New comp build and problem from the beginning... help plz.

[oxrufiioxo]

dlss is turned off. turned off antialiasing help little.... strange.

The game uses TAA which can miss fine details especially in the distance when enabled.

DLSS might be worth trying with a new DLL like 3.7 it usually handles fine details better than TAA but it depends on the version post 3.0 are much better at it imo.

Something else to keep in mind sometimes turning up settings can make lod transitions more obvious because games will usually make a cone in front of the player usually in screen space and at a certain distance there is a normal drop off in detail. This is especially true for open world games and even something like Forza Horizon.

 

[Easeful2341]

The game uses TAA which can miss fine details especially in the distance when enabled.

DLSS might be worth trying with a new DLL like 3.7 it usually handles fine details better than TAA but it depends on the version post 3.0 are much better at it imo.

Something else to keep in mind sometimes turning up settings can make lod transitions more obvious because games will usually make a cone in front of the player usually in screen space and at a certain distance there is a normal drop off in detail. This is especially true for open world games and even something like Forza Horizon.

yes ,but tell me why on 3060gb 12gbLCR LOD work much better (extremlly better) but was have lower framerate ? Here i have all the time stable high frames value but details and objects sometimes show few meters before me ? Comparing this two options of playing give + to 3060 :-/ was good looking and framerate was acceptable. diffirence in com,fort of playing 4070ti super vs 3060 go to 3060 ? i start thinking ,meaby ssd is damaged (LEXAR 1tb 7xx) but also was new ceystal disk looks fine also. And this problem are in almost all games... not only in RDR2. I spend over 24h tryied figured whats going on. Without any results. Even any clue, im 100% sure that somthing is wrong. Even start thinking about bootlneck.... But i read that botlneck should low frames not lod distance and my procesorr dont work on 100% !
All similar topics on forums was not resolved. Problem start showing up many years ago. I can add few links if u want. Also dont find anything on youtube or even on technical platforms. Only not resolved topics on forums...

 

[oxrufiioxo]

yes ,but tell me why on 3060gb 12gbLCR LOD work much better (extremlly better) but was have lower framerate ? Here i have all the time stable high frames value but details and objects sometimes show few meters before me ? Comparing this two options of playing give + to 3060 :-/ was good looking and framerate was acceptable. diffirence in com,fort of playing 4070ti super vs 3060 go to 3060 ? i start thinking ,meaby ssd is damaged (LEXAR 1tb 7xx) but also was new ceystal disk looks fine also. And this problem are in almost all games... not only in RDR2. I spend over 24h tryied figured whats going on. Without any results. Even any clue, im 100% sure that somthing is wrong. Even start thinking about bootlneck.... But i read that botlneck should low frames not lod distance and my procesorr dont work on 100% !
All similar topics on forums was not resolved. Problem start showing up many years ago. I can add few links if u want. Also dont find anything on youtube or even on technical platforms. Only not resolved topics on forums...

I'm not trying to say you're not having issues or that your 3060 wasn't doing a better job than your 4070 with lod draw in. What makes this complicated is it isn't a normal issue for defective hardware. Like for example if vram was the issue you'd get artifacts or poor texture draw in or if your cpu was the culprit you'd be seeing bad framtimes or crashes to desktop or bsod same with ram really. With storage you'd be getting crashes, stutter, or abnormally long load times.

That's what makes these issue difficult and why only in video form will help in trying to diagnose your issue.

 

[Easeful2341]

I'm not trying to say you're not having issues or that your 3060 wasn't doing a better job than your 4070 with lod draw in. What makes this complicated is it isn't a normal issue for defective hardware. Like for example if vram was the issue you'd get artifacts or poor texture draw in or if your cpu was the culprit you'd be seeing bad framtimes or crashes to desktop or bsod same with ram really. With storage you'd be getting crashes, stutter, or abnormally long load times.

