NVIDIA CEO Jensen Huang on Radeon VII: "Underwhelming (...) the Performance is Lousy"; "Freesync Doesn't Work"

[ShurikN]

A lot of people here who do not understand rt and dlss.

What do you mean "do not understand". Did you see DLSS in FF15, it's a mess. What's there to not understand. The evidence is obvious. Not to mention the horrible shimmering.

 

[champsilva]

You'd be too if you lost this much of your market value in 3 months.

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This is mining reason, same happened to amd.

 

[ShurikN]

This is mining reason, same happened to amd.

So? Money lost is money lost, no matter the reason.

Also AMD has much less value, therefore they lost less in pure numbers, not percentages.

 

[Sandbo]

The poll is one of the best follow-up I have seen.

 

[megamanxtreme]

I'll switch Ray Tracing on when a GTX X50 or RX X60 can play at 60fps and at least 1080p with it on.

 

[Anymal]

Its new and inovative tech, you can turn it off if you want, and play on 2080 as on new, the best amd has to offer, the radeon VII. Jensen made his decision after seeing a brand new 7nm gpu with no new features and performance similar to 2080/1080ti which was avaliable almost 2 years ago, gp102 as Titan Xp even more, 2.5 years.

 

[TheDeeGee]

Good to see competition, isn't it?

 

[INSTG8R]

What do you mean "do not understand". Did you see DLSS in FF15, it's a mess. What's there to not understand. The evidence is obvious. Not to mention the horrible shimmering.

Yeah it looks like AMDs MLAA which also just made everything blurry but hey it doesn’t need a $1200 card to do it either...

 

[ShurikN]

Its new and inovative tech, you can turn it off if you want

And now you're stuck with a feature you will not use and one you paid extra for.

 

[Smartcom5]

It Just Works

Yup, like RTX and DLSS …

Smartcom

 

[Anymal]

And now you're stuck with a feature you will not use and one you paid extra for.

You can buy VII and you are safe than. Probably for the same money.

 

[eidairaman1]

Im tired of NVs crap anyway.

 

[Anymal]

Im tired of NVs crap anyway.

Someone please explain how Vega and VII is not a crap.

 

[Argyr]

AMD fanbois will be so angry when in a couple of years RTX becomes standard, and AMD will be forced to adopt it effectively increasing the prices of their hot plastic cards even more.

 

[Casecutter]

"It's a weird launch, maybe they thought of it this morning", he's pissed no one in his company saw this coming and he found out when it was announced? Funny if he took CEO Lisa Su at her word "saying no consumer 7nm in 2019"... who lies to family! It was served cold and hard and he's under HUGE pressure already!

While, Wow just wow no one stop this guy? He thought his stock has been tanking this kind of tantrum from a CEO just drove it off the cliff!

Calling the Vega 7 "underwhelming" it matches the 2080 at the same price, his understanding of the word escape's him. Now while I wait to see reviews, I might say his company delivered "underwhelming"... at such price first. There's never truly bad cards just bad price points.

As to FreeSyn when your company just came out saying they are going to now support the VERSA adaptive Sync it, but says "does not work" I'm not interested in consider using your hardware, i'll go with a proven and working solution. Ah, so get your crack driver team to make it work on your cards, don't blame the an open source VERSA specification you never want to support or give input to, and now that your behind the 8-Ball can't seem to get it to work with your hardware. The chicken came to roost...

It seems like he's seeing AMD doing a "Ryzen" and instead of keeping a "stiff upper lip" like Intel did he freaked out, and this is not near as bad as Intel had it. Navi will be coming soon and I'd want to believe AMD will have more mainstream pricing for parts that does strong 1440p. Then he's realizes he's up against a Navi/HBM2 on 7mm part, and has no idea how that might turn out but is said to be more gaming than a Vega compute architecture. AMD is already proven they can 7mn, so it to be Navi gains on a big chip that's on 7nm, who knows. At this point the next thing might be he found out AMD has product lining up from the "Instinct geldings" and strong HBM2 supplies, and can fill the channel way better the first Vega. Jensen Huang knows AMD is in a better place to work down price if they can maintain strong product levels, while his investors would freak on him.

Find me Popcorn...

