Okay, can someone offer me some good OC settings for a Ryzen 5 3600 please?

[Blaeza]

I'm just showing my n00biness, aren't I?
Well it's working for me and I'm going to leave it at that. Got no USB sticks lying around unfortunately. Thanks for your help though.

 

[Chrispy_]

Hey, if it's stable then you're doing fine! It's all silicon lottery anyway and FCLK@1733 isn't far off optimal (AMD say that the best possible Zen2 performance is likely to be FCLK@1866 *if* your CPU can clock that high, which is no guarantee with a Ryzen 5 3600).

One thing you could try that doesn't require too much effort is set the memory to 3600MHz and set the primary timings to 18-22-22-22-42. If that fails let it boot a few times to set an appropriate tRFC with memory training attempts. Corsair LPX isn't particularly Ryzen friendly (unless you bought the Ryzen-specific variety) but 18-22-22-22-42 is relatively loose and *should* get you 3600MHz using your DDR4-3200 kit.

If you're after more performance at this point your best bet is to keep a watch on Zen3 CPUs - look for deals or people selling their old CPUs. Presumably for every 5800X3D sold at retail, there's a good chance of a 3700X, 3800X or 3900X appearing on Craigslist/Ebay/FBM....

Realistically, the R5 3600 is good enough that very few games are going to be heavily bottlenecked by it, so focus your efforts on improved cooling of your GPU so that you can push the sliders in MSI afterburner a bit higher.

 

[Blaeza]

I've played all my usual games and it's not crashed so I'd say it's stable!

It's not the Ryzen friendly version, that's why I don't want to push it anymore.

I'm planning on a 5700X or 5800X when I've saved up, because of the jump in performance.

Yeah, I've got a stable OC on my 1660 super now and it's doing pretty well. I don't play very many intensive games and like my old Emulators, so it's enough until the upgrade bug and GPU prices are at my level.

 

[Palladium]

DDR4 3600C16 was effortless on my old 3600 (@ SoC 1.0V) + MSI B450M Mortar + Ballistix E-die 2x16GB @ 1.35V with copypasta safe values from the Ryzen DRAM calc, to say the least.

Edit: Oh, found out you have Corsair LPX RAM which is spotty at the best of times.

 

[kapone32]

So just let it live a comfortable stock life, pretty much? No problem.

My mobo can only go to 3466 mhz on ram with Zen 2, or at least that's what it says on MSI's site.

There is no guarantee but MSI boards have a BIOS function called Memory Try it. It comes with RAM settings loaded to the board. I was able to get a stable 4000MHZ 18-18-18-20 @ 1.45 volts and it has not produced any errors on 3 different boards. Try that and see what happens but I did not use that on any 3000 series CPUs but you should be able to get a 3600 timing.

 

[Blaeza]

There is no guarantee but MSI boards have a BIOS function called Memory Try it. It comes with RAM settings loaded to the board. I was able to get a stable 4000MHZ 18-18-18-20 @ 1.45 volts and it has not produced any errors on 3 different boards. Try that and see what happens but I did not use that on any 3000 series CPUs but you should be able to get a 3600 timing.

I did notice that in the bios, may try it. My computer is running fine and the Mrs keeps threatening me with no upgrades if I break it. Yes, I'm serious.

Got 3600mhz ram now! Thank you @kapone32 for the Memory Try It advice and the timings were what @Chrispy_ stated. Thank you!

 

[kapone32]

I did notice that in the bios, may try it. My computer is running fine and the Mrs keeps threatening me with no upgrades if I break it. Yes, I'm serious.

I did notice that in the bios, may try it. My computer is running fine and the Mrs keeps threatening me with no upgrades if I break it. Yes, I'm serious.

Got 3600mhz ram now! Thank you @kapone32 for the Memory Try It advice and the timings were what @Chrispy_ stated. Thank you!

Your PC should feel much snappier now.

 

[Chrispy_]

Edit: Oh, found out you have Corsair LPX RAM which is spotty at the best of times.

Yeah, sadly Corsair LPX RAM is garbage-tier nasty shit.
I know because I've bought 100+ kits of it and had to send back at least a dozen because they fail on both AMD and Intel boards.
It's cheap but you might as well save even more money and buy generic no-name stuff for even less, because it can't possibly be worse than LPX.
I wish I'd known that and also wish I'd stumbled across https://github.com/integralfx/MemTestHelper/blob/oc-guide/DDR4 OC Guide.md before buying so much of it :\

Got 3600mhz ram now! Thank you @kapone32 for the Memory Try It advice and the timings were what @Chrispy_ stated. Thank you!

Nice one.
RAM and Infinity Fabric overclocks don't appear to do much for average framerates, but they can improve your minimum framerates by up to 10% which is probably the bit you care about most anyway.

 

[kapone32]

Yeah, sadly Corsair LPX RAM is garbage-tier nasty shit.
I know because I've bought 100+ kits of it and had to send back at least a dozen because they fail on both AMD and Intel boards.
It's cheap but you might as well save even more money and buy generic no-name stuff for even less, because it can't possibly be worse than LPX.

Literally every other vendor does not have the issues that Corsair Ram exhibits. Don't get me wrong they are fine for default but any attempt at XMP for a manual OC can be a very frustrating exercise.

 

[Blaeza]

Before I buy anything from now on, I'll ask here first. I just saw 32gb for £109 quid and thought "Bargain!" Twat...

I was upgrading from an Intel Xeon 1155 socket with DDR3, so it was much faster to me.

I'm not at all good with frustrating exercises, that's when shit gets broken over my knee. Or at least used to.

