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NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4080 Founders Edition

Very nice uplift in performance over previous gen, very reasonable power consumption, but price is less than palatable. Unfortunately for us, this trend may continue for the following reasons: 1. rich people/streamer/influencers are moving to PC gaming, 2. cost insensitive companies are getting graphics cards for their AI/ML implementations, 3. TSMC is starting to charge increasingly large fees due to their market position and the R&D required for the next node shrink.
 
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... but all this proves is that prices vary. Is anyone denying that?

... and that is precisely what is being criticized. For-profit investing is a parasitic blemish on society, and does literally noting but bring about harm, including harming the core operations of the businesses they invest in by twisting them from "make good products" to "make as much money as possible, however you can". That's literally the entire point. You keep acting as if this is somehow just a law of nature rather than people making conscious choices within societal and legal frameworks that can either allow this or not. There are many, many ways of stopping this, and it's only through more than half a century of gradually implemented neoliberal politics that this type of profiteering has become possible at all. Please stop pretending as if this is just the way things are. It's the willed outcome of extremely wealthy and powerful people pushing politics in a specific direction for a long, long time in order to better their own situation at the cost of everyone else. And that can actually be changed, at least for those of us who don't live in dictatorships.
And so? You can also become an investor. You start from zero and become a multimillionaire, if your head helps. Or you can ignore them and DON'T BUY!
Another way is to help Putin establish his new world order, or to implement communism, under the motto: RTX 4090 for all the people. :peace::peace::peace::peace::peace::peace:
Do you think you will change something with the girls on the forum?

I'm serious, maybe a devastating war would wake us up to reality. Maybe that's how we'll understand that a processor, video card or laptop is not a vital organ or a medicine that saves our lives and the scoundrels sell it at an unreasonably high price. They're just gadgets. We can survive without them or we can replace them with something cheaper.
 
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Another way is to help Putin establish his new world order, or to implement communism, under the motto: RTX 4090 for all the people.

Plot twist; The R in RTX stood for Russia all along.
 
And so? You can also become an investor. You start from zero and become a multimillionaire, if your head helps. Or you can ignore them and DON'T BUY!
Yes, 'cause the only two valid courses of action here are either to wholeheartedly jump in for the ride, or to passively check out entirely. Yep. Makes sense. Like, can anyone even think of options outside of this?

Seriously, how limited is your imagination? What is it that makes you think in such extremely rigid and strict patterns, where people are rendered so utterly powerless as to either have the choice between going along with whatever is happening in the world, or checking out entirely? How, precisely, do you think things happen in the world, besides people getting off their butts and doing things?
Another way is to help Putin establish his new world order, or to implement communism, under the motto: RTX 4090 for all the people. :peace::peace::peace::peace::peace::peace:
Do you think you will change something with the girls on the forum?
... so, let's see, you're saying a nationalist, fascist proto-dictator will implement an ideology he has literally nothing in common with, and that people arguing that we should be actively criticizing exploitative corporations are secretly vying for this, but not saying it out loud, in order to impress girls? It's damn impressive how you manage to cram so much sheer stupidity into two sentences, really.
 
Looking at the performance increase to the previous series and performance without enhancers like DLSS 3.0 and RT this card is really worth ~ 899$.
Of course with the use RT and DLSS 3.0 and compared to AMD cards the increase is greater. However, the quality of new effects with use of RT is sometimes unsatisfactory and sometimes the opposite in terms of effects. After all, not every city is plunged into rain all the time, not every surface is glass or metallic :rolleyes:
And while playing, we enjoy beautiful graphics but we don't search for individual differences after first hour or two, especially since many effects can be obtained without RT and then the performance is not literally "slaughtered". (How owners of the RTX 2000-3000 even the RTX 3090Ti feel right now ? :banghead:)

