NVIDIA Points Intel Raptor Lake CPU Users to Get Help from Intel Amid System Instability Issues

[Voodoo Rufus]

I've had some WHEA BSODs at random, I fully understand it's supposed to be a hardware issue, but the one thing I noticed is that Discord was the trigger and whenever it was about to happen, the checkerboarding problem on Chromium (one of the rare few persistent NVIDIA driver bugs) would go out of control. Closing the Discord client all but fixed it.

Most mobo manufacturers have recently released a new BIOS that optimizes undervolting on Raptor and brings some additional stability improvements, you should see if ASUS made that available for you already. MSI posted it for my MEG Z690 ACE yesterday.



Worst is that i'm not even radicalized, it's a reflection of my own experience.

I'm definitely going to flash to the newest BIOS this evening and check the CPU power settings. My errors are black screen crashes necessitating a hard reboot.

 

[Onasi]

Hi,
Well xmp profiles are well known to kick the voltages up and so does multicore enhancement which is also enabled when xmp profile is so does this qualify as stock if not people are wasting a lot of money on higher than standard memory speeds hehe

That’s actually part of improper behavior we are talking about. MCE definitely should not be enabled automatically with XMP.

 

[Daven]

The AMD melting chips/socket issue a while back was something you could actually blame on AMD, because it was their AGESA/EXPO algorithms that were causing the overvolting.

Nice try.

In reality, both AMD and Intel have a lot of collaboration with the motherboard companies. Very little is solely the fault of one or the other. Both this problem and the AMD problem are both solvable by BIOS updates and/or BIOS setting changes. Only brand loyalists try to deflect blame when in most instances the largest companies will try to place blame on the littlest companies if possible.

 

[pressing on]

I'm definitely going to flash to the newest BIOS this evening and check the CPU power settings. My errors are black screen crashes necessitating a hard reboot.

The latest BIOS includes "...Further optimized CEP settings when disabled". It might be worth setting IA CEP to Disabled and seeing if that helps.

 

[Ruru]

Doesn't surprise me at all since they're basically factory-overclocked to their maximum and Intel themselves have said that 100C temps are totally normal.

Now AMD is having platform issues with its CPUs and games. And they just recently had GPU driver crashes in a gaming tournament.

PGL Investigating GeForce RTX 4080 GPU Driver Crash, Following Esports Event Disruption | TechPowerUp}

Why would anyone buy AMD with so many problems? An Intel-Nvidia platform is much more stable.

I don't want my PC to be an unstable heater with a fire hazard power connector.

Spoiler

Shouldn't answer to a troll but that was just a too tempting bait

 

[THU31]

No issues with my 13600KF since I upgraded 10 months ago, but I have E-cores disabled and I have a 125 W power limit (which can only be reached with Prime95, games never even get close to 100 W).

I've seen streamers have problems with the 14900K, especially in UE5 games. But those CPUs are completely ridiculous for gaming, especially with default BIOS settings which usually have some crazy things enabled.

 

[mkppo]

Well, it's easy to pin the blame on motherboard manufacturers and rightfully so most of the time. Problem here is that these 'not stock' settings on intel platforms are extremely prevalent and intel hasn't done anything to stop this. In fact, many reviewers also use these non stock settings in their reviews. So it's a case at times where an unstable (or heavily degrading) Intel CPU is being compared against a stable AMD one simply because it's not done on the AMD camp anymore. Lazy motherboard manufacturers pumping stupid volts to get their EXPO settings stable is a thing of the past, thankfully.

Also, for the AMD CPU deaths in the past, you had to enable expo manually in the BIOS for the issue to occur. But on Intel it's the opposite, you pretty much have to change BIOS settings to revert to stock on Intel CPU's. for the issue to not occur That really shouldn't be the case and I wonder how many CPU's were affected by this degradation. I know a friend whose 13900K is having stability issues all of a sudden after a year or so, and he's been using 'stock' ASUS motherboard settings. Absolutely unacceptable, and I wonder why this hasn't been caught by Intel after what, 18 months? Aren't they supposed to be testing the CPU's over time along with the motherboard manufacturers? Maybe if they focused less on extracting 200mhz for 150W more power they'd have figured it out by now.

