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i need to know a fiew things first of all im runing raid trough win10 ( no hardware controler card )
im gona switch cases and i need to know if if win10 raid system are sata port sensetive. like if i switch hardrive locations to differend ports if they stil work or does it need to be connected to the corrects ports??
second qeustion when upgrading to win 11 will my raid setup stil work???
 
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I mean I’ve migrated my arrays plenty of times without issues. I mean I just generally use 2 ports next to each other I don’t know if it makes any difference at all. I also do my arrays via BIOS, I’ve never actually used Windows RAID so I don’t know if that makes a difference
 
First question, do you have a good reason for running RAID. Remember RAID is not a backup.

You don't mention how many drives are in the array. 2, 3, 4, more?

If you're running RAID0 (striped) and any drive in the array goes bad, you lose all your data. RAID0 is predominantly used to increase read speeds over those available from a single drive.

RAID1 (mirrored) is designed to keep a system running until it's convenient to replace a bad drive, which should be done ASAP. You cannot guarantee that one drive in a mirrored array will stay 100% good for months after another drive has failed. Faults tend to accumulate, possibly on all drives in the array.

RAID1 doesn't protect against Ransomware, or accidental file deletion, or catastrophic computer failure.

RAID5 with parity, provides a better chance of retaining data when one drive fails, but again you should replace the faulty drive immediately.

I run RAID6 on 8 hard disks which means any 2 drives can fail (and in theory) the data will still be safe on the remaining drives. But I also keep backups.

Assuming you have all the data on your RAID backed up elsewhere (if not, why not) try swapping round the SATA cables and see if anything happens. If it's still accessible, you probably have software RAID, not hardware RAID, but I can't be 100% sure.

If you're keeping your current motherboard and updating to Windows 11, you'll probably be OK. If you're moving the array to a different motherboard, it might work, then again perhaps not.

Regardless, if you don't have all your RAID data backed up elsewhere, do it now. Then when you upgrade to Windows 11, it should be plain sailing.

I've had bad experiences with RAID1 in the past. The first time was with two 1TB drives. Different files slowly became corrupted on each drive and it took ages to recover most of the files. The other array of 4 drives required an identical motherboard with the same SATA chipset to regain control.

I've switched over to TrueNAS Core (not Windows) and it allowed me to move arrays between two completely different systems with no issues.
 
First question, do you have a good reason for running RAID. Remember RAID is not a backup.

You don't mention how many drives are in the array. 2, 3, 4, more?

If you're running RAID0 (striped) and any drive in the array goes bad, you lose all your data. RAID0 is predominantly used to increase read speeds over those available from a single drive.

RAID1 (mirrored) is designed to keep a system running until it's convenient to replace a bad drive, which should be done ASAP. You cannot guarantee that one drive in a mirrored array will stay 100% good for months after another drive has failed. Faults tend to accumulate, possibly on all drives in the array.

RAID1 doesn't protect against Ransomware, or accidental file deletion, or catastrophic computer failure.

RAID5 with parity, provides a better chance of retaining data when one drive fails, but again you should replace the faulty drive immediately.

I run RAID6 on 8 hard disks which means any 2 drives can fail (and in theory) the data will still be safe on the remaining drives. But I also keep backups.

Assuming you have all the data on your RAID backed up elsewhere (if not, why not) try swapping round the SATA cables and see if anything happens. If it's still accessible, you probably have software RAID, not hardware RAID, but I can't be 100% sure.

If you're keeping your current motherboard and updating to Windows 11, you'll probably be OK. If you're moving the array to a different motherboard, it might work, then again perhaps not.

Regardless, if you don't have all your RAID data backed up elsewhere, do it now. Then when you upgrade to Windows 11, it should be plain sailing.

I've had bad experiences with RAID1 in the past. The first time was with two 1TB drives. Different files slowly became corrupted on each drive and it took ages to recover most of the files. The other array of 4 drives required an identical motherboard with the same SATA chipset to regain control.

