Radeon VII Lacks Full FP64 Compute Capabilities Available to Instinct MI60

[Patriot]

Flash an MI50 BIOS on it. Problem solved. Provided you can find one.

And your fans turn off

 

[Casecutter]

Wow people thought AMD would just cannibalize there professional Instinct line of cards by giving full FP64 compute capabilities! Must be the Drugs.

 

[MrGenius]

And your fans turn off

Oooooh...deal breaker. NOT!

Run them off another 12V source. Not rocket science.

 

[srsbsns]

And your fans turn off

What if I told you that it doesn't need fans.

 

[Patriot]

What if I told you that it doesn't need fans.

300w tdp needs fans, just doesn't have to be directly attached. Watercooling tends to use more fans than original cooling.

In anycase... It will be curious to see if it is fused because these are rescued partially defective dies or turned off for segmentation.

 

[Nkd]

Building this card is an expensive thing, and with RTX 2080s already dropping towards 700$ anyway i don't see anything compelling about the Radeon VII yet.

I just don't. They have to compensate for their lack of features and high power draw with a lower price, and we don't really get that with the RVII, but how can one expect prices to come down on a new 7nm product with 16GB of HBM2? We need a traditional gaming card that can punch RTX 2070 level at 350-400$ price using conventional methods, not a grossly expensive one at 699$

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There is like 2 2080s available around 700. I didn't see any triple cooler versions for 700 or the ones that actually look better quality or some of the higher end ones. They are all 800+. So this notion that some how most 2080s are around 700 are not correct. I would compare AMD version to founders edition card that is 799.

Sorry AMD but I just don't like Radeon 7. The only thing it has going for it is the 16GB of Video Memory. At $699 I truly feel the 2080 brings more to the table with DLSS and RTX. And honestly from previous launches of high end Radeons, I don't think this is going to beat 2080 at all. 300W on 7nm, a full node shrink ahead of NVIDIA and barely competitive with their 210W offering is technological a disaster for GCN's 3D graphics performance.

I hate to say it but this is GTX 1080 Ti performance for GTX 1080 Ti price, more than a year later, and 50W more power use. But I guess you get 5GB extra VRAM, right?

With no Fp64 support it basically is a gaming card, too. So maybe it has a use for content creators but it's dead to me. I am so mad at tech prices going up and companies like Intel and Nvidia charging big bucks (markup). This year I want to see 1080~ performance (What we had in 2016!!) at £200 price point with good features. 2060 is not this card and I hear 6GB is already limiting it with RTX and stuff.
Navi GTX 1080 perf for £200 make it happen AMD. Kthx,.

by the time RTX comes to play we will have next gen cards here already, because right now you pretty much need 2080ti to have that peace of mind playing rtx. 50 more watt is nothing. 16GB of ram is useful at 4k, some games are starting to go over 8gb. Like division 2 and battlefield 5. AMD has no reason to force RTX. I would rather have them bang out the CPUs and mid-range for now until their next gen in 2020.

 

[Fluffmeister]

Good news and entirely unsurprisingly, one mans "gimp" is anothers "sensible business". Turns out AMD are learning after all.

Now speaking of progress, I look forward to seeing how this compares to the 1080 Ti as near as makes no difference two years later.

 

[Mistral]

by the time RTX comes to play we will have next gen cards here already, because right now you pretty much need 2080ti to have that peace of mind playing rtx. 50 more watt is nothing. 16GB of ram is useful at 4k, some games are starting to go over 8gb. Like division 2 and battlefield 5. AMD has no reason to force RTX. I would rather have them bang out the CPUs and mid-range for now until their next gen in 2020.

You are a bloody optimist. It'll be at least 2 or 3 hardware generations before ray-tracing in games becomes anything close to semi-common.

 

[Jism]

300w tdp needs fans, just doesn't have to be directly attached. Watercooling tends to use more fans than original cooling.

In anycase... It will be curious to see if it is fused because these are rescued partially defective dies or turned off for segmentation.

Proberly locked by bios. Wonder if flashing a Vega 64 bios into these Vega 7 cards does anything except for bricking it.

 

[Flanker]

graphics rendering only requires single point precision, no?

 

[Mysteoa]

The second issue are drivers. To go back to AMD video cards they have to be more on top of the drivers and software. I'm not sure why this isn't mentioned more. But that is a significant difference between green and red. AMD will sometimes take up to 2-3 months after a game release to put out an optimized driver for a game. I've had to wait 3+ months before for AMD drivers to be put out to play games. NV has issues with drivers sometimes too, but far less often and generally the experience for me and I think most has been that drivers for new games are available much earlier with fewer bugs on NV. I spent far too much time scouring forums for fixes to AMD video card drivers to try to fix glitches in games. In fact about the only problem I run into with NV drivers is sometimes needing to downgrade to an older version if I go back and play an older game. Again, neither are perfect and I've had both for years. But I would say NV has the edge.

Could you show me when in recent years after Adrenalin edition AMD didn't made game ready drivers in reasonable time. They are release two to three drivers per month, around the same frequency as Nvidia. If we are talking about bugs, to me it loos like they are on the same level. I would also like to mention that AMD only had one driver that killed a GPU where as Nvidia did have at least 3 drivers. Which is not really something to brag about, but it shows that they are not too different in the quality.
I do think they have to work more with devs, but its hard to beat Nvidia in that department as it has more resources and people.

 

[danbert2000]

Yeah I think most of the hate around R7 is the fact that it proves Navi is coming Q3/4 instead of Q1/2 like people were hoping. But either way this is still going to bring prices down a bit.

I mean Vega II looks to be clearly a bit stronger than the 2080 (unlike the V64 really only tying the 1080 for most people's games). With a slightly stronger card at $100 less money, VII will put a ceiling on pricing. Then the V64 should slot in just fine at $379, and the V56 at $329. Polaris will continue to dominate the midrange. People will just have to wait for prices to really come down.



$699 is the price on good days. VII will insure the overall price moves closes to (or below) $699. I agree there are a couple of good $699 options for the 2080 right now, but usually it's just 1/5 star blower junk cards.

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/prod...Ch2fjQedEAQYASABEgI5rfD_BwE&lsft=BI:514&smp=Y

$699 for an EVGA 2080 with a regular cooler. So you're just making stuff up...

 

[Keullo-e]

And your fans turn off

With a waterblock I don't see any problem.

 

[medi01]

So, the "It isn't a gaming card" statement ... won't exist.

Because disabling features in enterprise card makes it a gamer card... wow, such a brilliant reasoning, you should not be doing that for free, ask for money before commenting.

 

[Patriot]

Because disabling features in enterprise card makes it a gamer card... wow, such a brilliant reasoning, you should not be doing that for free, ask for money before commenting.

But then he won't comment if no one pa....ooooooooooh

 

[Captain_Tom]

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1441723-REG/evga_geforce_rtx_2080_black.html/?ap=y&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI7vTOi-Xw3wIVDbnACh2fjQedEAQYASABEgI5rfD_BwE&lsft=BI:514&smp=Y

$699 for an EVGA 2080 with a regular cooler. So you're just making stuff up...

I repeat: "I agree there are a couple of good $699 options for the 2080 right now, but usually it's just 1/5 star blower junk cards. "

Do you know how to read?

 

[danbert2000]

I repeat: "I agree there are a couple of good $699 options for the 2080 right now, but usually it's just 1/5 star blower junk cards. "

Do you know how to read?

The card I linked is not a blower junk card, so your assertion is false. 2080's start at $700, including ones with good fans, and are more expensive if they are factory OC'ed. Full stop.