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PSU Life Span

So the basic consensus is that I have nothing to worry about with my 9 year old Seasonic OEM XFX power supply and it is still safe to continue using for some time to come?
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So the basic consensus is that I have nothing to worry about with my 9 year old Seasonic OEM XFX power supply and it is still safe to continue using for some time to come? View attachment 186367
You will know when the day comes that you need replace it.
That day will be when you go to turn the puter on and nothing happens.
 
Μy 10+years old 750W PC Power & Cooling Silencer is still working on my old 500W PC that sold to a friend.

So the basic consensus is that I have nothing to worry about with my 9 year old Seasonic OEM XFX power supply and it is still safe to continue using for some time to come? View attachment 186367
Those main rail readings are still top. Do they stay like this under max load?

As said already, quality PSUs dont get replaced on a certain time. You change it when it stop doing the job.
 
My OCZ Z550 silver works still great for over 10 years now. It had 5y warranty. It has provided power to systems with close to 300W max consumption so it has never been pushed even close to its limit. That helps much electronics usually.
 
so it has never been pushed even close to its limit. That helps much electronics usually.
This is very true but it should be noted that the primary reason that helps is because when not pushed to near capacities, it allows the electronics run at much cooler temperatures. Electronics that are pushed to near capacities can have extended lifespans too, as long as they are provided excellent cooling. That can be a challenge, however.
 
I'm curious about this now, I have a Fractal Design ION+ 860P 860W 80+ Platinum coming next week, and apparently the manufacturer of its innards is High Power. Looking at the PSU overall and the reviews it seems like a quality well built PSU (with a 10 year warranty), but then again I know nothing about PSU OEMs. I hope this won't take anything with it when it eventually dies lol
 
I usually replace mine when they are in their last year of warranty.... Now days with the better seasonic units coming with 12 year warranties that can be a really long time.

I replaced a XFX (seasonic oem) psu from 2011
a couple years ago with a Prime Ultra Titanium variant. Wasn't as worried about using it past its warranty period as much as I would be with some of the other oem.

This model specifically


I remember when I got it thinking it was so bad A$$.

I'm curious about this now, I have a Fractal Design ION+ 860P 860W 80+ Platinum coming next week, and apparently the manufacturer of its innards is High Power. Looking at the PSU overall and the reviews it seems like a quality well built PSU (with a 10 year warranty), but then again I know nothing about PSU OEMs. I hope this won't take anything with it when it eventually dies lol

From what I can find they don't seem that great overall but that doesn't mean your specific model isn't good.

I think their other name is Sirta/ Sirtec
 
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Seasonic Prime TX/titanium such good psus.

I'm rather miffed there isn't an equivalent for sfx. Still, the Corsair SF750 I have had given me no complaints.
 
My current Thermaltake Toughpower 1500 watt psu is now almost 12 years old and still working perfectly. But I will never trust so old a psu to a completely new build, specially the value of the hardware I have and still waiting for to my new build. Also the old psu is also less efficient. Mine is only 80 plus gold rated.

So my new psu is a Phanteks Revolt X 1200 watt 80 platinum gold rated (there is no titanium rated model).made by Seasonic for phanteks and has 12 year warranty. Blimey that's a long warranty period. You don't give it 12 year warranty if you don't trust your own product. This new unit shut last my new build out.
 
Seasonic Prime TX/titanium such good psus.

I'm rather miffed there isn't an equivalent for sfx. Still, the Corsair SF750 I have had given me no complaints.
If only these high end PSU manufacturers made better and more flexible cables I wouldn't be forced to go with another PSU, not about to buy a custom cable kit
 
I would just spend the extra 15 on this.... longer warranty, no caps in the cables, and fully modular.



Never mind didn't see the .ca..... seems to be a good price in your country
 
i usually allow my PSU's do go the distance, or sympathy retirement/give to a friend. i have only ever had one die outright, a cx600 i bought at microcenter in '08 or '09 iirc. that died in 2018-2019, made 10 years roughly. i still have all my others, unless given away. a few Seasonics, EVGA's, & even an nzxt. i believe the nzxt is the second oldest, got it 2011 or 12. the full modular white ones. i agree in regards to Seasonic, great PSU's, ive got 3 deployed currently.
 
Your upgraded hardware arnt cheap, and with everything going on in the world of DIY pc, a PSU failure would be bad, if you value your PC, id say a PSU upgrade would be advised, losing it all now would be your worst nightmare.

After all, at 10 years i'd say a power supply has ran its course
 
I would just spend the extra 15 on this.... longer warranty, no caps in the cables, and fully modular.



