Radeon R9 290X Pictured, Tested, Beats Titan

douglatins · Sep 23, 2013

Holy shit the PR of bundling the game Titanfall would be awesome

Patriot · Sep 23, 2013

douglatins said:
Holy shit the PR of bundling the game Titanfall would be awesome

One hell of a PR stunt... :laugh:

I agree that would be awesome.

Pedro Lisboa · Sep 23, 2013

Price drop of GTX 780

I hope that AMD will put the new GPU around $650,00 and it beat GTX 780,because Nvidia will drop the price of GTX 780 and I will buy a Classified for less than $600,00 :nutkick:

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AMD drivers suck and I want buy a GTX 780 Classy to replace my old GTX 580.

Casecutter · Sep 23, 2013

My optimisms: The R9 290X (reference) could provide 25-30% improvement over the 7970Ghz numbers than W1zzard showed in his GTX780 reference review at 2560x. Offer improved/efficient PowerTune/Boost ability, while provide OEM headroom for higher variants. Provide a 250W TDP with improvements for tessellation. MSRP of $550, OEM's price up to $600. A strong game bundle that includes BF4?

If AMD refrains/redirects from a direct conjectures to Titan, and just via to emphasize its' performance/value comparative to the GTX780 they'll hold the upper hand. At this point it's hard to tell if Nvidia will or capable to contend on price, it depends if GK110 production provides for a good volume of 12-SMX spec parts. My thinking is Nvidia will come to market with a 10 or 11-SMX part to fill the nothingness between the GTX770-780. Figure AMD will have probably 3, perhaps 4 cards holding between $370-550. I think Nvidia hopes there's enough faithful that believe GK110's that if even further gelded offer virtue just based on its' thoroughbred stock.

Pedro Lisboa said:
I will buy a Classified for less than $600,00

So, if they drop 15% after 4 months or basically you would be paying $6.25 a week since the release that feels like a better deal? To me you would've been better off jumping in right away, and unload the GTX580 at that time, as now you'll get less (than the $100 savings) for the GTX580 in a resale. Plus I'll be surprise if a EVGA Classified drops to $600 before say November and then you're even more upside down.

EarthDog · Sep 23, 2013

Pedro Lisboa said:
I hope that AMD will put the new GPU around $650,00 and it beat GTX 780,because Nvidia will drop the price of GTX 780 and I will buy a Classified for less than $600,00 .
AMD drivers suck and I want buy a GTX 780 Classy to replace my old GTX 580.

That card is made for LN2 overclocking, why would you pay the premium for that card when others will reach the same clocks for less money? Just get an EVGA 780 with the ACX cooler and save yourself some money.

sunweb · Sep 23, 2013

Octavean said:
Attack on Titan,....

Yeah I said it!!!

Right on the spot =) especially if prices will be the same as for HD7xxx. Its strange that Nvidia are from East yet they never heard how Titans fall, with one precise strike, a tactics that Armin made for Misaka to execute under Dot's grand scheme.

Pedro Lisboa · Sep 23, 2013

GTX 780 price drop

"That card is made for LN2 overclocking, why would you pay the premium for that card when others will reach the same clocks for less money? Just get an EVGA 780 with the ACX cooler and save yourself some money."

I read that Classy parts are better quality and durability than GTX reference parts.
In Portugal during Summer we have temperatures around 45º and GPU's suffer badly during gameplay and reach 85º and more on air (depends of model).
My GTX 580 died this year with 2,5 years and I sent it to EVGA for RMA (10 year guarantee) and yhey gave me a new one :rockout:

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AsRock · Sep 23, 2013

RCoon said:
Haha Anyone hoping this card releases with a reasonable price is delirious. It's going to be as badly priced as the Titan until somebody gets AMD off of the pedastal.

If around $600 it not really over priced for example the ATI 9800 was around that price back in the day. Yes even $600 is pricey for me but if i want it i will save for it.

Sure i like see lower prices but i bet it's cost nVidia and AMD money trying to get some thing new released.

Just hope it not silly TITAN pricing as they do nd to make a good profit too and as seen as you want them to b as good or better than nVidia they need good profit.

I just hope it's on par and the reference gets company's making 3rd party coolers for it

erocker · Sep 23, 2013

RCoon said:
Haha Anyone hoping this card releases with a reasonable price is delirious. It's going to be as badly priced as the Titan until somebody gets AMD off of the pedastal.

You know this how? Twice I've read AMD comments about this. Once they said that they aren't releasing a card over $600. Another comments was that they aren't releasing any "enthusiast" cards like Titan. I think the latter comment also has to do with price.

I expect this card to cost between $549-$599. If not? Oh well, I'll let the market settle for a month or so and see where prices are then.

BiggieShady · Sep 23, 2013

For those who are comparing amd drivers quality against nvidia drivers: here is a little test.

step 1: Go to these 2 forums (threads are sorted by date):
http://forums.amd.com/game/categories.cfm?catid=454&FTVAR_SORT=date&FTVAR_SORTORDER=asc
https://forums.geforce.com/default/board/33/geforce-drivers/?orderBy=created-DESC

step 2: Compare the seriousness of issues.

step 3: Profit!

EarthDog · Sep 23, 2013

Worst. Litmus. Test. Ever.

Casecutter · Sep 23, 2013

RCoon said:
It's going to be as badly priced as the Titan until somebody gets AMD off of the pedastal.

WTF does that mean? Complains Nvidia price badly but AMD price to high? Somebody High alright!

erocker said:
You know this how? Twice I've read AMD comments about this...