I've switched over to TrueNAS Core (not Windows) and it allowed me to move arrays between two completely different systems with no issues.
sure i have a good reason. but its kind of my own buseniss if i want it or not
i have 4 drives in raid 1 2x2tb 2x6tb
i had hardrive failures me in the past so i want to minimize the risk of losing large amount of data i cant store online in cloud
i already know that i have software raid under windows OS not trough mainboard raid system or a raid card

would raid 1 be safer? the more drives you have the more you can lose?? not sure about the rebuilding speed
 
These are all software raid. Sometimes called FAKE raids

im gona switch cases

And where is the issue?

second qeustion when upgrading to win 11 will my raid setup stil work???

who konws?

#3 totally agree. Have backups.

like if i switch hardrive locations to differend ports if they stil work or does it need to be connected to the corrects ports??

I do not know how your setup addresses and handles the storage.

When it handles the drivers properly with proper identifiers I do not see any issues.
 
issue with switching cases??
the problem is that i have to take my pc apart. probaly switching the drives with each port if i connect the drives wrong..
thus seeing wrong or missing drives in the raid aray . since i doubt sata works like usb port where you can just mix devices and stil connects propely and setups automaticly by the os
when disk 1 is connected to say port 1 and disk 2 connected to port 5 in the raid aray

probaly going to need to color code each sata port the drives are connected to
 
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i had hardrive failures me in the past so i want to minimize the risk of losing large amount of data i cant store online in cloud
RAID will not guarantee against file loss in all cases. Only multiple backups in different places will protect you against most eventualities.
https://www.raidisnotabackup.com/

The minimum you should be aiming at is 3 copies of all important files on different disk drives, in 3 different locations. You can use hard disks, SSDs, USB memory sticks, optical disks, tapes (or even the dreaded cloud which I only use for file transfers). It doesn't matter where you store files, provided they're not all in one machine.

As I said earlier, if your computer gets hit by Ransomware, both copies of files in a RAID1 array could be encrypted. If you don't have any offline copies physically disconnected from your machine at the time of a virus attack, you'll have lost all your data. RAID won't protect it.

Similarly, if you make a mistake and delete a large folder full of files and don't spot the error before they're overwritten with new data, both copies on a RAID1 array will be lost. As with Ransomware, if you don't have another copy elsewhere, RAID won't protect you.

In the rare event of a catastrophic ATX PSU failure and the dying PSU zaps all the drives with high voltage, your hard disks will stop working. If the hard drives have gone up in smoke, RAID will not protect you.

The simple fact is RAID is not a good backup strategy. It merely reduces the chances of data loss in some circumstances when a drive fails.

As I mentioned earlier, both 1TB drives in my RAID1 array slowly developed faults and I was none the wiser for a long time. This was many years ago and I learned my lesson. Don't trust your only copy of important files to a single RAID system.

For many people with modest storage requirements, 3 separate (non RAID) drives in 3 different locations are enough to safeguard data. You should never have all three copies connected to one machine at the same time, in case of Ransomware or PSU failure. All 3 copies could get zapped.

would raid 1 be safer? the more drives you have the more you can lose?? not sure about the rebuilding speed
RAID1 is safer than RAID0, which provides no protection against disk failure, just extra speed.

Rebuilding (resilvering) speed depends on the amount of data and can take hours or days.

Other versions of RAID would provide more protection than RAID1.

In RAID5, you can lose one drive from the array and (in theory) you should not lose any data.

In RAID6, you can lose any two drives from the array and (in theory) your data will still be safe.

There are other versions of RAID if you care to investigate.

I run four RAID-Z2 arrays (equivalent to RAID6) in an Operating System called TrueNAS Core.
https://www.truenas.com/truenas-core/

Three of the arrays are made up from 8 drives per array. The fourth array contains only 6 drives.

All 8 (or 6) drives are exactly the same capacity, e.g. 8 x 6TB drives, 6 x 4TB drives.

In RAID-Z2 (RAID6) you automatically lose two drives' capacity due to parity, hence 8 x 6TB provides only 6 x 6TB (36TB) of storage space. 6 x 4TB provides only 4 x 4TB = 16TB of storage space. You sacrifice total drive space for security in RAID5 or RAID6.

