random shut down-PSU issue?

[Deleted member 234478]

we do have a lot of electrical outages. off then on. could be all those damaged the psu?

it now has random power offs. like you turned the power button off on the psu

 

[Legacy Ivy Terascale]

maybe you need a more powerfull PSU
or CPU /and GPU are blowing hot air into it
what video card you have ?
what CPU cooler you have ?
what PSU you have ?
what case you have ?

 

[P4-630]

we do have a lot of electrical outages.

You should get an UPS (uninterruptible power supply).

 

[Deleted member 234478]

case antec 902 side door is open
psu antec 600w
gtx 660
8320fx lapped true120

been running like this for 5 years straight

ill swap an older 550w psu and see if thats the issue

You should get an UPS (uninterruptible power supply).

ill have to open it up and disable the beeping

I have bad misophonia

 

[Calenhad]

Yes, constant power outages can damage a power supply. I would also highly recommend the same as P4-630 above, get a UPS.

But start by testing with a second psu as you said in the previous post. Sometimes unrelated issues are so similar that we make the wrong conclusion as to what caused it.

 

[P4-630]

Well I wouldn't be buying any new parts until I had a proper working UPS.

 

[Vya Domus]

Regular outages are unlikely to cause any damage, even if they're frequent.

 

[68Olds]

Regular outages are unlikely to cause any damage, even if they're frequent.

That is very true.

However, brown-outs and/or spikes from the utility can damage all sorts of equipment.

 

[Deleted member 234478]

Regular outages are unlikely to cause any damage, even if they're frequent.

that is flase. the drops then on again will zap your appliances. it ruined a fridge of mine in another location. its known that it does. the regular drop then back up isnt a problem, but at times it drops and comes up really fast multiple times and thats when damage happens. it doesnt always hit the 230v mark

 

[Bill_Bright]

we do have a lot of electrical outages. off then on. could be all those damaged the psu?

Yes. Absolutely!

Simply killing the power (like flipping a switch or pulling the plug from the wall) can definitely, potentially cause corruption of your data and/or the boot drive, resulting in a loss of data. But these type outages typically will not damage the electronics.

HOWEVER, frequent (even one, actually) unexpected "grid" power outage (and/or the return of that power) caused by an unstable grid (due to storms, substandard generation, etc.) often are accompanied by excessive surges or spikes (often seen as "flickers" in the lights) that could easily damage a PSU.

To make matters worse, while also rare, a faulty PSU can damage the connected components too.

You should get an UPS (uninterruptible power supply).

Agreed.

Well I wouldn't be buying any new parts until I had a proper working UPS.

I agree with this too. I would also verify your outlets are properly wired and grounded. Every home and every computer user should have access to a AC Outlet Tester to ensure the wall outlet is properly wired and grounded to Earth ground. I recommend one with a GFCI (ground fault circuit interrupt) indicator as it can be used to test bathroom and kitchen outlets (outlets near water) too. These testers can be found for your type and voltage outlet, foreign or domestic, (like this one for the UK, or this one for German outlets) at most home improvement stores, or even the electrical department at Wal-Mart. Use it to test all the outlets in the home and if a fault is shown, have it fixed by a qualified electrician.

 

[Vya Domus]

that is flase.

It's weird because you're asking us if it can damage your PSU and then you're like "nah, this is false". OK lol, why even post this ?

 

[Bill_Bright]

ill have to open it up and disable the beeping

Not true. Any decent UPS these days let you simply disable the beep through the front panel control panel, or the UPS software.

OK lol, why even post this ?

I agree with Vya on this. It makes no sense to ask the question if you already have the only answer you are willing to accept in your head.

If I wasn't typing my last reply when you posted yours, I would not have wasted my time creating and posting it. You are just wasting everyone's time.

I'm outta here.

 

[Chrispy_]

Outages can't hurt your PSU, but if you have appliances die on you when your power comes back on, there's potentially something in your house that's faulty either the breaker device itself or an appliance on the same circuit. You should get that tested by an electrician, tbh. We had a faulty condensate pump in the server room that dumped out-of-phase AC due to 'some kind of rectifier fault' , so it was briefly causing 650V spikes in the 230V mains power on that circuit without drawing enough current to trip a breaker or blow a fuse. It was only when the UPS technician used a multimeter on the circuit that he realised the UPS was fine and something else was sneaking past the protections.

Anyway, test the PC is working with another PSU, and then either hire an electrician or buy and learn how to use a multimeter when you flip the mains power on and off at the main breaker.

 

[bug]

case antec 902 side door is open
psu antec 600w
gtx 660
8320fx lapped true120

If the PSU is as old as that CPU, it could be dying of old age, nothing to do with power failures.

 

[Bill_Bright]

Outages can't hurt your PSU

Again, it is not the actual outage or loss of power (other than the potential for lost data and/or drive corruption). It is when the power is restored it often is not "clean" or stable and often comes with several surges and spikes and those definitely can destroy a power supply! So we have to be careful when telling others power outages can't hurt your PSU as that can be very misleading, if not untrue because outages are always followed by restores.