Never mind didn't see the .ca..... seems to be a good price in your country
I know.. dammit. Maybe I will just spend the extra.
 
Your upgraded hardware arnt cheap, and with everything going on in the world of DIY pc, a PSU failure would be bad, if you value your PC, id say a PSU upgrade would be advised, losing it all now would be your worst nightmare.

After all, at 10 years i'd say a power supply has ran its course
Hi,
lol yeah unless the warranty was 10 years, lower than that it would of been on borrowed time well before 10 came around :-)
 
It should be good right? I mean My PSU is a Cooler Master.. I know its not made by them but it has their name on it and I still bash the shit out of 212s every chance I get lol. I should stop that though.

Sorry I didn't mean to casually slide into here like that.. this is someone's thread and not the clubhouse I reckon :)
 
Rule of Thumb I follow- As long as its in warranty, thats how long the manufacturer expects the units made are expected to remain above the bell curve limit for failures at their specified tested loads.

I'll end up retiring this SeaSonic X-Series 850W KM3 about 8 years in if it doesn't die before then. Bought it new from Newegg when PSUs were still $70-80 new for this quality and wattage.
 
My OCZ Stealth X Stream II 600W has been in service since 2011. Powered up my gaming and productivity rig overclocked GPU and CPU on hot tropical conditions, i now gave it to my sister for her office work and still working stable as ever.
Cross fingers my new one (not even 1 year old) could last good as well
 
I'm curious about this now, I have a Fractal Design ION+ 860P 860W 80+ Platinum coming next week, and apparently the manufacturer of its innards is High Power. Looking at the PSU overall and the reviews it seems like a quality well built PSU (with a 10 year warranty), but then again I know nothing about PSU OEMs. I hope this won't take anything with it when it eventually dies lol
I have no experience with Fractal Design PSUs but we use Fractal Design cases almost exclusively in all our builds. Why? Because their designs, build quality, and reliability have been top notch. Until we see something different, I think it safe to assume they would not put their brand on those PSUs unless they felt the same level of standards would apply to the PSUs too.

My guess is you will replace the entire computer with something current before that PSU dies. Of course, I am assuming your wall outlet is properly wired and grounded to Earth ground and you are protecting your computer from power anomalies with a "good" UPS with AVR. While nothing will protect your computer should Mother Nature decide to "strike" you directly, a "good" UPS with AVR will ensure the best opportunity for the connected devices to outlive their usefulness (that is, become obsolete before dying).

Having said all that, until Man can create perfection 100% of the time, there will always be units from the best manufacturers that fail to meet specs, or fail entirely prematurely. That's just life, and the "luck of the draw".
 
I have no experience with Fractal Design PSUs but we use Fractal Design cases almost exclusively in all our builds. Why? Because their designs, build quality, and reliability have been top notch. Until we see something different, I think it safe to assume they would not put their brand on those PSUs unless they felt the same level of standards would apply to the PSUs too.

My guess is you will replace the entire computer with something current before that PSU dies. Of course, I am assuming your wall outlet is properly wired and grounded to Earth ground and you are protecting your computer from power anomalies with a "good" UPS with AVR. While nothing will protect your computer should Mother Nature decide to "strike" you directly, a "good" UPS with AVR will ensure the best opportunity for the connected devices to outlive their usefulness (that is, become obsolete before dying).

Having said all that, until Man can create perfection 100% of the time, there will always be units from the best manufacturers that fail to meet specs, or fail entirely prematurely. That's just life, and the "luck of the draw".
Unlike my home country Romania, where I experienced power outages at least 2 times a week (and even had my entire PC die from an overnight storm -- granted I had a crappy Tecnoware PSU when I knew absolutely nothing about PCs and had someone build a cheap PC for me), I have yet to experience a power outage even during storms in the 2 years+ I've lived here. Everything's wired properly in my apartment, had someone take a look and asked the landlord just to be sure. No UPS, just a surge protector.

Asked around in the Linus forums and other places and everyone seems to give the same consensus of "stop being paranoid, the unit is high quality", so I should probably stop being paranoid.
 
Capacitor aging is real and a PSU does degrade over its lifespan.

Normally 10yr is the max cutoff for me when I consider it necessary to look at replacing a good quality PSU.

That being said, yes there are protections, but like any component, things do wear down beyond just capacitors in this sort of duration of usage. That means that while I would like to believe the PSU may go silently into the night taking only itself with it, I would not necessarily risk it.