The card is undoubtedly more efficient than the previous serie, but it is hard to resist the impression that the lack of DLSS 3.0 for both RTX series is not accidental. In a way, the RTX 20xx series becomes useless because its overall performance with RT in 2K and 4K is very low today. According to various tests, the increase in performance is about 50-60%, when looking at the RTX 3080 and the previous series, this result meant no more than about a 50% increase in price from the previous series. Looking at the RTX 4080 performance, memory bus, bandwidth, number of cores, a price of 899$ would be acceptable. Everything above is absurd and the aftermath of cryptocurrencies, pandemics and shortages of supplies and price increases at a time when every consumer and company were buying everything that was left in the stores.
If someone is not forced, he will overpay about even 30% of the price-performance ratio GTX/RTX xx80 in the case of the new series. Especially since only RT and DLSS 3.0 give a lot of it. So far we see top cards, probably many would like to see efficient cards at friendly prices like GTX 960, hits like GTX 970 (even GTX 1070), which allowed to play comfortably with good performance at an affordable price.
 
Looking at the RTX 4080 performance, memory bus, bandwidth, number of cores, a price of 899$ would be acceptable. Everything above is absurd and the aftermath of cryptocurrencies, pandemics and shortages of supplies and price increases at a time when every consumer and company were buying everything that was left in the stores.
If someone is not forced, he will overpay about even 30% of the price-performance ratio GTX/RTX xx80 in the case of the new series. Especially since only RT and DLSS 3.0 give a lot of it. So far we see top cards, probably many would like to see efficient cards at friendly prices like GTX 960, hits like GTX 970 (even GTX 1070), which allowed to play comfortably with good performance at an affordable price.


Even that sounds a sure way for a 10.000 USD flagship cards in a couple of generations, although a bit slower than with 70% price increase every generation.

;-)
 
It is not measured by the meter. In 4k, even 10 fps more can make you happy. You will not notice differences in 1080p or 1440p, where the counter exceeds 100 fps, but at higher resolutions it changes the page.
Of course, everyone has their own options. It can play excrementably in 4K or invest in a video card that will give it at least a decent experience.


Except for the adapter, I can't understand you. Did you pay attention to the temperatures? They could offer you a 0.5 Kg flea with 85-95 degrees, for the feeling.
The heavy weight comes from the best performing cooler that a founder edition has had so far. At 300-400W you should have SSD temperatures, priceless.
Its clear you don't understand all of what things really mean in GPU land, let me elaborate.

- They can't offer a 0.5 Kg flea because Nvidia's GPUs want to run <80C for correct boost properties. And Nvidia wants their cards to boost as they do, because economically, that makes a lot more sense than baking even bigger monolithic dies. You're turning reality around, saying they've blessed the 4090/4080 with a 3 slot, 2.1Kg monster. I say, its the only way they're going to deliver on their wanted performance gap to Ampere. They need high clocks and relatively large dies on the smallest available node to release a worthwhile chip. That story won't last, unless you desire a 4 slotter next time.

- Previous FE coolers had a different approach: they were blowers that throttled like nobody's business. But, Nvidia cannot do that anymore, as described and proven, they need these cards to boost to even be remotely competitive / worthwhile compared to last gen. This is further underlined by the fact they're reshuffling their Ampere stack below the 4080. There isn't any point in releasing more, and their margins will suffer if they push volume on 4nm.

- Price makes or breaks a product unless you have more money than sense. You can fill in for yourself what you have more of now; I hope you'll be wiser after this post. 1200 for this product is way beyond sensible, has no relation to economic developments, no relation to a sensible price increase compared to previous gen, and every relation to Nvidia pushing the highest margin in Geforce history. Margin you're happily paying, apparently, to chase 10 FPS in 4K that can be gained by changing a few game settings too.

- Everyone has their own options yes, but that's a different stance than considering what is good or bad about a product. I would hope you can separate those two things, I do.

- There is no different measurement for 4K. You're talking about the gap to reach 60 FPS steady so 'it is playable'... guess what. You can tweak settings on 4K to hit 60. Or 120. Nothing changes the page anywhere but your own emotional attachment to draggin a quality slider all the way to the right. Its emotion. Not rationale.

