Problem installing Vista on SSD

P4-630 · Jan 16, 2015

My dad just bought a SanDisk 128GB SSD and I'm trying to install Vista on it with no luck.
After choosing the drive on which Vista should install and starts copying I'm getting an error.
Not remember what error, but I think it has to do with a driver: http://superuser.com/questions/797296/vista-can-create-partitions-but-cant-install, does it need one? In the time Vista was out, there were no SSD's yet, does Vista not support SSD's?

What can I do next?

Blue-Knight · Jan 16, 2015

P4-630 said:
In the time Vista was out, there were no SSD's yet, does Vista not support SSD's?

There were SSDs at that time.

P4-630 said:
In the time Vista was out, there were no SSD's yet, does Vista not support SSD's?

This is Windows. A Microsoft product.

If it did not work, it will not. Vista is EOE so you cannot ask for anything.

Good luck!

Jetster · Jan 16, 2015

The only thing Vista doesn't support is trim so it should work. Make sure you set to AHCI. Try different media you can download Vista still I believe or make the switch to 7. Vista has days of updates anyway, what a pain

Could be a hardware problem. list it !

rtwjunkie · Jan 16, 2015

P4-630 said:
My dad just bought a SanDisk 128GB SSD and I'm trying to install Vista on it with no luck.
After choosing the drive on which Vista should install and starts copying I'm getting an error.
Not remember what error, but I think it has to do with a driver: http://superuser.com/questions/797296/vista-can-create-partitions-but-cant-install, does it need one? In the time Vista was out, there were no SSD's yet, does Vista not support SSD's?

What can I do next?

You have the SSD as the only drive connected, right? Is it recognized in the BIOS? You won't have TRIM, but other than that I don't see why it would not install, unless you did not get the correct SATA driviers from the motherboard manufacturer site.

Dent1 · Jan 16, 2015

P4-630 said:
My dad just bought a SanDisk 128GB SSD and I'm trying to install Vista on it with no luck.
After choosing the drive on which Vista should install and starts copying I'm getting an error.
Not remember what error, but I think it has to do with a driver: http://superuser.com/questions/797296/vista-can-create-partitions-but-cant-install, does it need one? In the time Vista was out, there were no SSD's yet, does Vista not support SSD's?

What can I do next?

SSD technology has been around since the 1950s. SSDs have been commercially available for over a decade, the prices were not as cheap as today but they were around. Yes Vista supports SSD.

I'm guessing you are booting from the CDROM when attempting to install Vista?

Might be worth flashing the bios to the latest update. There might be a known issue relating to the SATA controller.

P4-630 · Jan 16, 2015

Y

rtwjunkie said:
You have the SSD as the only drive connected, right? Is it recognized in the BIOS? You won't have TRIM, but other than that I don't see why it would not install, unless you did not get the correct SATA driviers from the motherboard manufacturer site.

Yes it is recognized in the BIOS, and yes I only have the SSD connected. And no I did not load any driver from the disc that came with the motherboard.
So after the files are loaded from the Vista disc, am I able to swap the Vista DVD with the motherboard disc and then it loads the driver from the motherboard disc?

Jetster said:
The only thing Vista doesn't support is trim so it should work. Make sure you set to AHCI. Try different media you can download Vista still I believe or make the switch to 7. Vista has days of updates anyway, what a pain

Could be a hardware problem. list it !

Yes is set to AHCI , thats the first thing I did.

XSI · Jan 16, 2015

one idea, what is ssd formatted to? maybe reformatting ssd to another vista will recognize the drive if thats the problem

edit: looks that isnt the issue.? NOTyour mb disc is needed maybe your ssd comes with driver disc put that in

P4-630 · Jan 16, 2015

Dent1 said:
SSD technology has been around since the 1950s. SSDs have been commercially available for over a decade, the prices were not as cheap as today but they were around. Yes Vista supports SSD.

I'm guessing you are booting from the CDROM when attempting to install Vista?

Might be worth flashing the bios to the latest update. There might be a known issue relating to the SATA controller.

Yes I'm booting from the DVD

XSI said:
one idea, what is ssd formatted to? maybe reformatting ssd to another vista will recognize the drive if thats the problem

NTFS

Jetster said:
The only thing Vista doesn't support is trim so it should work. Make sure you set to AHCI. Try different media you can download Vista still I believe or make the switch to 7. Vista has days of updates anyway, what a pain

Could be a hardware problem. list it !

