NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1630 Set To Launch Tomorrow

[AusWolf]

Nm is actually very important because it will make the chip smaller, cooler and you won't need any fans for it.

Yeah, look at any Ampere card. They're so advanced that even the smallest 3050 has a power connector and fan(s).

That Turing if shrunk to 4 nm would be a cheap and passively cooled low-profile discrete card.

It still can be if its factory power target is configured right.

 

[ARF]

Yeah, look at any Ampere card. They're so advanced that even the smallest 3050 has a power connector and fan(s).


It still can be if its factory power target is configured right.

The RTX 3050 has a 276 sq. mm die which historically has been used for higher performance tiers.
It is a weird design and product choice - 2560 shaders and 130 watt limit.

But still has small ITX versions:

MSI RTX 3050 AERO ITX Specs | TechPowerUp GPU Database

 

[DoLlyBirD]

Yes it does, in PowerColor and Sapphire flavours (look at my signature). The only thing you're missing is crippled performance in some games with PCI-e 3.0 and older motherboards.

Crippled at pcie 3.0 and would still likely smash this 6pin pcie pointless GPU (IMO) in that scenario, I just find it odd they haven't released it as a LP no pcie option, perhaps NV partners will realise it's true potential, but the 1650 is cheap enough already, this brings little to the table

 

[AusWolf]

Crippled at pcie 3.0 and would still likely smash this 6pin pcie pointless GPU (IMO) in that scenario, I just find it odd they haven't released it as a LP no pcie option, perhaps NV partners will realise it's true potential, but the 1650 is cheap enough already, this brings little to the table

True, the 6400 is about 1650 level performance (the 6500 XT is closer to the 1650 Super) even in PCI-e 3.0, except for a few odd cases.

The RTX 3050 has a 276 sq. mm die which historically has been used for higher performance tiers.
It is a weird design and product choice - 2560 shaders and 130 watt limit.

Exactly. Had it been limited to 75 W with passive and/or low profile options, it would have made more sense. It's just proof that nm isn't everything.

 

[ARF]

Exactly. Had it been limited to 75 W with passive and/or low profile options, it would have made more sense. It's just proof that nm isn't everything.

No, you need to shrink that to 4 nm to make it 75 W.

 

[AusWolf]

No, you need to shrink that to 4 nm to make it 75 W.

No. You need to give it a proper power target and boost table, that's all. Are you aware of the terms "undervolting" and "underclocking"? A chip basically consumes as much or as little power as you want it to (with restrictions such as heat and electron migration of course).

Besides, 75 W on 12 nm is easier to cool than on 4 nm (due to heat density).

 

[DoLlyBirD]

No, you need to shrink that to 4 nm to make it 75 W.

There is a 75w 1650 AIB GPU already? no way this thing should require 6 pin pcie, and will likely hinder sales IMO, users with **30 series GPU's are 1030 SFF/LP systems and this would have been a perfect drop in replacement and upgrade for those customers, seems a bit of a silly move to not release it as a LP/SFF product as there are tons of users waiting for a worthwhile upgrade, hopefully they will all snag a 6400 XT as a kick in the teeth to nvidia at making such a basic business/marketing mistake and they couldn't be blamed, this is up there with the 6500 XT pcie 4x4 debacle

 

[Vayra86]

I measure computer hardware in FPS, seconds and Watts. Not in nm.

Well apparently there's too many Watts for slot power alone and too little FPS to call it proper gaming. I wouldn't game for a second on it

Whereas a 1050ti could be called half a gaming card.

 

[DoLlyBirD]

Well apparently there's too many Watts for slot power alone and too little FPS to call it proper gaming. I wouldn't game for a second on it

Whereas a 1050ti could be called half a gaming card.

See my reply, if you can release a 1650 at <75w then you can definitely release a 1630 that doesn't require external power, seems an odd choice, 12nm isn't the issue.

 

[Dr. Dro]

See my reply, if you can release a 1650 at <75w then you can definitely release a 1630 that doesn't require external power, seems an odd choice, 12nm isn't the issue.

