Questions about 9900x performance for purely gaming and the dual-CCD

[oxrufiioxo]

@Shakallia
lol, guess you need to tell that to my 5950, as it improved perf by a lot, even with my old 2080S, no stutter in any game that did, with my old 5800X,
same for win (10), as its snappier/runs better doing more than one (low load) thing at same time, all on savings plan with clocks limited to 1.7, even some older games.
so where the 5800 had to run at "unlimited" (stock clocks) for "smooth" use, the 5950 i have now does it with lower power/temps on power savings plan.
where exactly is that making less sense, to have 16C?
completely ignoring what happens in 5y running an 8C vs 12/16, as not everyone upgrades every year...

That's interesting my 5950X vs 5800X was identical all the way up to a 3080ti in some games the 5950X was slightly better and in others the 5800X was better.... I actually kept the 5800X system it's still going and put the 5950X in the closet. So I guess that isn't identical for all users.

 

[freeagent]

I have been back and forth between my 5900X and X3D since the X3D came out.. they are both good CPU's, but the X3D is a little friendlier to run..

 

[oxrufiioxo]

I have been back and forth between my 5900X and X3D since the X3D came out.. they are both good CPU's, but the X3D is a little friendlier to run..

For me running 3800 CL14/3600 CL14 with super tight timings and dual rank made significantly more difference than running 8 or 16 cores with Zen3

I'm guessing it would be the same with the 9600X vs 9900X and 9700X and 9950X. Those low latency DDR5 kit's are coming soon. 6000 CL26....


X3D is it's own thing and murders the non X3D parts if your gpu is fast enough.

OP you already have the 9900X it's fine and you only wasted money if that money could have been used towards the gpu by getting a 9700X or 7700X instead. As long as you don't have to compromise on the gpu due to the cpu purchase it's fine.

 

[Waldorf]

didnt care for relaxed secondaries (short try&test) and added V running C14/AMP, and 3600C16 works better, with lowest secondaries board can do all @1.36 vdimm.

many forget the added ram through-output from having 2 ccs's.
at least i assume thats why i "now" dont even realize (most of the time) im still on the power savings plan, as the 5800 always needed balanced, even with VRR,
and both bronze samples needing almost max (amd limits) juice to do stock.

 

[freeagent]

For me running 3800 CL14/3600 CL14 with super tight timings and dual rank made significantly more difference

That is all I know

Those low latency DDR5 kit's are coming soon. 6000 CL26....

Yup, this time I will be grabbing a set

 

[Kapone33]

Any CPU can be tuned, and when it comes to OC, more cores aren't an advantage. Also, when you buy a CPU, its always a lottery when it comes to tuning/OC, may it be the more expansive or the cheapest.

Until you plat a Game like City Skylines 2.

 

[Launcestonian]

I'm happy with my air cooled 9900X with SMT disabled & core parking permanently disabled in windows. Maxed out PBO as well, combine that with high FCLK like 2200 & tuned 1:1 RAM, you'll have a killer gaming CPU for 1440 x 3440p (21:9). Of course that all comes with one big caveat - depends on the game engine & how it's implemented in any given game title.
At the moment I'm into Dying Light 2 reloaded edition & that uses Techlands proprietary game engine. According to HWiNFO, core usage, is spread out among all 12 cores, averages around 50% usage for all of them after a gaming session of mixed indoor & outdoor environments in the game world. This is with an RX 7900 XTX factory OC card as well.

 

[Kapone33]

I'm happy with my air cooled 9900X with SMT disabled & core parking permanently disabled in windows. Maxed out PBO as well, combine that with high FCLK like 2200 & tuned 1:1 RAM, you'll have a killer gaming CPU for 1440 x 3440p (21:9). Of course that all comes with one big caveat - depends on the game engine & how it's implemented in any given game title.
At the moment I'm into Dying Light 2 reloaded edition & that uses Techlands proprietary game engine. According to HWiNFO, core usage, is spread out among all 12 cores, averages around 50% usage for all of them after a gaming session of mixed indoor & outdoor environments in the game world. This is with an RX 7900 XTX factory OC card as well.

