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Hi,
Over provision is activated automatically since default mode is power saving.

I leave unallocated space more than 10% usually so this is same as over provisioning is it's just not reserved by sammy so I switched to standard mode

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Hi,
Over provision is activated automatically since default mode is power saving.

I leave unallocated space more than 10% usually so this is same as over provisioning is it's just not reserved by sammy so I switched to standard mode

View attachment 218862
The usual crappy software you know you can expect from Samsung. Wth does overprovisioning have to do with power saving?

I swear if they learned how to code properly (or would buy their software from someone else who does), they could be the next Apple. Probably even better.
 
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The usual crappy software you know you can expect from Samsung. Wth does overprovisioning have to do with power saving?

I swear if they learned how to code properly (or would buy their software from someone else who does), they could be the next Apple. Probably even better.
Hi,
I don't know it also reports free space 20gb lower than free minitool does :/
So even though I switched to standard mode it still hogs 20gb's for over provisioning

Full performance activates rapid mode

Went back to 6.3 now available space matches minitool lol
 

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Hi,
Over provision is activated automatically since default mode is power saving.

I leave unallocated space more than 10% usually so this is same as over provisioning is it's just not reserved by sammy so I switched to standard mode
Yeah, i have both 970 with 50GB unallocated. aren't you using 970 SSDs?
 
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Hi,
Over provision is activated automatically since default mode is power saving.
Which really makes no sense anyway since over-provisioning is built into the firmware at the factory with all SSDs today - or at least all SSDs made by the major brands.

So there's no need to manually add more OP. Just keep watch of your free disk space and, just as we do with hard drives, if you run low, free up space by deleting files or uninstalling programs. Or better yet, buy more disk space.
 
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Lets hope it isnt completely broken like the last release, the latest samsung magician I tried was pretty buggy and had horrible optimisation issues.
 

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Which really makes no sense anyway since over-provisioning is built into the firmware at the factory with all SSDs today - or at least all SSDs made by the major brands.
If so, what's the reason Samsung added
the provisioning option to their tool?
 
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If so, what's the reason Samsung added
the provisioning option to their tool?
Most for marketing fodder.

Why does HP add all sorts of fluff and bloat to their printer software when only a driver is needed? Marketing fodder.

Why does Norton and McAfee add all sorts of fluff and bloat to their antimalware solutions? Features that almost no one ever needs? Marketing fodder.

SSD Over-provisioning (OP) - Kingston Technology

The OP capacity set by the SSD manufacturer

You can find similar articles with Samsung and other makers. OP is built in.

You can use Magician to increase it from the value set at the factory, but again, why? If you "need" to, then the correct solution is really to buy a bigger drive.

Operating systems, including Windows, know how to work with SSDs. And don't forget, SSDs must adhere to industry standards, not Samsung, WD, or Kingston standards. This is why we do NOT need special drivers when using a SSD in our computers.
 
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You can find similar articles with Samsung and other makers. OP is built in.

If you can find proof of that for 970 evo, 860 evo and for the 850 pro I will stop using it in magician.

Show me!
 

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If you can find proof of that for 970 evo, 860 evo and for the 850 pro I will stop using it in magician.
I was writing the same until your post popped up;)
Most for marketing fodder
Silly move from Samsung considering they know very well we don't need magician if we want over provisioning enabled.
 
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No.

You show us where 3rd party software is needed for SSDs running under Windows. You show us where installing Magician improves performance. You show us why Samsung SSDs need extra help.

FTR, I've been running Samsung SSDs on this and two other computers here for years - without Samsung Magician. They are still running just fine.

Samsung Magician is great eye candy. And it has a nice speed test feature. And it works good if you want to get rid of the drive and need to use "secure erase". Other than that, it is bloatware. I can get all the information I need about my SSDs just fine with HWiNFO, for example.

I am NOT saying it is useless. I am saying it is not needed. Operating systems know how to utilizes SSDs just fine.

Don't believe me? Uninstall or disable it and see if your computer breaks.
 

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You show us where 3rd party software is needed for SSDs running under Windows. You show us where installing Magician improves performance. You show us why Samsung SSDs need extra help.
Did i miss something?
No one said anything about Samsung needing a 3rd party software or magician for better performance.
I am lost.
 

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No.

You show us where 3rd party software is needed for SSDs running under Windows. You show us where installing Magician improves performance. You show us why Samsung SSDs need extra help.

FTR, I've been running Samsung SSDs on this and two other computers here for years - without Samsung Magician. They are still running just fine.

Samsung Magician is great eye candy. And it has a nice speed test feature. And it works good if you want to get rid of the drive and need to use "secure erase". Other than that, it is bloatware. I can get all the information I need about my SSDs just fine with HWiNFO, for example.

I am NOT saying it is useless. I am saying it is not needed. Operating systems know how to utilizes SSDs just fine.

Don't believe me? Uninstall or disable it and see if your computer breaks.

Unless it was for updating the firmware i get rid of it. Although i do have OP set still.
 
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Did i miss something?
No one said anything about Samsung needing a 3rd party software or magician for better performance.
Maybe not in those specific words, but others are clearly saying Magician is needed. For day to day use, it is not.
 

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Only reason i use Magician is to update the firmware.
 
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I have Crucial Storage Executive, Samsung Magician and WD Dashboard running, as I have drives from all these manufacturers.
But are they really necessary. Well I believe no.
I use them for checking for firmware updates - but that could be done manually
Also for diverse "Rapid" or "Cache Write Settings" - but is my PC faster - I don't think so, I have uninstalled them all, and no noticeable difference in speed.
And if I check memory resources (Taskmanager and Sysinternals procexp64) they all "eat" between 18 MB to 42 MB, and some harddrive space and a bit of CPU time.
And new OS's handle the TRIM function pretty good - so are not needed for that either.....
So I am a bit sad, I even brought this topic up :oops:
 
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If you can find proof of that for 970 evo, 860 evo and for the 850 pro I will stop using it in magician.

Show me!
The proof is that disk works fine and within expected parameters without installing Magician and manually setting OP.
All benchmarks are done without using manual OP.

I think there is some misconception about OP. All modern SSDs are automatically using free space as OP.
OP is NOT some turbo magic cache.
They obfuscate physical internal memory cell layout - provide to OS virtual "CHS" (you need sectors for FAT) and they manage internal cells layout themselves.
To OS writing 1 bit on SLC, MLC, TLC or QLC disk is the same, but we all know it's actually different on cell physical level. This is why i.e. Windows doesn't even have de-fragment option for SSD, just TRIM.

We also know that as SSD becomes more filled it's becoming slower in writing as it needs to reuse/overwrite/reorganize cells that already have some info there.
Conscious user would then leave some free space by himself so the drive can operate properly, have wear leveling and generally "breathe".

Here comes the OP option - it does the thinking for you. If you set 10% OP then 10% of cells will always be "free" since the partition size will be smaller and disk firmware now communicates to OS 10% less capacity. Even if you fill disk to 100% in OS it's physically 90% (as you can fill only 100% of 90% now with user data).
Why would someone use this? Maybe someone doesn't want to think about it and frequently fills the disk but want to have good performance anyway.
Or better use case would be network environment/shares - even if users fills the disk to 100% of available space it still has good performance.
Conscious user that knows about this doesn't need OP.

BTW graphic in Magican is also misleading because it shows last 10% of disk set as OP - this is not true, those cells position will change over time as disk fills and wear leveling takes place.
 
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