 

[Valantar]

Well it is pretty lousy if you see the dozen different freesync ranges on all these monitors. Most of em only have a freesync range between 48hz-75hz. What is the point of that? There is no standard like gsync has. With gsync, the adaptive sync starts from 30hz up to its maximum refresh rate, almost every gsync monitor has a adaptive sync range of 30hz-144hz.

Mind you, my 1440p 165hz gsync monitor only cost me $350. Granted its a TN panel but i use a ColorMunki display calibrator for color accuracy.

Calibration can't make up for a low-gamut panel, but of course there are decent gamut TN panels out there. Just don't look at it from any kind of angle.

As for 48-75Hz, it sure beats locked 60Hz, which is what you'd otherwise get for that price. Added flexibility and higher refresh rates at the same price is a win for me. Would you rather have locked 60p? You're right that the lower bound requirement is an advantage for GSync, but other than that, it's a question of the panel quality. Also, what do you think of all the 60Hz 4k GSync panels? Are they equally useless?

 

[Athlonite]

Jensen to all nVidiots everywhere buy our new shit because it's new shit and it's not AMD

 

[Deleted member 50521]

FuryX plus samsung 32” 1440p Freesync got the occasional pulsing problem. Can’t seem to fix it no matter what i do

 

[Deleted member 158293]

Anybody, but especially a veteran CEO speaking and acting this speaks volumes.

Wow...

 

[Anymal]

Casecutter, VII is as fast as 2080 but on 7nm, 300w tdp. No worries then.

 

[Argyr]

Anybody, but especially a veteran CEO speaking and acting this speaks volumes.

Wow...

He knows Nvidia is superior, if AMD would finally become proper competition maybe he would take back a notch.

Besides, who cares about CEO's nowadays? they are replacable like batteries. He's just a 3D printed bureoucrat

 

[Sasqui]

AMD fanbois will be so angry when in a couple of years RTX becomes standard

You know, that is a good point, they invested in RTX and maybe or maybe not it'll play out well for them. "Standard" is also a good question, since DX12 introduced the RTX API in Win 10, it's still very young. It's all about the ecosystem, meaning how many developers are going to invest time into implementing it when there's only a handful (or maybe one right now... 2080 ti) that can really handle it.

It's not a very compelling story at the moment.

 

[Anymal]

You have missed performance bump, 60fps even on 2060 1080p rtx on.

 

[Vayra86]

Its new and inovative tech, you can turn it off if you want, and play on 2080 as on new, the best amd has to offer, the radeon VII. Jensen made his decision after seeing a brand new 7nm gpu with no new features and performance similar to 2080/1080ti which was avaliable almost 2 years ago, gp102 as Titan Xp even more, 2.5 years.

In the end, 99.99% of all games ever made and to be made does not support this new innovative tech and your performance plummets when you dó use it, or you get a hideous looking AA mode in return for some 'free' performance. So what, realistically, is the added value here in RTX? The promise of something that might someday be nice (wasn't that an AMD punchline since forever)? You're still getting handicapped performance if you do use it - keep that in mind. How many BFV players have RTX ON, I'm very curious. Especially in the MP that the game focuses on.

So the bottom line is that AMD has a competitive product if they can price just under a 2080 which they probably will, in due time at the very least. That means the days of 2080 are numbered, because it is a very large die with some R&D budget behind it, while AMD is surfing the Vega wave they already paid for - dearly I'd say - and they have a smaller die with much better yields per wafer. That alone can offset their HBM2 expenses and create a margin that enables them to move along with any Nvidia price cuts. The only caveat is power consumption, but I'm getting the impression more and more people are willing to overlook that just for giving Nvidia a kick in the arrogant nuts. I would - if I was in the market for such a card.

In the end, Radeon 7 is essentially the long awaited 1080ti performance everyone wanted since the card launched. The 1080ti did that within a 255W power budget (more if you OC)... so how bad is it, really. 7nm is just enough to keep AMD in the game, in quite a convincing way. Its not ideal, but its a counterweight for certain.

 

[Casecutter]

No worries then

I don't say it is a great part or the TDP, but dropping a part that's a cut-down version of Instinct production, is what they have... And I say we wait to see reviews that February 7th is coming up fast.

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