I currently have a 900,000 population in City Skylines 2. The CPU will often hit 100% and that is all cores. I could see where those 12 cores at the same speed would be faster in FPS than my 7900X3D. My hope is that we get to see the same clock speeds with the new 9000X3D chips. That could be a real Game changer for the Dual CCD parts. Congrats on 7900 are they not so fast that you wonder what all of the negative hype is around it when you read some comments here from people that don't even own them.

 

[Jtuck9]

Would you still be benefitting from low latency vs higher bandwidth for something like that, or if an engine is utilizing your cores. 8000 1:2 vs 6400 / 6000 with relatively tight timings.

 

[Shakallia]

I currently have a 900,000 population in City Skylines 2. The CPU will often hit 100% and that is all cores. I could see where those 12 cores at the same speed would be faster in FPS than my 7900X3D. My hope is that we get to see the same clock speeds with the new 9000X3D chips. That could be a real Game changer for the Dual CCD parts. Congrats on 7900 are they not so fast that you wonder what all of the negative hype is around it when you read some comments here from people that don't even own them.

That's bro-science, that game is so poorly optimized anyway. And even if it did make such a big improvement, that's one game out of thousands. In the stellaris benchmark for exemple, the 8 cores x3d cpu performs better than their 12/16 +cores counterparts.

 

[Jtuck9]

That's bro-science, that game is so poorly optimized anyway. And even if it did make such a big improvement, that's one game out of thousands. In the stellaris benchmark for exemple, the 8 cores x3d cpu performs better than their 12/16 +cores counterparts.

Out of the thousands would you care that much about the difference? Especially if you're paying much less / availability. Wasn't that the point the pcmag reviewer made about the 9800X3D in their review?! I believe Digital Trends mentioned id Tech 7 being thread-agnostic and noticing a reduction in traversal stutter with more cores in that new Indy game.

 

[Kapone33]

That's bro-science, that game is so poorly optimized anyway. And even if it did make such a big improvement, that's one game out of thousands. In the stellaris benchmark for exemple, the 8 cores x3d cpu performs better than their 12/16 +cores counterparts.

Ok what about Space Marine 2 and it 65% CPU usage when you get further into the Campaign?

 

[Shakallia]

Ok what about Space Marine 2 and it 65% CPU usage when you get further into the Campaign?

You are mixing things up, that a game is cpu intensive does not mean its multicore optimized.

 

[Kapone33]

You are mixing things up, that a game is cpu intensive does not mean its multicore optimized.

Well when I was running a session of both of those Games after I saw it, I decided to run the Game in Window mode with Task Manager loaded up on the performance tab. In both Games every single Core was loaded with information. Think of it this way, in City Skylines the optimization is difficult because every single asset, person, building and vehicle all have information that the CPU keeps. I have even seen cases in my 900000+ city that when I load it the CPU turns up to 100% the VRAM is pegged at 17 GB/s and the GPU is at 3% then once everything is set the GPU can render the Frames. Games are starting to use more cores even though no Game close to Ashes of the Singularity in terms of optimization for DX12 we are getting somewhere.

 

[Shakallia]

Well when I was running a session of both of those Games after I saw it, I decided to run the Game in Window mode with Task Manager loaded up on the performance tab. In both Games every single Core was loaded with information. Think of it this way, in City Skylines the optimization is difficult because every single asset, person, building and vehicle all have information that the CPU keeps. I have even seen cases in my 900000+ city that when I load it the CPU turns up to 100% the VRAM is pegged at 17 GB/s and the GPU is at 3% then once everything is set the GPU can render the Frames. Games are starting to use more cores even though no Game close to Ashes of the Singularity in terms of optimization for DX12 we are getting somewhere.

Sorry but it does not prove anything, from what I've gathered the game is so badly optimized it runs like shit no matter what your pc specs are.

 

[Zach_01]

Sorry but it does not prove anything, from what I've gathered the game is so badly optimized it runs like shit no matter what your pc specs are.