 

[xorbe]

I feel like we're going through that phase again where both cpu and gpu vendors are pushing the limits a bit too hard. Well, not AMD cpus, but their power is also creeping up again iirc. Sometimes I think my next PC should be a 95W cpu + sub 200W gpu, performance be d4mned.

 

[Dr. Dro]

Nice try.

In reality, both AMD and Intel have a lot of collaboration with the motherboard companies. Very little is solely the fault of one or the other. Both this problem and the AMD problem are both solvable by BIOS updates and/or BIOS setting changes. Only brand loyalists try to deflect blame when in most instances the largest companies will try to place blame on the littlest companies if possible.

While what you said is true, AMD is still exclusively responsible for AGESA and all of its bugs, no motherboard manufacturer has any involvement in that. So yes, the CPUs burning up, the screwed up memory training, all of that is only on AMD and no one else.

 

[THU31]

I feel like we're going through that phase again where both cpu and gpu vendors are pushing the limits a bit too hard. Well, not AMD cpus, but their power is also creeping up again iirc. Sometimes I think my next PC should be a 95W cpu + sub 200W gpu, performance be d4mned.

This is my new strategy. In games I'm averaging ~50 W on the 13600KF and ~130 W on the undervolted 4070. And I play at a capped 4K60 (usually with upscaling), so utilization is almost never maxed out.

And I don't buy games at launch anymore. They run much better after a few months worth of patches, and you get a nice discount. If a game is too heavy for my config, I'll play it after the next upgrade.

 

[Geofrancis]

While what you said is true, AMD is still exclusively responsible for AGESA and all of its bugs, no motherboard manufacturer has any involvement in that. So yes, the CPUs burning up, the screwed up memory training, all of that is only on AMD and no one else.

AMD at least have finally set hard limits for motherboard auto overclocking after the x3d chips started getting killed by the same overvoltage bs motherboard manufacturers have done to both Intel and AMD, they have done it for decades, MCE, fsb overclocking, etc.

The main difference is that its all enabled by default on intel boards, with AMD you need to enable it.

 

[mechtech]

"motherboard makers often run the CPU outside of Intel's default spec,"

default should = to specification

If they can't do this and/or don't do this, they should not be in the motherboard business.

 

[Psychoholic]

Neither of my i9's have these issues.

My 14900K is locked to intel limits though, Asus default settings were insane.
My 13900HX of course is low power being in a laptop.

Both are rock solid stable.

 

[P4-630]

Have to wait and see once I upgrade to i7 14700K on my Z690 Aorus Master..
I mean ..I've got the VRM's but.. Wait and see..

 

[OolongGoat]

I was having random hard locks and resets when I first put my intel system together. Though I am currently using a Beta BIOS from MSI and have locked in the stock limits as specified by Intel. I haven't had any issues really since. Been about 2 months now. I get the occasional hard lock due to Nvidia Driver failure when certain video playback is occurring (Discord Streaming and some embedded videos on web pages).

I researched this quite a bit and found a post on Reddit talking about it and then a video by De8auer who talked about this issue too.

I would highly recommend folks manually set the stock limits for their respective processors and give it a go. For the longest time, I thought it was my RAM but nope, it was the CPU and voltages/currents that the motherboard was trying to force.

 

[Redwoodz]

Simply not true though.

That does not explain away the reason why these mobo's are pushing the limits. Intel's best current process is a power hog. That is the design fault.

 

[Dr. Dro]

Have to wait and see once I upgrade to i7 14700K on my Z690 Aorus Master..
I mean ..I've got the VRM's but.. Wait and see..

Make sure you update the BIOS beforehand. The older microcodes will try to initialize 4 e-core clusters on the 14700K, and this will fail as only 3 are enabled in the chip.

