Optimus Foundation CPU Block - AMD

JesseL · Feb 25, 2020

The case I'm using has a big opening on the back side of the CPU area of the motherboard. It's a BeQuiet 900 rev2. It's not really a case for a bling setup, I didn't know that when I bought it, but it's turning out to have a pretty clean look anyway.

lorry · Feb 25, 2020

\yes the Thermaltake view 7 that i Will be using for my build has the same, come to think of it, most cases do These days so forget my previous thoughts then, cept that idea re cable routing, lol!

terroralpha · Feb 26, 2020

i saw their prices. f**king insane. modern amd CPUs don't need NASA grade cooling. my gaming rig has an OC 3900X cooled by an EK supremacy evo, which was like $50. works fine. i used this same block on a 7960X, worked fine there too. my current workstation, the 7960X replacement, has a threadripper 3960X, using PBO with raised power limits (drawing 350W vs 280W stock). it's cooled by a $80 XSPC waterblock. again, works perfectly fine.

i don't know how many people they think will shell out $135 per block. if i was going for aesthetics , i'd go for watercool. no matter how i look at these blocks, they just don't appeal to me.

lorry · Feb 26, 2020

terroralpha said:
i saw their prices. f**king insane. modern amd CPUs don't need NASA grade cooling. my gaming rig has an OC 3900X cooled by an EK supremacy evo, which was like $50. works fine. i used this same block on a 7960X, worked fine there too. my current workstation, the 7960X replacement, has a threadripper 3960X, using PBO with raised power limits (drawing 350W vs 280W stock). it's cooled by a $80 XSPC waterblock. again, works perfectly fine.

i don't know how many people they think will shell out $135 per block. if i was going for aesthetics , i'd go for watercool. no matter how i look at these blocks, they just don't appeal to me.

watercool? Got a link?

phill · Feb 26, 2020

Well that was a heck of a quick read and catch up on this thread!!

I'm currently considering an air cooler for my 3900X or to go out and grab some new water cooling parts cos, I'd like to think that would be the better way forward.. Considering a decent air cooler (to replace my 14D that's just sat on top of the CPU right now) is going to be about the £80 mark at best, CPU blocks are getting to be close to that or a little cheaper depending on what you prefer

I need to do a little saving up first and then I can try and get some parts. I have a case in mind for this project which I've had for ages and not used so, it's about time I got things in gear and got it sorted and up and running!!

The block does look nice and is one on my possible list

All the results seem pretty decent in the thread as well, so I'm eager to try I think

lorry · Feb 26, 2020

phill said:
Well that was a heck of a quick read and catch up on this thread!!

I'm currently considering an air cooler for my 3900X or to go out and grab some new water cooling parts cos, I'd like to think that would be the better way forward.. Considering a decent air cooler (to replace my 14D that's just sat on top of the CPU right now) is going to be about the £80 mark at best, CPU blocks are getting to be close to that or a little cheaper depending on what you prefer

I need to do a little saving up first and then I can try and get some parts. I have a case in mind for this project which I've had for ages and not used so, it's about time I got things in gear and got it sorted and up and running!!

The block does look nice and is one on my possible list All the results seem pretty decent in the thread as well, so I'm eager to try I think

Which case out of interest?

phill · Feb 26, 2020

Oh I bought it back in 2016 I think... It's a Thermaltake WP100 I think the model is, it's one of the knock offs that look like a Caselabs case that costs a 1/4 of the price

Time for some 560mm rads in there I was thinking.....

lorry · Feb 26, 2020

Looks a bit of a beast

phill · Feb 26, 2020

lorry said:
Looks a bit of a beast

It is, funnily enough when Isabelle was 4 years old, I had a picture with her sat in the main part of the case :roll:

I just hope I have enough cooling capacity.....

lorry · Feb 26, 2020

What can it fit? You mentioned a 560, so I'm sure that whatever you throw at it will fit in it

phill · Feb 26, 2020

lorry said:
What can it fit? You mentioned a 560, so I'm sure that whatever you throw at it will fit in it

I'll be putting a few things in my project link if you'd like to take a look sometime, link is in my signature

lorry · Feb 27, 2020

Just so that no one else makes the same Costly mistake that I have made, AM4 backplate thread size is NOT M3.5. As in it is a 3.5mm diameter thread, but Not a standard metric pitch, seems to be 6/32 thread

terroralpha · Feb 27, 2020

lorry said:
watercool? Got a link?

oh wow, if you don't know about watercool and their "heatkiller" series then you've been missing out. they are consistently rated as the best performing blocks on the market by every review i've seen

CPU Kühler

shop.watercool.de

lorry · Feb 27, 2020

terroralpha said:
oh wow, if you don't know about watercool and their "heatkiller" series then you've been missing out. they are consistently rated as the best performing blocks on the market by every review i've seen

