand most daring titles bad luck e.g. starfield).
I have set my sights on a 13100f its idle power consumption and efficiency made me fall in love with it, the thought that after more than 10 years the 3770 is replaced by again a quad core who can last me 5 if not more years is simply an exciting journey for me.
Now im struggling with gpu choice again amd is for a power conscious customer not the best and i read about people having driver problems especially in windows 11
the new built will be on windows 11. A 4060ti around 400euro will convince me to go green again.
Yeah 600ks are usually pretty efficient but we're working with a pretty tight power budget here... 560w. Do you think the 13400 is a bad choice in this case? I mean it does leave more room for the PSU to breathe and the 13400 comes with a cooler doesn't it? That helps the also tight financial budget.
that is not gonna stop me from buying best dollar/perf.