 

[P4-630]

Make sure you update the BIOS beforehand. The older microcodes will try to initialize 4 e-core clusters on the 14700K, and this will fail as only 3 are enabled in the chip.

I'm on the latest BIOS. Thanks.

 

[Chaitanya]

Tbh it's past time for the CPU makers to have some words with the motherboard makers regarding this.

Time to put motherboard makers on leash was when Shitsus started to blow up X3D chips and the fact that even after that saga neither AMD nor Intel have talked with them is quite concerning.

 

[Bwaze]

Nobody is putting anybody "on the leash".

Reviewers, and consumers, award motherboard makers for even a fraction faster performance - but we know it's just an out of spec setting, a factory overclock. Do you have instabilities, or has your PC just died because of that? That's the part of being in PC Glorious Master Race - you gambled with a cutting edge, and got cut.

The fact is that Intel for several generations now advertises one set of settings when they talk about efficiency, but quite another when they talk about performance. Some reviewers have even gone so far that they hid they used different motherboard settings for different measurements - and later claimed they didn't have to disclose that, because they are all "stock" - some are stock Intel recommended settings, other are stock settings motherboards set as default.

Intel of course knows and validates all the overclock that's going on. And when motherboard vendors finally go too far, they can always wash their hands, point out to them, and claim... Ignorance? Amnesia?

It's nice to have your cake and eat it too, to claim efficient CPUs that barely sip electricity, and on the other hand to claim performance crown (in select areas we proclaim are the only ones relevant), even for the sake of making extremely hot, extremely power hungry products that are destroying themselves in their default settings - "It wasn't our setting!"

 

[Outback Bronze]

It's interesting who's to blame when you see something like this:

RTX 4090s continue to melt — GPU repair facility claims it works on 200 flagship Nvidia cards per month | Tom's Hardware (tomshardware.com)

In saying that, we don't know which GPU's are having issues with these so-called Intel CPU's but you would think if people have the money for i9's they prob have 4090 as well.

 

[nguyen]

It's interesting who's to blame when you see something like this:

RTX 4090s continue to melt — GPU repair facility claims it works on 200 flagship Nvidia cards per month | Tom's Hardware (tomshardware.com)

In saying that, we don't know which GPU's are having issues with these so-called Intel CPU's but you would think if people have the money for i9's they prob have 4090 as well.

My pal with 4080S + 14900K used to get crashes every 5 mins in Helldivers 2, until he undervolted his 14900K.

Meanwhile my undervolted 13700K + 4090 (with original 12VHPWR connector) are much more stable, though I had to lower CPU clock by 100mhz (5.4ghz P-Cores instead of 5.5ghz) because HD2 utilize the CPU much more heavily than any other game.

 

[Outback Bronze]

Nor are people who manually set voltages, even those who are overclocking past stock.

Yeah, never had an issue, just gota know how to not cook your CPU but it helps when you've been OCing for 20 years and know what parameters in the bios to manipulate.

My pal with 4080S + 14900K used to get crashes every 5 mins in Helldivers 2, until he undervolted his 14900K.

Meanwhile my undervolted 13700K + 4090 (with original 12VHPWR connector) are much more stable, though I had to lower CPU clock by 100mhz (5.4ghz P-Cores instead of 5.5ghz) because HD2 utilize the CPU much more heavily than any other game.

Im not saying Intel is not to blame here but it could be a case of the pot calling the kettle black.

 

[nguyen]

Im not saying Intel is not to blame here but it could be a case of the pot calling the kettle black.

Well the 4080/4090 are pushing CPU harder than any other GPU, that's for sure

 

[Knight47]

Time to put motherboard makers on leash was when Shitsus started to blow up X3D chips and the fact that even after that saga neither AMD nor Intel have talked with them is quite concerning.

Add AssRack(they burn non 3d cpu's) and MSI(they blame amd for any bios issues) to the list too.