Phanteks T30-120 Fan

[GorbazTheDragon]

The 3 Switch modes are also I good idea i think or at least they try something new.

Yes, I really like this tbh

One of my biggest personal gripes with the A12x25s is that low max RPM and this is a great way to enable both high RPM and low capped RPM for boards that like to wang up the fans.

I have mixed feelings on the 30mm thickness though. Guess I'd go to the local hardware store for screws if I had one of these to mount on a rad.

 

[Tomgang]

Yes, I really like this tbh

One of my biggest personal gripes with the A12x25s is that low max RPM and this is a great way to enable both high RPM and low capped RPM for boards that like to wang up the fans.

I have mixed feelings on the 30mm thickness though. Guess I'd go to the local hardware store for screws if I had one of these to mount on a rad.

For what I have seen in another review on YouTube. Phanteks provides longer screws included with the fan for radiator or other mountings. So you are actually covered there as well.

 

[Crackong]

For what I have seen in another review on YouTube. Phanteks provides longer screws included with the fan for radiator or other mountings. So you are actually covered there as well.

But the threads aren't the same for various rad manufacturers.

 

[Therein]

Great fan no doubt, but what really does the trick for them here is simply the incresed thickness, if noctua or similar made their fans bigger, they would likely perform better than phanteks again, so not really any brilliant enginnering going on here, just bigger fan.
Shame there is no 140mm version of this, it would be an instant buy from me.

 

[cpugpuram]

Nice to see competition but i would still pick Noctua at this price. I was expecting more reasonable price from Phanteks. Even 3 pack isn't cheap. Also rad+fan space is valuable for us custom loopers. Generally HUGE cases have proper spacing. I wouldn't wanna waste precious 5cm space. 1 pack $25, 3 pack $65 would be fair.

 

[sector-z]

Nice to see competition but i would still pick Noctua at this price. I was expecting more reasonable price from Phanteks. Even 3 pack isn't cheap. Also rad+fan space is valuable for us custom loopers. Generally HUGE cases have proper spacing. I wouldn't wanna waste precious 5cm space. 1 pack $25, 3 pack $65 would be fair.

Maybe a 6 pack with better price, they are fan for Custom loop and I dont think 3 is enough anyway for that type of customer

 

[John Naylor]

We will have to find a replacement for the Phanteks 140 SPs ... usually ordereed them by the dozen and still have plenty left. Haven't found a reason to to use anything that would have them break 650 rpm on any of our WC builds so far except under stress testing where they will climb to about 825 rpm. If they hit 850, they just about become audible so don't wanna go there. Don't really need a fan that goes 2,000 - 3,000 rpm when delta T's are under 10C (8.7 C on this box) at full load of 700 watts . Not like 7C Delta T makes the box any faster. And the OC; usually have been voltage not temp limited.

Availability has become an issue tho and will have to find a replacement someday soon. Low speed control usually peters out around 30% speed at at 2,000 rpm ... so 600 rpm is a bit high for me. I usually set them to shut off when speed reaches about 325. Been waiting for these for years .... will have to call and see, how the line will expand and if the DCV versions will be substantially cheaper. I tested both PWM (XP) versions and DCV (SP) versions running on this box years ago found and little visible difference .... the speed and noise are comparable, never really understood why the DCV versions were able to hit significantly lower temps. I thot I was off my rocker until I saw the review here:

Phanteks PH-F140(XP, SP, SP_LED) Fans: Testing - Phanteks PH-F140 (XP, SP, SP_LED) Case Fan Review - Page 3

These fans will be very attractive to AIO users which typically have higher FPIs and aluminum rads. I still prefer low speed fans for copper rads w/ FPIs of 8 -14 so I hope they follow up and expand the line.

 

[Oberon]

One of my biggest personal gripes with the A12x25s is that low max RPM and this is a great way to enable both high RPM and low capped RPM for boards that like to wang up the fans.

They're loud enough at 2000 RPM that if you need more you're not really focused on noise in the first place, so you could have just gone out and bought a less efficient fan with a much higher max RPM like an ML120. If you just wanted an NF-A12x25, you could also just buy the 5V version and run it at 12V. The fan blades don't start to rub the frame until a bit over 3000 RPM, but the protection features will shut it down after a bit if you run it much over 2900 RPM.

 

[venturi]

nice, quiet, install replacing my tiramisu colored noctua A12x25

 

[CheapMeat]

Is that how the drives setup comes with the case? I love the way the drives look.

 

[venturi]

Is that how the drives setup comes with the case? I love the way the drives look.

No sir, all modded, I have long thread in this forum on getting all that in the SFF. I custom made the drive caddy, with internal quiet fans to cool those 4x micron 9300s

 

[doyll]

I have 3-pack of Phanteks new T30 fans inbound, so as soon as they arrive I will run some testing in current Evolv ITX build. It's using 2x PH-F140MP intakes with no exhaust fans now. Probably be a week or so. Will give case intake air temp vs inside air temp vs component temps. Maybe exhaust air temp to just for fun.

 

[doyll]

Fans arrived!
I'm impressed at how nicely packaged they are. Their rigid foam packaging is really well designed. So far only running is setting on bench showing they have a pleasant sound. More to come soon.

 

[MxPhenom 216]

Wait, so are you able to make your own custom fan curve with these fans or are you stuck with the 3 profiles?

 

[maxfly]

They are still pwm. The profiles are the maximum speeds.

 

[doyll]

Wait, so are you able to make your own custom fan curve with these fans or are you stuck with the 3 profiles?