The more drives you use in an array, the greater the risk of drive failure. For bigger arrays (over 10 drives) I'd switch to RAID-Z3, which allows for up to 3 drives to fail, or split the array into two VDEVs.

I keep multiple copies of important data on the four RAID-Z2 systems. I keep more backups on individual hard disks in desktop computers. I even backup data to 800GB tapes, then click the write-protect tab to prevent accidental or malicious deletion. Yes it's total overkill and I'm paranoid, but I'm more likely to preserve my data than you are with a single RAID array.

If you want to check for "bit rot" and file errors, you can run Data Scrub tasks and SMART Tests on a regular basis. These helps to uncover file and disk degradation.

sure i have a good reason. but its kind of my own buseniss if i want it or not
Sure it's your business, not mine, as to why you want to run RAID, but I hope you can see that it's not a "magic bandaid" that protects against file loss. That's what backups are for. At the moment you're just trusting to luck, with all your eggs in one RAID basket. I just hope it doesn't end in disaster.:)
 
i do keep seperate hardrive for my c drive clones. talking about Ransomware. a good anti virus like eset would do the trick or not??
 
i need to know a fiew things first of all im runing raid trough win10 ( no hardware controler card )
im gona switch cases and i need to know if if win10 raid system are sata port sensetive. like if i switch hardrive locations to differend ports if they stil work or does it need to be connected to the corrects ports??
second qeustion when upgrading to win 11 will my raid setup stil work???
Not sure it matters with Win10 soft raid. - I assume via Disk Manager correct? If anything I would just make sure the physical SATA connections for the devices in the RAID are on on the same controller/chipset to at least help avoid potential problems.

sure i have a good reason. but its kind of my own buseniss if i want it or not
i have 4 drives in raid 1 2x2tb 2x6tb
i had hardrive failures me in the past so i want to minimize the risk of losing large amount of data i cant store online in cloud
i already know that i have software raid under windows OS not trough mainboard raid system or a raid card

would raid 1 be safer? the more drives you have the more you can lose?? not sure about the rebuilding speed
If you are going to setup RAID of any kind you will want to be sure to test setup, failure, and rebuild procedures so you know what to expect in your RAID setup. This can be a bit time consuming at the start but there is no better time to resolve that so you have confidence your setup and most importantly your recovery (or capacity expansion) will work when a disk failure occurs or when you decide to increase the capacity of your array.

One of the challenges with RAID is you need to be able to identify which drive you need to replace. This might require that you correctly identify and label your drives that correspond to how the software identifies the drives. One approach to this might be during the setup of the array force a failure by disconnecting the drive and see in software where the failure is detected. If you need to move that soft raid to another system you might need to take this into account too so you can map device identifiers. For example from motherboard A stata ports 1-4 move to motherboard AIC sata card ports 1-4. Port identification may be different but they will still be in sequence at least and you can relabel your drives accordingly.
 
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Are you just using Windows Disk Management (WDM) to crate the soft RAID? I went this route with my SSD's in particular so they would be very portable to another system if my computer failed at the cost of OS/CPU overhead for the array. On the other side of the coin when using other RAID solutions (hard or soft) from hardware or motherboard there can be a chance of incompatibility when moving that array to other systems. In either case if array portability is important to you it should be something you research and test for as well.

With SATA drives but you may have the benefit of hot swapping if you enable hot plug for SATA in UEFI (I haven't actually tested hot plug with WDM so I don't know how well that is going to work).

With WDM having a high core count CPU can be helpful and performance may be better with faster CPU's as well although with SATA HDD not sure if it makes much of a difference as CPU's these days are plenty fast.

I don't know if Windows11 complicates things with bitlocker but if bitlocker is applied to your soft array that might cause complications with portability between machines.
 
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Windows Disk Management (WDM), Yes thats correct
 
talking about Ransomware. a good anti virus like eset would do the trick or not??
You'd hope any decent anti-virus would stop a Ransomware attack, but what happens if it's a zero day exploit and your AV software updated three hours ago, before they added the new signatures? Don't count on any anti virus being 100% perfect. AV with a 99.9% detection rate still lets through 0.1% of attacks and it only takes one....