 

[Chrispy_]

Literally every other vendor does not have the issues that Corsair Ram exhibits. Don't get me wrong they are fine for default but any attempt at XMP for a manual OC can be a very frustrating exercise

The failure rates I'm talking about with Corsair Vengeance LPX is often stock JEDEC timings. Too late I learned that the XMP profiles didn't really work with most Zen2 systems. We were building 8 a week at one point so the number of LPX disaster machines grew quite fast and hit quite hard when the number of machines exhibiting WHEA errors in the eventlogs was scary.

 

[bug]

I intend to get a 5700X when my lovely lady says I can purchase one. She says that it'll be before the end of the year, so I have to wait until whenever her Majesty see's fit.

Make sure she means the end of this year.

 

[chrcoluk]

I think its a good thing ryzen doesnt o/c well, it means they getting the most out of the chips out of the door.

Undervolting for me is the new tweak, as not only does it save power and run cooler, but with how dynamic turbo clocks work now days it can also increase performance as the chip will stay below its temp and power targets for longer which in turn means less throttling.

 

[Blaeza]

I think its a good thing ryzen doesnt o/c well, it means they getting the most out of the chips out of the door.

Undervolting for me is the new tweak, as not only does it save power and run cooler, but with how dynamic turbo clocks work now days it can also increase performance as the chip will stay below its temp and power targets for longer which in turn means less throttling.

So which option in the bios would I change to undervolt the cpu? I have an MSI b450m mortar max if that helps. There's so much stuff in there to adjust, I'm worried about doing something that could cause damage.

 

[freeagent]

I wouldn't even bother with undervolting and PBO on those chips. I would find the top clock I could get with a static OC and roll with that. Keep it under 1.35 for the heaviest of loads, and you will be safe. So if you can run at 4200-4500 I would do that..

 

[Blaeza]

I did have it running at 4.28, just don't remember how... No idea what the voltage was either. I have so much to learn.

 

[Blaeza]

So I tried undervolting to 1.250 and my cinebench score plummeted. I thought this was meant to help with higher scores?

 

[HD64G]

You need to have the hwinfo open when benchmarking to check clocks, voltage and temps during the load. And keep doing that everytime you change a setting to see what helps or hurts performance. Trials will make you get what you need. And Ryzen Master will help you change voltage and power limit on the go without getting into the UEFI every time. Will gain much time this way.

 

[Chrispy_]

So I tried undervolting to 1.250 and my cinebench score plummeted. I thought this was meant to help with higher scores?

Undervolting helps if you are limited by the max PPT in PBO because by reducing the voltage you are reducing the power used, which means there is more thermal and PPT headroom that allows higher all-core boost clocks.

If your CPU isn't limited by your PPT settings in PBO, *and* is lower-quality silicon that requires high voltages to reach decent boost clocks, then undervolting will be a downgrade.

To know for sure what is limiting your CPU performance, you need to use Ryzen Master whilst running both single and multi-core loads. The combination of CPU, motherboard, and cooler will mean that you hit a limit on either temperature, max boost bin, PPT, TDC, or EDC. Ryzen Master will let you monitor that and work out which of those values is maxing out. If you were previously able to hit 4.2 GHz all-core, then undervolting may well hinder rather than help.

There's no straight answer because PBO is a complex beast that monitors at least five key metrics and any single one of them will be the limiting factor at any given time.

 

[Blaeza]

1.352 Volts at 74C with 4024mhz across all 6 cores got me that in R20. So that means its thermal throttling, am I right? It would be nice to be right for a change. And my CCX1 is rated at 130 130 127 CCX2 is 120 123 116. Is this a poorly binned CPU? I'm trying to be a sponge here guys and soak all this knowledge up.

 

[xcescxa]

why overclock i have ryzen 5 3600x
the intel core i9-12900KS delivers double
performance

 

[Blaeza]

why overclock i have ryzen 5 3600x
the intel core i9-12900KS delivers double
performance

Because I want to get the most from my hardware.

 

[bug]

Because I want to get the most from my hardware.

I can understand if you do this out of curiosity, to learn how things are done.
But the fact remains, there's very little left to squeeze out of modern AMD CPUs. The built in overclock is smart enough to push the CPU very close to its limits. Modern Intel... you can still overclock some, if you are willing to throw TDP under the bus.

 

[Kissamies]

I don't know man, many people have been reporting that their Ryzen CPUs degrade at stock settings yet lots of people continue to play with PBO as if there's no tomorrow. I could maybe understand if PBO was known to be safe, allowed to extract significantly more performance without requiring too much power but no, the gain is well below ~10% while power consumption jumps through the roof.

Just why? You're talking about a mere 5% performance increase which you'll never feel or notice anywhere unless you use a stopwatch.



Just why? I've never had either installed. They are not required for your PC to work. Wanna check your temps/power consumption/voltages? Use HWiNFO64 - quite handy and allows to put the items you're interested in to the system tray.

PBO +200 is fine for me, haven't died YET

Though it never boosts over 4325, probably because of my meh-tier motherboard and I put it to use the motherboard's maximum capabilities when boosting..

 

[Blaeza]

I can understand if you do this out of curiosity, to learn how things are done.
But the fact remains, there's very little left to squeeze out of modern AMD CPUs. The built in overclock is smart enough to push the CPU very close to its limits. Modern Intel... you can still overclock some, if you are willing to throw TDP under the bus.

That's why I do this, curiosity and an eagerness to learn.

PBO +200 is fine for me, haven't died YET

Though it never boosts over 4325, probably because of my meh-tier motherboard and I put it to use the motherboard's maximum capabilities when boosting..

Could you share with me some knowledge of how you accomplished that?