I would recommend at the 10yr mark, you start looking at your next unit, as any PSU, especially one from 10yr ago has really given you commendable performance and life, and is no longer as efficient, and likely the component aging will lead to less power stability under heavy loading.
 
Unlike my home country Romania, where I experienced power outages at least 2 times a week (and even had my entire PC die from an overnight storm -- granted I had a crappy Tecnoware PSU when I knew absolutely nothing about PCs and had someone build a cheap PC for me), I have yet to experience a power outage even during storms in the 2 years+ I've lived here. Everything's wired properly in my apartment, had someone take a look and asked the landlord just to be sure. No UPS, just a surge protector.
Battery backup power during a full power outage is only a minor bonus feature of a "good" UPS with AVR. Its all about the AVR (automatic voltage regulation). A surge and spike protector is little more than a fancy and expensive extension cord as they do absolutely nothing for abnormal "low" voltage events like dips (opposite of spikes) and sags (opposite of surges), or long duration sags (brownouts) - any of which can cause your electronics to suddenly stop, resulting in possible data corruption. And for "extreme" surges and spikes, a surge and spike protector simply kills power ("IF" working properly!) to your components. That's hardly good for your computer, drives, data or power supplies.

In terms of abusing your power supply, if left unprotected by a "good" UPS with AVR, any fluctuation the power supply encounters must be addressed and corrected by the PSU's regulation circuits. And while a good PSU is designed to handle those (if not excessive) with no problems, any more "work" those circuits and individual components must do produces heat and helps to increase aging. The more work, the more heat and the faster the aging.

Last, it is important to remember that not all surges and spikes originate on the power "grid". Any major appliance inside your home or office can produce destructive anomalies. Refrigerators, water coolers, microwave ovens, toasters all send surges, spikes, dips and sags EVERY TIME they cycle on and off. And of course, any one of those high-wattage appliances can be faulty, simply fail, or be damaged by some accident or abuse. Or just be an inferior product. A 1500W $15 budget hair dryer from some backwoods factory in China, using parts from a sister factory up river, comes to mind!

I'm just saying, a brand new, stable power grid and totally up-to-code facility wiring does not negate the need for a "good" UPS with AVR. The problem is not about "normal" use. It is about "abnormal" abuse. And a stable power grid, good wiring even with a surge and spike protector will not ensure the PSU is not subjected to "abnormal" abuse.

Asked around in the Linus forums and other places and everyone seems to give the same consensus of "stop being paranoid, the unit is high quality", so I should probably stop being paranoid.
I agree. No need to be paranoid your PSU will fail - under "normal" use.
 
Battery backup power during a full power outage is only a minor bonus feature of a "good" UPS with AVR. Its all about the AVR (automatic voltage regulation). A surge and spike protector is little more than a fancy and expensive extension cord as they do absolutely nothing for abnormal "low" voltage events like dips (opposite of spikes) and sags (opposite of surges), or long duration sags (brownouts) - any of which can cause your electronics to suddenly stop, resulting in possible data corruption. And for "extreme" surges and spikes, a surge and spike protector simply kills power ("IF" working properly!) to your components. That's hardly good for your computer, drives, data or power supplies.

In terms of abusing your power supply, if left unprotected by a "good" UPS with AVR, any fluctuation the power supply encounters must be addressed and corrected by the PSU's regulation circuits. And while a good PSU is designed to handle those (if not excessive) with no problems, any more "work" those circuits and individual components must do produces heat and helps to increase aging. The more work, the more heat and the faster the aging.

Last, it is important to remember that not all surges and spikes originate on the power "grid". Any major appliance inside your home or office can produce destructive anomalies. Refrigerators, water coolers, microwave ovens, toasters all send surges, spikes, dips and sags EVERY TIME they cycle on and off. And of course, any one of those high-wattage appliances can be faulty, simply fail, or be damaged by some accident or abuse. Or just be an inferior product. A 1500W $15 budget hair dryer from some backwoods factory in China, using parts from a sister factory up river, comes to mind!

I'm just saying, a brand new, stable power grid and totally up-to-code facility wiring does not negate the need for a "good" UPS with AVR. The problem is not about "normal" use. It is about "abnormal" abuse. And a stable power grid, good wiring even with a surge and spike protector will not ensure the PSU is not subjected to "abnormal" abuse.


I agree. No need to be paranoid your PSU will fail - under "normal" use.
Well 70% of my time is spent on YouTube and the other 30% will be spent barely reaching half load on that PSU, maybe over half if I get a 3080 level TDP GPU in the future. In other words this PSU will have a very "relaxed" life.

If my PC dies I'll take it as an expensive lesson to buy an UPS lol
 
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