CPU Kühler

shop.watercool.de

Oh yeah know heat killer, just wasn't aware that was its full name

terroralpha said:
oh wow, if you don't know about watercool and their "heatkiller" series then you've been missing out. they are consistently rated as the best performing blocks on the market by every review i've seen

CPU Kühler

shop.watercool.de

if what is being said about the latest Optimus blocks, then they won't be saying that about heatkiller in the future.
If you don't know that one check out threads on here and elsewhere

lorry · Feb 28, 2020

See that EK are now adding a bow to their coldplate as well now.
Looks to be the next 'in' thing

heky · Feb 29, 2020

lorry said:
See that EK are now adding a bow to their coldplate as well now.
Looks to be the next 'in' thing

FYI, EK (and others) have been doing it years before Optimus even existed. Its nothing new.

lorry · Feb 29, 2020

Yet reviewers are only now mentioning it. Either the makers need to up their marketing, inform reviewers, or something then, as I've Not seen that mentioned on any site before, I could have missed it I guess but on Every makers site that does that?

PolRoger · Mar 1, 2020

Hey "lorry"

You posted that your block arrived back on Feb 15th...

Have you had a chance to mount/test your AMD Foundation block yet? Any thoughts/results as compared to what you were previously running?

lorry · Mar 1, 2020

PolRoger said:
Hey "lorry"

You posted that your block arrived back on Feb 15th...

Have you had a chance to mount/test your AMD Foundation block yet? Any thoughts/results as compared to what you were previously running?

I've not as yet mate, nor will I for a while sadly.
Had some personal shyt come up that needs attention first.
About as bad a timing as it can get, new case, new block, can't touch for now.

ThrashZone · Mar 1, 2020

Hi,
Too bad I've really grown into my Intel foundation so I'm sure when ever you get a chance you'll enjoy yours too.

3950x listed for 699.99 locally too

JesseL · Mar 12, 2020

It's running!

Some were concerned that the Optimus block restricts flow, I don't see that as a problem at all. I have the whole pump curve under 45%. At 100% CPU load the pump runs about 2180rpm, the CPU runs 71C, and the water out of the block runs 30C. I could turn the pump down even more.

I can see the actual flow from the waterblock in the internal tube of the upper water cylinder. It's very low flow as I type this. The water in that internal tube is T_SEN1 on the no load screenshot below;

Optimus Water Cooling · Mar 12, 2020

JesseL said:
It's running!

Some were concerned that the Optimus block restricts flow, I don't see that as a problem at all. I have the whole pump curve under 45%. At 100% CPU load the pump runs about 2180rpm, the CPU runs 71C, and the water out of the block runs 30C. I could turn the pump down even more.

I can see the actual flow from the waterblock in the internal tube of the upper water cylinder. It's very low flow as I type this. The water in that internal tube is T_SEN1 on the no load screenshot below;

Right on! Nice looking build there as well, cool to see our reservoir with clear coolant, really clean

And, yeah, restriction isn't as big a deal as some would think. After all, the numbers speak for themselves

JesseL · Mar 12, 2020

If I can cool a R9 3950X at under 2200 pump RPM during a 100% CPU stress test and the water out of the block is 40 degrees less than the CPU, there's not a restriction problem. I'm in an industry were we use various water to water and water to air cooling systems and hi velocity is not a proper cure for cooling problems. We've cut down impeller diameters to slow down flow to improve retention time and cooling.

We started with the pump curve topped at around 80% and dropped it to 45% during stress tests without the CPU temp going up at all. It's always run 70-72C.

The pump will run 4740 rpm!

Robot Menace · Apr 25, 2020

I'm waiting for my Foundation AMD block to be shipped but seeing as I'm currently furloughed I have plenty of time to run before and after tests for those wanting the comparison. If anyone has specific tests they want running please let me know.

The (what I think are) relevant parts of the system I'm using for this are a 3950x running on an X570 Aorus Master, an XT45 360 rad with NF-F12s in push, EK Kinetic D5 res-pump combo, and most importantly an Eisblock XPX CPU block.

terroralpha · Apr 25, 2020

JesseL said:
If I can cool a R9 3950X at under 2200 pump RPM during a 100% CPU stress test and the water out of the block is 40 degrees less than the CPU, there's not a restriction problem. I'm in an industry were we use various water to water and water to air cooling systems and hi velocity is not a proper cure for cooling problems. We've cut down impeller diameters to slow down flow to improve retention time and cooling.

We started with the pump curve topped at around 80% and dropped it to 45% during stress tests without the CPU temp going up at all. It's always run 70-72C.

The pump will run 4740 rpm!