That's what makes these issue difficult and why only in video form will help in trying to diagnose your issue.

ok i try do it tommorow, dont know yet where and how i can upload ,a video. Tommorow if i back with Son from hospital not to late i try do this. From that what You say thats sound like a Vram on GPU have some issue. I think about that logicly... I even tested diffirent cable 2 minutes ago.


btw. Im very greatfull for Your answers. Trully Thx.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

ok i try do it tommorow, dont know yet where and how i can upload ,a video. Tommorow if i back with Son from hospital not to late i try do this. From that what You say thats sound like a Vram on GPU have some issue. I think about that logicly... I even tested diffirent cable 2 minutes ago.


btw. Im very greatfull for Your answers. Trully Thx.

Honestly I have no idea what's causing your issue due to it not being somthing a normal hardware defect or even a normal software bug would cause. I've built 100s of systems over the last decade and have never come across this once locally.

To be fair you'd likely need video of before on the 3060 and now on the 4070 to make a good comparison and properly diagnose the problem this is the primary reason I always have 2-3 capable computers that way if I'm seeing an issue or what I think is an issue on one I can verify locally on another.

I've downloaded RDR2 and will run around just so I have a frame of reference the reason I keep mentioning RDR2 is becuase I own the game and hopefully can figure out what going on with it and that will hopefully help you in the other games you're having issues with.

 

[Easeful2341]

first two videos. Cannot record Forza 5 because game crash all the time.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1tRGQiVSgnQLUGYPM0-DpYJGOFSaLOK_p/view?usp=drive_link

RDR2_2024_08_14_12_23_53_905.avi

drive.google.com

download video to see in normal quality

here looks perfect whats going on

Forza Horizon 5 2024-08-14 14-32-50.mp4

drive.google.com

 

[oxrufiioxo]

seeing similar pop in here at the 3m mark.


The issue in RDR2 might be something to do with a corrupted install in combination with using MSAA. Apparently a patch downgraded the visuals even at max settings I ran around in it for about an hour and it looks much worse than i remember. Haven't played since 2019 though so not sure when these updates borked the game.

Trees were not poping in and out in my game but it def look worse than I remember with worse draw distance.

https://www.reddit.com/r/PCRedDead/comments/r6caei

https://www.reddit.com/r/reddeadredemption2/comments/i6x73o


https://www.reddit.com/r/RedDeadOnline/comments/leaur4

Just seems like a bad port in general maybe I didn't notice this back in 2019 dunno. Try deleting the games and reinstalling them would be the only thing I can think of this is most likely a software/game issue not a hardware one.

 

[DeathtoGnomes]

Lemme ask this, was the system upgraded from a 3060 to the 4070 ti super, and is the 4070 bought new or used?

If the system was upgraded try reinstalling the games, they may still be stuck on the 3060, so to speak.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Lemme ask this, was the system upgraded from a 3060 to the 4070 ti super, and is the 4070 bought new or used?

If the system was upgraded try reinstalling the games, they may still be stuck on the 3060, so to speak.

I think it was a whole system upgrade but I am not sure if the whole OS and games were clean installed or not..... But I would delete and reinstall the games as well also run RDR2 in DX12 mode apparently it helps the issue a bit.

 

[Easeful2341]

Lemme ask this, was the system upgraded from a 3060 to the 4070 ti super, and is the 4070 bought new or used?

If the system was upgraded try reinstalling the games, they may still be stuck on the 3060, so to speak.

all was installed from beginning. 4070 is new. OFC was whole system build from beginning... You see this on that videos ? Even on that 3090 LOD looks better... i think.
Now its new highlight. From yesterday when i playing ijn jagged alliance 3 monitor turn completly black to 2-3 seconds and back to game ,many times - often. monitor dont turnn off. Only become black. 2-3 second.

guys. here in tests in 1440p this shitty problem dont showed up. In forza and in RDR2.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Your best bet is to get a replacement 4070ti just to rule that out.

Lods in rdr2 are terrible now so that's probably a poor game to test with.