Even 100% perfect AV won't protect your drives if the PSU dies spectacularly and zaps them all with over-voltage. Ditto a burst water pipe in the ceiling when the drives are powered on, a lightning strike in a nearby thunder storm, fire, flood, burglary, etc. All your data stored in one machine with no other backup is asking for trouble.

Still, if you keep your fingers firmly crossed behind your back, it might never happen.

One of the challenges with RAID is you need to be able to identify which drive you need to replace.
TrueNAS Core tells you the serial number of the drive that's failed. Just check all the drive labels until you find the culprit. I've no idea if Windows offers the same level of granularity. On my HP servers, the failed drive can also be determined by the lack of activity of the rotating LEDs on the drive sleds.

For example from motherboard A stata ports 1-4 move to motherboard AIC sata card ports 1-4. Port identification may be different but they will still be in sequence at least and you can relabel your drives accordingly.
I moved an array of eight SAS drives from an HP Intel Xeon server with ECC RAM to an ordinary desktop PC with an old AMD CPU and standard RAM. No need to worry about drive order when connecting to the LSI SAS HBA controller in the desktop. TrueNAS sorts everything out for you. Copy the small configuration file over and the array's back up and accessible. I never connect my TrueNAS servers directly (or indirectly) to the internet, to reduce attack vectors.
 
You'd hope any decent anti-virus would stop a Ransomware attack, but what happens if it's a zero day exploit and your AV software updated three hours ago, before they added the new signatures? Don't count on any anti virus being 100% perfect. AV with a 99.9% detection rate still lets through 0.1% of attacks and it only takes one....

Even 100% perfect AV won't protect your drives if the PSU dies spectacularly and zaps them all with over-voltage. Ditto a burst water pipe in the ceiling when the drives are powered on, a lightning strike in a nearby thunder storm, fire, flood, burglary, etc. All your data stored in one machine with no other backup is asking for trouble.

Still, if you keep your fingers firmly crossed behind your back, it might never happen.


TrueNAS Core tells you the serial number of the drive that's failed. Just check all the drive labels until you find the culprit. I've no idea if Windows offers the same level of granularity. On my HP servers, the failed drive can also be determined by the lack of activity of the rotating LEDs on the drive sleds.


I moved an array of eight SAS drives from an HP Intel Xeon server with ECC RAM to an ordinary desktop PC with an old AMD CPU and standard RAM. No need to worry about drive order when connecting to the LSI SAS HBA controller in the desktop. TrueNAS sorts everything out for you. Copy the small configuration file over and the array's back up and accessible. I never connect my TrueNAS servers directly (or indirectly) to the internet, to reduce attack vectors.
i had more hardrive failures than any thing els in my lifetime
 
i had more hardrive failures than any thing els in my lifetime
Not surprising considering hard drives contain shock-sensitive moving parts and discs spinning at high speed.

Mind you, some drives can be expected to last longer than others.

I was gifted some ex-server 4TB WD Gold drives recently. One of them has been running for 2,929 days, 11 hours, with only 59 start stop cycles. That's just over 8 years running time, 24/7 for months on end. Enterprise drives can be expensive but they often come with longer warranties. Even so, 8 years running time is pushing the boundaries, but it shows some drives can last ages. I'm not using these old drives for anything important, but they were free.

I check the Backblaze statistics before buying drives and avoid less reliable models.
https://blocksandfiles.com/2025/02/11/backblaze-2024-failure-rate-stats/

Backblaze-Q4-2024-HDD-failure-rates.jpg


I was tempted by some factory refurbished 12TB Seagate ST12000NM0007 hard drives on Amazon until I saw the 11.77% failure rate. No wonder they were going cheap. My ex-server WD Golds are currently in an old Lian Li V2000 case with room inside for eighteen 3.5" drives. Should make a good server when I eventually fill the case with hard drives.

https://www.backblaze.com/blog/backblaze-drive-stats-for-q3-2024/
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