Hardware is:

Motherboard: http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/P5Q_SE_PLUS/
Ram: 4x1GB GEIL DDR2
CPU: Intel E7200

XSI said:
one idea, what is ssd formatted to? maybe reformatting ssd to another vista will recognize the drive if thats the problem

edit: looks that isnt the issue.? NOTyour mb disc is needed maybe your ssd comes with driver disc put that in

Not a disc included with the SSD, I also can't find a "SSD driver" on the SanDisk site

Ok I give up, I will buy Windows 8.1 for my dad, he would need a new OS in 2017 anyway.
Thanks for the input guys! :toast:

newtekie1 · Jan 16, 2015

P4-630 said:
NTFS

That actually might be the issue. When you are in the Windows installer delete any partitions on the drive so it is totally blank. Then just tell Windows to install to the blank drive and let it create the partitions itself. Windows Vista+ need an extra partition at the beginning of the drive to function properly, if it can't create that partition because there isn't any unallocated space on the drive then it can cause an error when installing.

You don't need any special drivers, Windows just sees the drive as a standard AHCI drive.

Dent1 · Jan 16, 2015

P4-630 said:
Y

Yes it is recognized in the BIOS, and yes I only have the SSD connected. And no I did not load any driver from the disc that came with the motherboard.
So after the files are loaded from the Vista disc, am I able to swap the Vista DVD with the motherboard disc and then it loads the driver from the motherboard disc?

You don't need to install any drivers prior to installing the operating system. Its normal for an SSD not to come with any discs.

P4-630 said:
Ok I give up, I will buy Windows 8.1 for my dad, he would need a new OS in 2017 anyway.
Thanks for the input guys!

You give up to early. You haven't even done anything.

This problem probably has nothing to do with vista. It's to do with how your motherboard is detecting the device. You might buy 8.1 and encounter the same issue.

Make sure your motherboards bios is up to date. It can solve a host of SATA related issues. Also check that the SSD doesn't need any firmware updates.

Easy fix: Bring the SSD to another computer. Install Vista. Then swap the SSD back to your dads computer.

FordGT90Concept · Jan 16, 2015

P4-630 said:
Y

Yes it is recognized in the BIOS, and yes I only have the SSD connected. And no I did not load any driver from the disc that came with the motherboard.
So after the files are loaded from the Vista disc, am I able to swap the Vista DVD with the motherboard disc and then it loads the driver from the motherboard disc?

1) Start with Vista disk.
2) When it gets to the point that it asks for where to install Vista, click More Options/Load Driver.
3) Put in a flash stick or disk that has the latest AHCI SATA driver for that computer. The "floppy" or "F6" driver will work fine.
4) Select the partion once the driver is loaded and it will resume installing.
5) If it asks for the Vista disk back, give it to it.

Jetster · Jan 16, 2015

I dont think Vista has a native driver

https://downloadcenter.intel.com/SearchResult.aspx?lang=eng&keyword="ahci sata driver"

Download a Windows 7 ISO 64 bit and try it. You can use it for a few days without buying it to see if it will work. If it works then buy it

P4-630 · Jan 16, 2015

newtekie1 said:
That actually might be the issue. When you are in the Windows installer delete any partitions on the drive so it is totally blank. Then just tell Windows to install to the blank drive and let it create the partitions itself. Windows Vista+ need an extra partition at the beginning of the drive to function properly, if it can't create that partition because there isn't any unallocated space on the drive then it can cause an error when installing.

You don't need any special drivers, Windows just sees the drive as a standard AHCI drive.

It is a brandnew SSD, it was not devided in partitions, and the weird thing was it already had copied some files on it, I had to format it on my laptop, because it said there was no boot manager after I restarted the pc.

FordGT90Concept said:
1) Start with Vista disk.
2) When it gets to the point that it asks for where to install Vista, click More Options/Load Driver.
3) Put in a flash stick or disk that has the latest AHCI SATA driver for that computer. The "floppy" or "F6" driver will work fine.
4) Select the partion once the driver is loaded and it will resume installing.
5) If it asks for the Vista disk back, give it to it.

