NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Super FE and Custom Design Unboxing

[WonkoTheSaneUK]

Buy a 180 deg connector.

Cablemod recently recalled theirs because melty.

 

[Pepamami]

$475. With old 8-pin power connectors, or no deal. Get bent nGreedia.

new connector is not a big deal with new PSUs, the best part of this card - it has 256bit, so its has less ngreedia, than 4070 with awful192bit

 

[flamethrower1972]

There are other company's that make connectors like this one for insisnsist.Thermal Grizzly WireView GPU Power Consumption Meter (thermal-grizzly.com)

 

[The Shield]

I expected nothing and got nothing: for me prices - without VAT! - are really too high. I'm not interested in these "launch" anymore.

 

[Assimilator]

@W1zzard is the FE a 2- or 3-slot card? This isn't mentioned in your piece.

 

[N/A]

It's better than expected. 4070 ti ish performance got 200 cheaper and 4080 ish got a 400 discount. What more could you possibly want. The way it goes next year 5070 is a mini itx 4080 at half the price.

 

[Assimilator]

The way it goes next year 5070 is a mini itx 4080 at half the price.

But the AMD fanboys keep telling me that NVIDIA offers no generational improvements!

 

[theouto]

But the AMD fanboys keep telling me that NVIDIA offers no generational improvements!

To be fair to those guys, the 4060 doesn't beat the 3060ti

And the 5000 series doesn't exist yet, so the future will have to tell, the pricing will tell too
(Also, please let's not accuse anyone of fanboy-ism!)

 

[Dr. Dro]

To be fair to those guys, the 4060 doesn't beat the 3060ti
View attachment 328960
And the 5000 series doesn't exist yet, so the future will have to tell, the pricing will tell too
(Also, please let's not accuse anyone of fanboy-ism!)

While you have a valid point as far as released, branded products go, I'll pitch a counterargument that the generational leap of Ada was so large that they're upselling the hardware by several tiers to maximize profit margins instead.

RTX 4060 = fully enabled AD107, which is the smallest tier of GPU behind AD106, AD104, AD103 and AD102
RTX 3060 Ti = 80% of GA104 (38 out of 48 SMs enabled), for the Ampere generation this being the second largest die only behind GA102

The gulf between these cards is about two entire tiers of silicon(!), the only negative is that this did not translate into the 4060 being sold for what it is, a "vanilla 4050 non-Ti" at best.

 

[tussinman]

the best part of this card - it has 256bit, so its has less ngreedia, than 4070 with awful192bit

No the 4070 Super is still keeping the same 192bit bus as the regular 4070. Your confusing it with the 4070 Ti Super

 

[Prima.Vera]

WTF is an unboxing review, and why would anyone care about that?!

Please, a video card is NOT a mobile phone. We don't care about the looks, just the performance figures.

 

[theouto]

We don't care about the looks, just the performance figures.

Now you speak for yourself there sir, I understand those that just care for the speed, but dammit if this thing is gonna be on my peripheral vision at all times, and it can look nice, then I like it looking nice.

 

[ThrashZone]

WTF is an unboxing review, and why would anyone care about that?!

Please, a video card is NOT a mobile phone. We don't care about the looks, just the performance figures.

Hi,
Yeah seems like an extended closer look.
Unboxing is youtube stuff.

 

[theouto]

While you have a valid point as far as released, branded products go, I'll pitch a counterargument that the generational leap of Ada was so large that they're upselling the hardware by several tiers to maximize profit margins instead.

RTX 4060 = fully enabled AD107, which is the smallest tier of GPU behind AD106, AD104, AD103 and AD102
RTX 3060 Ti = 80% of GA104 (38 out of 48 SMs enabled), for the Ampere generation this being the second largest die only behind GA102

The gulf between these cards is about two entire tiers of silicon(!), the only negative is that this did not translate into the 4060 being sold for what it is, a "vanilla 4050 non-Ti" at best.

Oh yeah, definitely, the generational improvement is genuinely there in the silicon, ADA as an architecture is amazing, but like you pointed out (and something I also mentioned in another post), they've turned to maximizing profits, so they get all the benefits of the generational leap while we don't, and if we want them, we have to pay ridiculous prices. I wholeheartedly agree with what you said.

 

[Pepamami]

WTF is an unboxing review, and why would anyone care about that?!

Please, a video card is NOT a mobile phone. We don't care about the looks, just the performance figures.

wdym, a lot of people using this bad taste Glass cases with less EM shielding, where u can see ur GPU, so it means for some one how gpu looks like.

 

[Assimilator]

WTF is an unboxing review, and why would anyone care about that?!

Please, a video card is NOT a mobile phone. We don't care about the looks, just the performance figures.

It's something that stokes anticipation and therefore drives traffic. At the end of the day, W1zz needs to pay for storing all the bytes of crap we write here.