From what I can understand, the intended design for the 1630 is a 75W one, with premium options requiring external power - just like the GTX 1050 Ti. Either way, we'll know more soon

 

[aQi]

Cant see a good point to release this card at this time.
When gpu shortage outraged Nvidia started pulling out 1050ti all of a sudden. 150$ as a replacement to 1050ti. Dont seem to see much on this.

 

[ARF]

See my reply, if you can release a 1650 at <75w then you can definitely release a 1630 that doesn't require external power, seems an odd choice, 12nm isn't the issue.

You can release a 20-watt version. The thing is that it is old, 2016 technology. Everyone that wanted it, got it long long time ago.

 

[Vayra86]

From what I can understand, the intended design for the 1630 is a 75W one, with premium options requiring external power - just like the GTX 1050 Ti. Either way, we'll know more soon

Imagine buying yourself a 'premium' 1630 though

 

[Dr. Dro]

You can release a 20-watt version. The thing is that it is old, 2016 technology. Everyone that wanted it, got it long long time ago.

The GTX 1650 released in April 2019, and the big Turing (RTX 20 series) released a year prior, though. And I disagree, people still buy junk like the HD 5450 in third-world markets, why not a 1630?

Imagine buying yourself a 'premium' 1630 though

Heh, fundamentally, I agree, but if the price is right... its predecessors had some interesting designs, for example:

Galaxy GTX 750 Ti Hall of Fame Specs

NVIDIA GM107, 1085 MHz, 640 Cores, 40 TMUs, 16 ROPs, 2048 MB GDDR5, 1350 MHz, 128 bit

www.techpowerup.com

EVGA GTX 1050 Ti FTW ACX 3.0 Specs

NVIDIA GP107, 1493 MHz, 768 Cores, 48 TMUs, 32 ROPs, 4096 MB GDDR5, 1752 MHz, 128 bit

www.techpowerup.com

I just think of them as "cute", but they definitely fell off the value curve back then, and it's not like we are back at the point where GPUs are cheap enough to justify things like that existing anymore.

 

[BlaezaLite]

Surely there will be "Super" and "Ti" versions too?

 

[AusWolf]

Well apparently there's too many Watts for slot power alone and too little FPS to call it proper gaming. I wouldn't game for a second on it

Whereas a 1050ti could be called half a gaming card.

I expect this thing to be around 1050 Ti level in performance. If it's on the same level in power consumption, too, that's quite sad.

 

[PLAfiller]

There's even a reintroduction of DVI on this baby, man I had half expected a VGA next to it.

DVI is present on all GTX1650 apart from may be Gainward/ Galax which usually have all HDMI+DP. It is not uncommon in this class I think. Many GTX1650 Super also utilize DP+HDMI+DVI as a standard output range. I don't like it either and whenever I have a choice I go for no DVI output.

 

[ppn]

1650 - 2019.Apr - $149
1630 - 2022.Jun - $149

So when can we expect a GTX 3030. probably in 2025 and pay the same $249

Now if they shrinked 1660Ti to 6nm with G6X retailing for $66 that would be a good deal.

 

[ARF]

The GTX 1650 released in April 2019, and the big Turing (RTX 20 series) released a year prior, though. And I disagree, people still buy junk like the HD 5450 in third-world markets, why not a 1630?

I said 2016 because it will fall around the GTX 1050 performance:

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1630 Specs | TechPowerUp GPU Database

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Specs | TechPowerUp GPU Database

 

[Chrispy_]

Of course not, this is estimated by the same algorithm that we've been using for years, which usually works better than I expected when I wrote it

Cool, good to know.

I'm all for educated guesses and estimates. If anything, its even more interesting to estimate first because when a GPU differs in the real world testing from its estimates, you can start to dig into deeper reasons for the deviation and uncover shenanigans.

Case in point, GTX970 3.5GB fiasco, or GTX 550Ti's asymmetrical RAM layout....

 

[Wirko]

There's going to be slot-powered models of the 1630, right?

As long as they eat less power than you do, amiright?