What you said is part of the veracity of such a direction, the other is what we've seen as 7970-7950 pricing in the 8 or so weeks! Plenty of Tahiti parts pricing between $180 and 280! I can't see how a company that would/can sell a 28Nm part for those prices, can then justify a part that 18% larger with 25-30% improvement, and believe a 50% increase asking price even over the supposed $400 price a Ghz is holding today is supportable!

I wasn’t happy with AMD’s Tahiti XT release part price, but at the time given lots of things like TSMC 28Nm production issues/yield, the price increase TSMC piled on, and other things like increase in memory and Bus there were some defense. This time AMD just needs to stick to their winning formula.

BiggieShady · Sep 23, 2013

EarthDog said:
Worst. Litmus. Test. Ever.

Meh, you gotta make use of driver support forums somehow.

erocker · Sep 23, 2013

Casecutter said:
What you said is part of the veracity of such a direction, the other is what we've seen as 7970-7950 pricing in the 8 or so weeks! Plenty of Tahiti parts pricing between $180 and 280! I can't see how a company that would/can sell a 28Nm part for those prices, can then justify a part that 18% larger with 25-30% improvement, and believe a 50% increase asking price even over the supposed $400 price a Ghz is holding today is supportable!

I wasn’t happy with AMD’s Tahiti XT release part price, but at the time given lots of things like TSMC 28Nm production issues/yield, the price increase TSMC piled on, and other things like increase in memory and Bus there were some defense. This time AMD just needs to stick to their winning formula.

I didn't like the Tahiti's XT price either but I don't know, maybe we were spoiled a little bit. I remember x850XT's, 6800 Ultra's and the like going for $500-600 bucks and then competition got fierce for a while in the pricing department.

I am hoping this happens again and Nvidia's current pricing is just the high point in a succession of peaks and valleys. Fingers crossed AMD doesn't base pricing on that structure.

Fluffmeister · Sep 23, 2013

AMD don't really have the premium brand to get away with high prices anyway, the FX-9590 and 7990 (even with eight games included) are proof of that.

INSTG8R · Sep 23, 2013

What boggles my mind is the 5+1 VRM phases. Heck my Sapphire has 7+2(which admittedly is one more than reference tho) Seems odd to be cutting back on VRM stages.

erocker · Sep 23, 2013

Same as Tahiti with same-ish power usage.

Tahiti:

Hawaii: (same VRM setup and more caps)

Casecutter · Sep 23, 2013

erocker said:
I didn't like the Tahiti's XT price either but I don't know, maybe we were spoiled a little bit. I remember x850XT's, 6800 Ultra's and the like going for $500-600 bucks and then competition got fierce for a while in the pricing department.

I am hoping this happens again and Nvidia's current pricing is just the high point in a succession of peaks and valleys. Fingers crossed AMD doesn't base pricing on that structure.

As Tech evolves we should see performance increase while cost go down. The idea that Nvidia brought some new Über segment to justify a place for a gaming iteration of the GK110, I believe AMD knows they don't want to get strung into that. It (Titan) will disappear as a History lesson.

Matt Skynner said, "So this next-generation line is targeting more of the enthusiast market versus the ultra-enthusiast one."

AMD sat by and watch Nvidia sell GTX480/580 for $500, while their 6970 with 10% less performance asked $380 and they didn't get earn much traction for it even in a down economy. I think that was part of AMD's motivation for the Tahiti XT price which was justified to bring price parity. And, yes Nvidia pulled the rug from under them when a GK104 size chip got them, this time the tables are turned…

Prima.Vera · Sep 23, 2013

You forgot that when HD 5870 was launched, it costs aprox 350$. I remember because I bought one after my 4870X2 failed. And same performance.

arbiter · Sep 23, 2013

What are the chances this GUY got the New AMD gpu and AMD didn't slap an NDA on him?

cadaveca · Sep 23, 2013

I am just glad to see dual BIOS switch. Performance, power consumption, specifications...don't really interest me much, really.

arbiter said:
What are the chances this GUY got the New AMD gpu and AMD didn't slap an NDA on him?

Meh. Since we get this sort of info about almost all parts that are soon to be released, who cares? I want to see these cards now, before BF3 launch. We need some software to push sales of these cards.

Xzibit · Sep 23, 2013

cadaveca said:
Meh. Since we get this sort of info about almost all parts that are soon to be released, who cares? I want to see these cards now, before BF3 launch. We need some software to push sales of these cards.

I think that ship sailed in October 25 2011.

Most likely availability will coincide with Battlefield 4

DIGITIMES - AMD Hawaii-based graphics cards to mass ship in October

fullinfusion · Sep 24, 2013

Im just sitting here watching some squirm and just laugh. Just as long as my retailer has two R9 290x's ill be happy as can be... hurry amd the cash is burning a hole in my pocket

buildzoid · Sep 24, 2013

Casecutter said:
What you said is part of the veracity of such a direction, the other is what we've seen as 7970-7950 pricing in the 8 or so weeks! Plenty of Tahiti parts pricing between $180 and 280! I can't see how a company that would/can sell a 28Nm part for those prices, can then justify a part that 18% larger with 25-30% improvement, and believe a 50% increase asking price even over the supposed $400 price a Ghz is holding today is supportable!

The yields for silicon scale according to transistor count much more than the size of the silicon and the gpu will have around 40% more silicon so the yields will be a bit more than 40% lower. That's why a full gk 110 cost so much more than a gk104.

parkerm35 · Sep 24, 2013

????

m6tzg6r said:
Who cares if it beats a titan, many of my games had issues with amd, with nvidia my problems were solved.

What games did you have problems with? I have 40+ games on steam, and my 7970 has had no problem with any of them.

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