 

[Paramount]

the new super series look promising but the 12v cable burning make me think twice
any way , waiting to see the changes in prices of RX7900 series

 

[MarsM4N]

I'm disappointed that Nvidia is forcing the stupid 12V HPWR connector on partner models. It's a provably worse connector than 8-pins and utterly pointless on cards pulling less than 375W.

And that's the whole irony of the 12VHPWR connector. Invented for power hungry high end cards (where it's melting), pointless for lower end cards (where it doesn't melt).

Tbh. I think the connector wouldn't be a issue if they would use a more solid locking mechanism and/or place the connector on the front of the card instead of the side. Bet most burn up because there is just not enough space in the case, users close the side panel which pushes/bends the cable & reduces the contact of the pins. A classic PCIe connector sits just more solid due it's size, that's why you don't see problems there.

 

[Chrispy_]

And that's the whole irony of the 12VHPWR connector. Invented for power hungry high end cards (where it's melting), pointless for lower end cards (where it doesn't melt).

Tbh. I think the connector wouldn't be a issue if they would use a more solid locking mechanism and/or place the connector on the front of the card instead of the side. Bet most burn up because there is just not enough space in the case, users close the side panel which pushes/bends the cable & reduces the contact of the pins. A classic PCIe connector sits just more solid due it's size, that's why you don't see problems there.

It's nothing to do with space.

Connectors have a (low, but not zero) resistance. For the size they are, 8 Amps is simply too much current for the resistance of those tiny connectors in the extra-dinky 12V HPWR connector, which turns the connector into a heater.

Much of of that "up to code" stuff about your home wiring is about wire gauge and Amps. Too many Amps in not enough wire burns your house down and Nvidia seems to have ignored that entirely.

 

[chrcoluk]

Noticed a 16 gig 4070 ti super on that table, does that have extra encoder chips like the 4080?

 

[Dr. Dro]

Noticed a 16 gig 4070 ti super on that table, does that have extra encoder chips like the 4080?

It's based on a cut-down AD103, so it's likely that yes. If not, then it's artificially disabled.

 

[lexluthermiester]

WTF is an unboxing review, and why would anyone care about that?!

Because it's fun to see what's coming? How do you not get that?

Please, a video card is NOT a mobile phone. We don't care about the looks, just the performance figures.

Speak for yourself! I care about how cards look because many of the cases I put cards into have Windows and how the components look, video cards included, matters! So if you don't get it, that's cool. You do you. The rest of us will enjoy the show.

It's something that stokes anticipation and therefore drives traffic. At the end of the day, W1zz needs to pay for storing all the bytes of crap we write here.

Yeah, there's likely some of that going on too. Not a bad thing either. Let's face facts, sites like TPU help drive sales and people like us help spread "word of mouth". It's very effective marketing and can be very positive for everyone involved.

None of Geforce RTX4000 owner on TPU has reported any case of connector melting

Oh really. You haven't been paying attention then.

 

[MarsM4N]

It's nothing to do with space.

Connectors have a (low, but not zero) resistance. For the size they are, 8 Amps is simply too much current for the resistance of those tiny connectors in the extra-dinky 12V HPWR connector, which turns the connector into a heater.

Much of of that "up to code" stuff about your home wiring is about wire gauge and Amps. Too many Amps in not enough wire burns your house down and Nvidia seems to have ignored that entirely.

That's right, it's not about space. It's about pins not making proper contact, which happens f.e. if you bent the cable at the connector when closing your side panel.

Just do the maths. First they warned of bending the cable, then they said cables where not fully inserted, then they changed the lock mechanism and the latest change was new pins. It's clearly not about the diameter of the cable or the pins, they can push easily 600+W without getting hot.

 

[lexluthermiester]

That's right, it's not about space. It's about pins not making proper contact, which happens f.e. if you bent the cable at the connector when closing your side panel.

Just do the maths. First they warned of bending the cable, then they said cables where not fully inserted, then they changed the lock mechanism and the latest change was new pins. It's clearly not about the diameter of the cable or the pins, they can push easily 600+W without getting hot.

The fact that they had to make all those changes and warnings is evidence of the poorly engineered state of the connector. The standard PCIe connector did not have ANY of those issues.

 

[sLowEnd]

I don't get all the bickering about the 12vhpwr connector for this particular card. The connector is plenty capable of handling a card of this caliber without melting.

WTF is an unboxing review, and why would anyone care about that?!

Please, a video card is NOT a mobile phone. We don't care about the looks, just the performance figures.

Lots of people care about looks. Why do you think cases plastered with tempered glass (some to the point of seriously impeding airflow), sleeved cable adapters, cable combs, and RGB has gotten so popular these days? Why aren't Gigabyte boards rainbow lego coloured anymore? It's all about looks.