I'm using a custom profile with fans on performance mode. Fans are installed as front intakes with all openings in mounting panel not covered by them taped off so air they push into motherboard compartment has to flow back and out, not leak around into front to go in circles. This is in Evolv mATX MSI B450M Mortar Max motherboard using Command Center to setup curve to idle at 600-650rpm at 40-45c CPU temp and ramping up to 980-1020rpm at 60-65c CPU temp.

Bottom fan is a very tight fit between fan mounting panel and PSU shroud.

 

[doyll]

Here some data of T30s' as intakes on Evolv mATX. Not a big difference in this case (no pun) but T30 fans are clearly moving more air. I suspect on radiators it would be even more evident.

I'm getting airflow bench setup. Once it's done I'll be able to present better data.

 

[MxPhenom 216]

im going to get a kit of these fans to change up my rig. The PC-011D becomes a freaking hot box after an hour of a load with 2 radiators one bottom one top, and bottom being the only one as intake, so top one basically just gets hot air and no fans on the side part since my EK FLT res takes up that entire area. Change things up, different res, possibly switch to the XL version of the case for more space, etc.

 

[doyll]

im going to get a kit of these fans to change up my rig. The PC-011D becomes a freaking hot box after an hour of a load with 2 radiators one bottom one top, and bottom being the only one as intake, so top one basically just gets hot air and no fans on the side part since my EK FLT res takes up that entire area. Change things up, different res, possibly switch to the XL version of the case for more space, etc.

You could try just replacing fans on bottom radiator. Also raise case up so there is 20+ mm clearance from bottom of case to what case sets on. Even higher / more space is better.
3x 120mm fans have about 324sqcm of airflow area.
2cm bottom clearance is only about 183.36sqcm of airflow area to 3x bottom fans. A little over half the intake area of 3x 120mm fans side by side.
4cm bottom clearance gives about 366.72sq cm of airflow area to 3x bottom fans. A little more area than 3x 120mm intake fans side by side.
With 3x bottom 120mm fans middle fan is only drawing air from 2 sides while end fans draw air from 3 sides. 120mm fan is about

So ideally we want about 4cm from bottom of case to what case sets on.
I use open center caster bases under mine. Makes it much easier to move them around too.

 

[MxPhenom 216]

You could try just replacing fans on bottom radiator. Also raise case up so there is 20+ mm clearance from bottom of case to what case sets on. Even higher / more space is better.
3x 120mm fans have about 324sqcm of airflow area.
2cm bottom clearance is only about 183.36sqcm of airflow area to 3x bottom fans. A little over half the intake area of 3x 120mm fans side by side.
4cm bottom clearance gives about 366.72sq cm of airflow area to 3x bottom fans. A little more area than 3x 120mm intake fans side by side.
With 3x bottom 120mm fans middle fan is only drawing air from 2 sides while end fans draw air from 3 sides. 120mm fan is about

So ideally we want about 4cm from bottom of case to what case sets on.
I use open center caster bases under mine. Makes it much easier to move them around too.

yeah i thought about getting some inch thick or so wood that I can I sit the front and back feet on until i make the change

 

[mtcn77]

Don't really need a fan that goes 2,000 - 3,000 rpm when delta T's are under 10C (8.7 C on this box) at full load of 700 watts . Not like 7C Delta T makes the box any faster. And the OC; usually have been voltage not temp limited.

Is there a way to find the function of a fan performance curve? Finding the inflection point would help in finding the best pq curve point depending on the application heat without having to make our own fan anemometer chart.

 

[doyll]

Is there a way to find the function of a fan performance curve? Finding the inflection point would help in finding the best pq curve point depending on the application heat without having to make our own fan anemometer chart.

I set my case fans (and cooler fan/s) on a progressive curve using temperature to rpm curve. This is same principle used by most fan software. Fan idle speed is about 600rpm. @ about 35-40c. Any slower rpm won't create much if any air. 2nd setting is about 800rpm @ about 45c, then 1100rpm @ about 60c, then 1300-1400rpm @ 70-75c and full speed @ 80c because most CPUs begin throttling somewhere between 80c and 100c. Obviously speed : temp very with what fans, case and CPU are being used.

 

[mtcn77]

I set my case fans (and cooler fan/s) on a progressive curve using temperature to rpm curve. This is same principle used by most fan software. Fan idle speed is about 600rpm. @ about 35-40c. Any slower rpm won't create much if any air. 2nd setting is about 800rpm @ about 45c, then 1100rpm @ about 60c, then 1300-1400rpm @ 70-75c and full speed @ 80c because most CPUs begin throttling somewhere between 80c and 100c. Obviously speed : temp very with what fans, case and CPU are being used.

There has to be an easy way to find maximum heat extraction. That is what I'm saying. It should form a curve and knowing the tail function should enable the best rpm according to varying loads.

 

[doyll]

There has to be an easy way to find maximum heat extraction. That is what I'm saying. It should form a curve and knowing the tail function should enable the best rpm according to varying loads.

Well, if you find one please post it up so we can all use it. The way I described is best way I know of. Just noticed I didn't say fan rpm is also dependent on noise levels at different speeds. Most of our home have background noise level of about 30dBA, so fan noise below that level is not audible over background noise. I don't like my systems to be louder than about 35dBA. Some people don't mind 40dBA, some even louder levels.

 

[mtcn77]

Something in the vicinity of delta t and watts removed should do it. Just have to stick it in a formula.