Top end performance is, was and will never be special in GPU land, because gen-to-gen performance increases need to land where it matters for games to really make use of it. By the time there is enough content to really enjoy that extra performance in a meaningful way (something more than moving from V High to Ultra settings), your top priced GPU is already yesterday's news. Software chases hardware, and devs look at market share for hardware performance levels to determine what's sensible to build. Heck, even state of the art RT is added to games post release, go figure. Nowhere is there a cutting-edge piece of content that is really challenging today's hardware. The days of Crysis are over and they ain't coming back, we've seen what happened to Crytek. Crysis is that perfect example proving all of the above: people most played that game years later, when they had GPUs that could run it proper. Name me one game that has that quality today.
 
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40 series is a bluff just like 20 series because thay can ride the wave even if it's gone. And then 30 and in this case 50 will save the day. 3070 msrp at 40% of 2080Ti. 5070 same performance as 4080 Ti at only a fraction of the price.
 
I still believe Nvidia's gaming department is now run by crypto enthusiasts. Right now they are rolling in piles of cash from 2020 and 2021 crypto peak, and it should provide enough coke and hookers for them to wait for another crypto bull run. And lowering prices now would only hurt the revenue when the big buying starts, you have to have the right pricing position, I'm sure they have the calculations. Don't look at the falling revenue now, think of the extra profit! In the meantime they can always blame the picky whining gamers. And what if the next crypto wave doesn't come with such an enthusiasm for mining on home GPUs? Well, it worked so far...
 
Introducing RTX 4080 Flounders edition priced at least at $1200, occupying 3 slots in your case for that 10% improvement over RTX 3090 Ti with lower thermals, but it's a smaller semiconductor node and with large on-chip cache, so not really impressive. Still waiting for the Hoseron RX 7900.
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Introducing RTX 4080 Flounders edition priced at least at $1200, occupying 3 slots in your case for that 10% improvement over RTX 3090 Ti with lower thermals, but it's a smaller semiconductor node and with large on-chip cache, so not really impressive. Still waiting for the Hoseron RX 7900.
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Flounders edition? Three slots? OMG Ngreedia marketing is lying again. Flounders are flat! That's literally the whole point of that fish. Man, you can't trust anything these days.
 
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Ooooooooooooffffff.

And two minutes later:
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Nvidia's UK site sold out in 20 seconds. I watched it.
 
Same as 4090, initially stock is limited but will be widely available most likely by Jan at the latest...
 
@W1zzard you got to add 3dmark speedway to the suite
Is it fun to play? Because I really only test games, you know, things that are relevant for gamers ;)

Wizzard is giving out awards like he's trying to dump his coins/tokens before the next impending crypto crash.
I do not own any crypto, have never owned any, it's not an interesting investing vehicle for me
 
They cut it down too much leaving space for the Ti product. Like they knew the RDNA3 performance like months before.

I don't like these sort of games... especially for the inflated price. Please let us not be naïve about and think that each camp doesn't know it does.
 
Since the new gen doesn’t replace the cards below 1000, we are stagnating and that’s why the 3080 price hasn’t been affected 2 years after the release.
That's nvidia for you my friend. I recently grabbed a RX 6800 XT for $530 :D for my office pc.
 
It's only a parallel. Your crypto ownership (or lack thereof) has nothing to do with the joke.
You call that a joke?
 
Is it fun to play? Because I really only test games, you know, things that are relevant for gamers ;)


I do not own any crypto, have never owned any, it's not an interesting investing vehicle for me
+250 street cred XP earned
 
RT is brute force in the end
That's what i've been saying since 3000 series, they do no "improve" the rt prowess, they just add moar!!
 
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Ooooooooooooffffff.

And two minutes later:
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I hope this didn't come as a surprise to anyone. I thought Nvidia said inventory for this model was going to be limited, less than the 4090......or am I remembering wrong?

Either way, I fully expected limited availability to help push scarcity to warrant the extremely high prices these cards are listed for and make people think the demand is off the charts.
 
Only 10 generations later a GeForce 100 series flagship would cost over 14.000 dollars in 2010. And of course a proper price for Ada flagship less than 20 generations after GeForce 256 would be half a million dollars. And only two generations later we'll be over one million, so better buy now!

Still sounds logical to have the same or even worse price increase as performance increase?
If people were smart enough to understand this, the 4090 would be $800 at most.
 
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