Judging by the max RPM, I’m guessing it’s a D5 or DDC pump. If you have to run the pump faster than that, then you have a problem. I’m running my D5 pump at around 2000RPM. The water goes through two 360mm rads, a threadripper block, an RTX 2080ti block, and (this will sound crazy) but a block that cools my intel X550-T2. All are middle of the road water blocks. Nothing fancy here. See system specs for exact parts.

I had to put a block on that NIC because the factory intel cooler can’t keep it cool for longer than 5 minutes of continuous use (go figure).

System Name	3900x
Processor	AMD Ryzen 3900x
Motherboard	Gigabyte Aorus X470 gaming 7 WiFi
Cooling	Alphacool XT45 420mm Rad, 3 noctua 140 industrial 2000, EKWB EK-Quantum Kinetic TBE 200 D5 PWM
Memory	32GB (4 x 8GB) Corsair 3200 C16 Dominator Platinum OC to 3733 16-16-16-32-48
Video Card(s)	Gigabyte Aorus GeForce® RTX 2070 Super
Storage	Samsung Evo 970 1TB NVMe M.2 SSD, Intel 660P 2TB NVMe M.2 SSD , Samsung 2TB 860 QVC
Display(s)	AOC Q3279VWFD8
Case	Thermaltake View 71
Audio Device(s)	Sound Blaster G6
Power Supply	Seasonic Titanium 1000W with cable mods cables
Mouse	Corsair Dark Core SE & Logitech G815 Keyboard
Keyboard	Logitech G815
Software	wIn 10 Pro possibly Manjaro at some point

System Name	Auriga
Processor	Ryzen 7950X3D w/ aquacomputer cuplex kryos NEXT with VISION - acrylic/nickel
Motherboard	Asus ROG Strix X670E-E Gaming WiFi
Cooling	Alphacool Res/D5 Combo •• Corsair XR7 480mm + Black Ice Nemesis 360GTS radiators •• 7xNF-A12 chromax
Memory	2x 32GB G.Skill Trident Z5 Neo RGB @ 6200MHz, 30-40-40-28, 1.35V (F5-6000J3040G32GX2-TZ5NR)
Video Card(s)	MSI RTX 4090 Suprim Liquid X w/ Bykski waterblock
Storage	2TB WD Black SN850X ••• 2TB Corsair M510 ••• 40TB QNAP NAS via SFP+ NIC
Display(s)	Alienware AW3423DWF (3440x1440, 10-bit @ 139Hz)
Case	Thermaltake Core P8
Power Supply	Corsair AX1600i
Mouse	Razer Viper V2 Pro (FPS games) + Logitech MX Master 2S (everything else)
Keyboard	Keycult No2 rev 1 w/Amber Alps and TX stabilizers on a steel plate. DCS 9009 WYSE keycaps
Software	W10 X64 Pro
Benchmark Scores	https://valid.x86.fr/c3rxw7

System Name	3900x
Processor	AMD Ryzen 3900x
Motherboard	Gigabyte Aorus X470 gaming 7 WiFi
Cooling	Alphacool XT45 420mm Rad, 3 noctua 140 industrial 2000, EKWB EK-Quantum Kinetic TBE 200 D5 PWM
Memory	32GB (4 x 8GB) Corsair 3200 C16 Dominator Platinum OC to 3733 16-16-16-32-48
Video Card(s)	Gigabyte Aorus GeForce® RTX 2070 Super
Storage	Samsung Evo 970 1TB NVMe M.2 SSD, Intel 660P 2TB NVMe M.2 SSD , Samsung 2TB 860 QVC
Display(s)	AOC Q3279VWFD8
Case	Thermaltake View 71
Audio Device(s)	Sound Blaster G6
Power Supply	Seasonic Titanium 1000W with cable mods cables
Mouse	Corsair Dark Core SE & Logitech G815 Keyboard
Keyboard	Logitech G815
Software	wIn 10 Pro possibly Manjaro at some point

System Name	Not so complete or overkill - There are others!! Just no room to put! :D
Processor	Ryzen Threadripper 3970X
Motherboard	Asus Zenith 2 Extreme Alpha
Cooling	Lots!! Dual GTX 560 rads with D5 pumps for each rad. One rad for each component
Memory	Viper Steel 4 x 16GB DDR4 3600MHz not sure on the timings... Probably still at 2667!! :(
Video Card(s)	Asus Strix 3090 with front and rear active full cover water blocks
Storage	I'm bound to forget something here - 250GB OS, 2 x 1TB NVME, 2 x 1TB SSD, 4TB SSD, 2 x 8TB HD etc...
Display(s)	3 x Dell 27" S2721DGFA @ 7680 x 1440P @ 144Hz or 165Hz - working on it!!
Case	The big Thermaltake that looks like a Case Mods
Audio Device(s)	Onboard
Power Supply	EVGA 1600W T2
Mouse	Corsair thingy
Keyboard	Razer something or other....
VR HMD	No headset yet
Software	Windows 11 OS... Not a fan!!
Benchmark Scores	I've actually never benched it!! Too busy with WCG and FAH and not gaming! :( :( Not OC'd it!! :(