Its one thing to call the game too much of requirements (as bad decisions from game devs) and another to call a bad optimization.
We are spreading around that word effortlessly like we are all game developers and we actually know what exactly means.
I know we can talk about textures and shaders and all that stuff, but how many of us here can specifically describe what exactly a game optimization entails to result to less graphical compute requirements?

Is MS flight simulator bad optimized too?

 

[Kapone33]

Sorry but it does not prove anything, from what I've gathered the game is so badly optimized it runs like shit no matter what your pc specs are.

The Game runs fine as long as you under 200000 Population. The max population would be 500000 but I play the Game with everything unlocked. That allows me to do in 1 week what 2 months would take.

 

[Shakallia]

Its one thing to call the game too much of requirements (as bad decisions from game devs) and another to call a bad optimization.
We are spreading around that word effortlessly like we are all game developers and we actually know what exactly means.
I know we can talk about textures and shaders and all that stuff, but how many of us here can specifically describe what exactly a game optimization entails to result to less graphical compute requirements?

Is MS flight simulator bad optimized too?

The devs themselves recognized it :

 

[unwind-protect]

Is MS flight simulator bad optimized too?

If you mean MSFS2024, that is a whole other can of worms.

 

[Kapone33]

The devs themselves recognized it :

So you think that they just sat on their laurels for a year? City Skylines has improved in performance since then. One of the issues with today is people believe that things never change. I bought the Game in like October after watching a YT video as well.

 

[Shakallia]

So you think that they just sat on their laurels for a year? City Skylines has improved in performance since then. One of the issues with today is people believe that things never change. I bought the Game in like October after watching a YT video as well.

From what I've gathered it still has a lot of performance issues and various bugs as of today.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

From what I've gathered it still has a lot of performance issues and various bugs as of today.

You didn't know bruh his 7900XT/7900X3D combine like Voltron destroying any unoptimized game in their wake even destroying the fabled 9800X3D/5090 combination that doesn't even exist....

 

[Kapone33]

From what I've gathered it still has a lot of performance issues and various bugs as of today.

The Game runs fine even at 4K. The developers have started releasing Geo packs for the Game and there are tons of mods. I guess those are broken too. All Games have bugs and if you play the Game the way they designed it you would never reach 900000. Do a search for the YT channel that tried to get a 1,000,000 pop in his city and it broke his PC. If you want to talk about badly optimized look at the old TW series. Even Flight Sim will bring your PC to it's knees if your CPU is not up to snuff.

Yes

oxrufiioxo:​

I do love my setup. Don't forget the Storage array lol.

You didn't know bruh his 7900XT/7900X3D combine like Voltron destroying any unoptimized game in their wake even destroying the fabled 9800X3D/5090 combination that doesn't even exist....

I lamented that my FPS was so low once the population went over 600000. I went into Game settings and only DLSS was available. I went into AMD software and enabled Hyper RX and the FPS improved dramatically. Yep I am enjoying the hell out of my current PC.

 

[Francis.g]

I wouldn't drop a 9900X for a 9700X. With PBO, CO and the curve you can extract a lot more performance in the way of higher clock speeds all around.

To me it sounds like you are saying these big CPUs cant play games..

Hi, I completely forgot about my post since I've just chosen to accept it but ive just ben running it standard but when gaming I feel like I have alot of thermal headroom with a 280 arctic 3. I'm getting about 65 degree temps when gaming and I'm not sure how to get the most out of the cpu. Also regarding some of the other replies I normally play beamng with ai which use a core for each car so I figured I 9900x would be better for me than an x3d chip since it can make more use of the more cores. but thanks for just overall making me feel better about my purchase.

 

[Jtuck9]

Hi, I completely forgot about my post since I've just chosen to accept it but ive just ben running it standard but when gaming I feel like I have alot of thermal headroom with a 280 arctic 3. I'm getting about 65 degree temps when gaming and I'm not sure how to get the most out of the cpu. Also regarding some of the other replies I normally play beamng with ai which use a core for each car so I figured I 9900x would be better for me than an x3d chip since it can make more use of the more cores. but thanks for just overall making me feel better about my purchase.

Hope to join you soon! (Recently picked one up on sale)