Ok I'll try it one more time... Thanks!

FordGT90Concept said:
1) Start with Vista disk.
2) When it gets to the point that it asks for where to install Vista, click More Options/Load Driver.
3) Put in a flash stick or disk that has the latest AHCI SATA driver for that computer. The "floppy" or "F6" driver will work fine.
4) Select the partion once the driver is loaded and it will resume installing.
5) If it asks for the Vista disk back, give it to it.

I can't find a AHCI SATA driver on http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/P5Q_SE_PLUS/HelpDesk_Download/

rtwjunkie · Jan 16, 2015

is the vist a32-bit or 64?

P4-630 · Jan 16, 2015

rtwjunkie said:
is the vist a32-bit or 64?

Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 64 Bit

rtwjunkie · Jan 16, 2015

Yeah, I don't see a SATA driver, just the chipset driver. It's possible it could be rolled into that. Unfortunately, that probably won't be accepted durung the F6 phase.

I also didn't see that there were any BIOS updates stating this was an issue and fixed.

Mussels · Jan 16, 2015

You can either:

1. Manually install your AHCI driver while installing windows
2. run the SSD in IDE mode, which doesn't really affect vista much since it doesnt have TRIM support anyway.

P4-630 · Jan 16, 2015

I just have ordered a Windows 8.1 DVD for my dad, I will have it tomorrow.
Thanks for the input guys! :toast:

A new OS would be needed in 2017 anyway.

Mussels · Jan 16, 2015

P4-630 said:
I just have ordered a Windows 8.1 DVD for my dad, I will have it tomorrow.
Thanks for the input guys!

A new OS would be needed in 2017 anyway.

get start8 or classic shell, and you'll love it. win 8.1 is a solid OS with a start menu added back in.

P4-630 · Jan 16, 2015

Mussels said:
get start8 or classic shell, and you'll love it. win 8.1 is a solid OS with a start menu added back in.

Yes I will install Classic Shell for my dad.

FordGT90Concept · Jan 16, 2015

Intel® P45/ICH10
Windows Vista and older: Matrix Storage Manager
Windows 7 and newer: Rapid Storage Technology

f6flpy are the driver-only packages. x64/64 for 64 and x86/32 for x86.

You should use both f6flpy and Matrix/Rapid. f6 will get the computer to Windows then you install the Matrix/Rapid driver to enable software features of the driver (e.g. like the SMART warnings).

rtwjunkie said:
Yeah, I don't see a SATA driver, just the chipset driver. It's possible it could be rolled into that. Unfortunately, that probably won't be accepted durung the F6 phase.

I also didn't see that there were any BIOS updates stating this was an issue and fixed.

Never trust mobo manufacturer for anything except Realtek sound drivers (had bad luck trying Realtek's drivers) and proprietary hardware (e.g. touchpads, finger scanners, webcam, etc.).

Kursah · Jan 16, 2015

I know you already ordered a new OS, but if you wanted to save $$$, download AEMOI Partition Assistant Standard. This has a migrate to SSD mode that works excellent with Win Vista, 7 and 8. It's free to use.

You perform the migration, adjust your partition/mbr sizes (or let it do so automatically, which works well), and then once it's done, leave everything connected (both drives), boot off the old HDD (odds are the SSD isn't bootable yet), and go back into the program and perform the MBR Repair for Windows Vista/7/8. Then shutdown, disconnect old HDD, or reboot and choose SSD to boot to and format old HDD.

Hope that helps someone in the future. I've tried a dozen programs, and this one actually works without too much hassle and it's also faster.

I will add I think going to 8.1 on a fresh install was the better choice though! Remember you can just run defrag and it'll automatically TRIM SSD's instead of trying to run the defrag process. Classic Shell FTW!

:toast:

FireFox · Jan 16, 2015

P4-630 said:
I just have ordered a Windows 8.1 DVD for my dad, I will have it tomorrow.
Thanks for the input guys!

A new OS would be needed in 2017 anyway.

I forgot to give you my answer in your other thread (Is it worth upgrading to Windows 8.1)
btw the answer is: I've never upgraded a machine of some friend of mine from Windows 7 to 8 indeed quite the opposite 15 Machines upgraded from 8 to 7.

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