System Name	3900x
Processor	AMD Ryzen 3900x
Motherboard	Gigabyte Aorus X470 gaming 7 WiFi
Cooling	Alphacool XT45 420mm Rad, 3 noctua 140 industrial 2000, EKWB EK-Quantum Kinetic TBE 200 D5 PWM
Memory	32GB (4 x 8GB) Corsair 3200 C16 Dominator Platinum OC to 3733 16-16-16-32-48
Video Card(s)	Gigabyte Aorus GeForce® RTX 2070 Super
Storage	Samsung Evo 970 1TB NVMe M.2 SSD, Intel 660P 2TB NVMe M.2 SSD , Samsung 2TB 860 QVC
Display(s)	AOC Q3279VWFD8
Case	Thermaltake View 71
Audio Device(s)	Sound Blaster G6
Power Supply	Seasonic Titanium 1000W with cable mods cables
Mouse	Corsair Dark Core SE & Logitech G815 Keyboard
Keyboard	Logitech G815
Software	wIn 10 Pro possibly Manjaro at some point

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System Name	Bang4Buck
Processor	AMD Ryzen 9 5900x
Motherboard	MSI PRESTIGE x570 CREATION
Cooling	Fractal Design Celsius S36
Memory	32Gb 4400Mhz Patriot Viper Steel(Samsung B-die) @ 3800Mhz 16-16-16-32-48-1T @ 1.38v
Video Card(s)	MSI RTX 3080 Ti Suprim X
Storage	Adata SX8200Pro 512Gb/2x Crucial P1 1Tb/Samsung 840 EVO/6Tb Raid -HGST Enterprise/2x IronWolf 8Tb/
Display(s)	Samsung UE49KS8002 4K HDR TV (US - 9 series)
Case	Fractal Design Define R6 Black Usb-C
Audio Device(s)	HDMI out to Denon X4400H reciever, 2x Dali Zensor 7, Dali Zensor Vokal, 2x Dali Zensor 1, Yamaha Sub
Power Supply	Seasonic Prime Ultra 750W
Mouse	Logitech G305 Lightspeed
Keyboard	Logitech K520
Software	Windows 11 Pro x64
Benchmark Scores	https://www.3dmark.com/spy/26216445

System Name	Daily/SFF
Processor	Ryzen 5900X in ECO-mode.
Motherboard	ASUS ROG Strix X570-I Gaming
Cooling	Noctua NH-U9B SE2
Memory	GSKILL Flare X F4-3200C14D-16GFX
Video Card(s)	ZOTAC 1660Ti AMP
Storage	WD Black SN750 500GB NVMe SSD
Display(s)	SAMSUNG 24" SD590 Series
Case	NCASE M1
Audio Device(s)	On-board
Power Supply	CORSAIR SF750
Mouse	Microsoft IntelliMouse Explorer 3.0
Keyboard	KB Paradise V80 Olivette TKL
Software	W10

System Name	Ghetto Rigs z490\|x99\|Acer 17 Nitro 7840hs/ 5600c40-2x16/ 4060/ 1tb acer stock m.2/ 4tb sn850x
Processor	10900k w/Optimus Foundation \| 5930k w/Black Noctua D15
Motherboard	z490 Maximus XII Apex \| x99 Sabertooth
Cooling	oCool D5 res-combo/280 GTX/ Optimus Foundation/ gpu water block \| Blk D15
Memory	Trident-Z Royal 4000c16 2x16gb \| Trident-Z 3200c14 4x8gb
Video Card(s)	Titan Xp-water \| evga 980ti gaming-w/ air
Storage	970evo+500gb & sn850x 4tb \| 860 pro 256gb \| Acer m.2 1tb/ sn850x 4tb\| Many2.5" sata's ssd 3.5hdd's
Display(s)	1-AOC G2460PG 24"G-Sync 144Hz/ 2nd 1-ASUS VG248QE 24"/ 3rd LG 43" series
Case	D450 \| Cherry Entertainment center on Test bench
Audio Device(s)	Built in Realtek x2 with 2-Insignia 2.0 sound bars & 1-LG sound bar
Power Supply	EVGA 1000P2 with APC AX1500 \| 850P2 with CyberPower-GX1325U
Mouse	Redragon 901 Perdition x3
Keyboard	G710+x3
Software	Win-7 pro x3 and win-10 & 11pro x3
Benchmark Scores	Are in the benchmark section