 

[ir_cow]

Watching both YT and the Ops videos, they look the same really. I see the LOD pop in, so does the YT videos. Could it be that now you have a higher frame-rate, it has become noticeable?

 

[Zach_01]

Still have the game installed and got into it yesterday. (forgot how good those graphics are!)
In normal situation with everything on graphics maxed out you may see some vegetation... I wouldnt say pop up but, appearing slowly in the far far distance while you're riding the horse.
On foot you cant tell anything going on.

What OP describes is totally different and I had some of those too. I think was with Vulcan.
Flowers right around you and tree trunks in close distance pop in and out as you move FOV or changing distance between.
Looks like a bug. If restarting the game or changing to DX12 does not fix it then maybe a file validation or reinstalling it may do so
Also (before messing with installation) I would try (just for testing) to disable XMP/EXPO for DDR5 and see if anything gets better, besides framerate getting worse.

I know this seems like some arbitrary solution/try to fix a graphics issue... but trust me... it can be related as I've seen this on some instances.

 

[Easeful2341]

Watching both YT and the Ops videos, they look the same really. I see the LOD pop in, so does the YT videos. Could it be that now you have a higher frame-rate, it has become noticeable?

i hope not. but lod is lower gpu was fairer then now ! why ?

have the game installed

Still have the game installed and got into it yesterday. (forgot how good those graphics are!)
In normal situation with everything on graphics maxed out you may see some vegetation... I wouldnt say pop up but, appearing slowly in the far far distance while you're riding the horse.
On foot you cant tell anything going on.

What OP describes is totally different and I had some of those too. I think was with Vulcan.
Flowers right around you and tree trunks in close distance pop in and out as you move FOV or changing distance between.
Looks like a bug. If restarting the game or changing to DX12 does not fix it then maybe a file validation or reinstalling it may do so
Also (before messing with installation) I would try (just for testing) to disable XMP/EXPO for DDR5 and see if anything gets better, besides framerate getting worse.

I know this seems like some arbitrary solution/try to fix a graphics issue... but trust me... it can be related as I've seen this on some instances.

i try disabling XMP. thx for advice.

 

[ir_cow]

i try disabling XMP. thx for advice.

Changing the memory won't affect the LOD. I could prevent system crashes though.

One more thing for RDR2 is it supports Vulkan and DX. Which one are you using? There was a bug that ignored the graphical settings and you had to manually set them in the text file. If you made any changes to the graphical settings, it would revert back. Total pain to deal with for benchmarks. A number of times I had to replace the graphical configuration file with my saved one because randomly it reverted.

 

[Easeful2341]

Changing the memory won't affect the LOD. I could prevent system crashes though.

One more thing for RDR2 is it supports Vulkan and DX. Which one are you using? There was a bug that ignored the graphical settings and you had to manually set them in the text file. If you made any changes to the graphical settings, it would revert back. Total pain to deal with for benchmarks. A number of times I had to replace the graphical configuration file with my saved one because randomly it reverted.

i can easly save changes. i tested boath dx12 and vulkan. Now im downloading old version of the game. Will see....
What games You propose to tests ?

 

[ir_cow]

Like I've said a few times, I don't see the problem. I a few things pops in far away. Looks normal to me.

 

[Easeful2341]

Problem is propably resolved. Uff will see after tests but for now evrything looks normally. EUREKA ! I stared thinking that i see problem dont exist In nvidia control panel is option MFAA defoulty off. After on it all bluring and strange textures was gone. Strange but it work. Tress looks normal in RDR2 ,same cars and LOD in Forza Horizon. Must test little more to get sure.

i put video from yesterday and from today to show You diffirence.

yesterday:

RDR2_2024_08_14_12_23_53_905.avi

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now:

RDR2_2024_08_16_07_10_19_540.avi

drive.google.com

gpu is undervolted on second video.

download videos and You see diffirence guys ! THX for help.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

I'll just have to trust your eyes glad you got it figured out and posted the likely culprit if anyone else having this issue finds this thread. Some kind of AA bug in your games for some reason.