Note the instability when power comes up is not just from the grid's source (generators, transformers, distribution block, power stations, etc.). We must remember that throughout the entire section of town when power is restored, EVERY refrigerator, freezer, air conditioner, light and other devices in the whole region start up at that exact same moment placing a HUGE demand back on the grid. This alone can create even more instability issues, again resulting in even more surges and spikes.

These are all good reasons to have our sensitive electronics on a good UPS with AVR.

BTW, a good surge and spike protector will help with surges and spikes HOWEVER, surges and spike protectors wear out and become ineffective without any warning. Many experts recommended surge and spike protectors be replaced every 2 years). A good UPS with AVR, on the other hand, has "intelligent" circuits that compensate for aging effects.

 

[bug]

Eh, it's not like PSUs and other electrical parts don't have protections on their inputs. Despite that, if you keep trying, you will eventually succeed.

 

[Legacy Ivy Terascale]

i think you got a faulty grid at that place where you have the computer , may be local or just for that real-estate property
i suggest you get a UPS or/and try another PSU
both from a retailer from the same town ; in case those are bad , you can go to refund

PSU should only be from a reputable brand ( except ASUS )
i suggest InterTech or SeaSonic
also make shure it has enough cables
ex.: if you have an SATA SSD and a HDD , and the PSU has 1 cable with 2 or 3 SATA connectors , DO NOT use more connectors per cable at once
seasonic has that detailed with B12 BC and G12 GM series

 

[Chrispy_]

i suggest InterTech or SeaSonic

LOL what?
I've been working in this industry as a system integrator for 20 years and I've never once heard of InterTech
This may be a bit off-topic, but:

• Google doesn't have a clue who InterTech are.
• Amazon doesn't have a clue who InterTech are.
• No reputable sources of journalism have reviewed any InterTech PSUs
• Nobody in the US, Canada, or EMEA will sell me an Intertech PSU
• The only match I've found for "InterTech PSU" was an ebay listing from China for a cheap USB phone charger with a bunch of reviews screaming "FAKE!!" and "Caught fire on first use"

Could you please elaborate on why you mentioned InterTech? I'm genuinely curious...

 

[Chrispy_]

Found them PSU's https://tweakers.net/pricewatch/zoe...JzM9TsiopKk3VUcpOrSzPL0pRslLyzCtJLQpJTc5QqgUA

It looks like they mainly sell server stuff...
German brand.

Tiny little German reseller who don't make any of their own stuff, just slap a label on some no-name crap they've imported a few crates of from Shenzen.

• Their website is currently down, and isup.me says it's down for everyone.
• They're so small they don't have a wikipedia entry
• According to the German Government company registrar they have yet to file a single set of accounts, so they're less than 12-months old, under this particular iteration of their name.
• It would appear this very young company has already gone bankrupt and ceased trading. I'm sure a slightly different spelling of Intertech will pop up as a new company soon.

I'm guessing like most of these dodgy China-relabellers, they pop up and go bankrupt only to reappear under a new name faster than a fiscal tax year, so they never have to file proper company records.

My real confusion was mentioning InterTech (only Inter-Tech gets any PC-related results because there are so many other-industry brands called Intertech) as a reputable brand. They have so little reputation that there aren't even any official company tax records, let alone a single proper review of one of their PSUs!

 

[Legacy Ivy Terascale]

LOL what?
I've been working in this industry as a system integrator for 20 years and I've never once heard of InterTech
This may be a bit off-topic, but:

• Google doesn't have a clue who InterTech are.
• Amazon doesn't have a clue who InterTech are.
• No reputable sources of journalism have reviewed any InterTech PSUs
• Nobody in the US, Canada, or EMEA will sell me an Intertech PSU
• The only match I've found for "InterTech PSU" was an ebay listing from China for a cheap USB phone charger with a bunch of reviews screaming "FAKE!!" and "Caught fire on first use"

Could you please elaborate on why you mentioned InterTech? I'm genuinely curious...

you live on Mars ?

 

[XpanD]

Inter-Tech has been around for a good while, and they offer some nice (relabeled, no doubt) cases and the like. They've definitely been around way longer than a year, I have a rackmount case from them from 2016 that I kinda love. (was super cheap, and it's honestly not much worse quality than my Silverstone RM51 which is 5-6x the price!)

Wouldn't trust their power supplies without seeing a tear-down, though -- definitely seen some suspicious stuff from them there. (and usually for a too-good-to-be-true price, too)

 

[Chrispy_]

you live on Mars ?

Clearly.
Can you link a review, or recommendation that shows how InterTech's PSUs are so reputable please?

Inter-Tech has been around for a good while, and they offer some nice (relabeled, no doubt) cases and the like. They've definitely been around way longer than a year,

Common in the China-import industry to pop up with a name, sell a bunch of products in the West and then shut down and rebrand to avoid duties, taxes, other charges that legitimate businesses run.

I suspect there's an InterTech, Inter-Tech, Inter Tech LLC, InterTech Computing LTD etc.

The simple fact is that they haven't filed proper tax records with the German authorities yet, meaning that they're either name-cycling to avoid regulatory interaction or they're a shell company for some other alphabet-soup importer.

 

[R-T-B]

I must live on Mars too. Cool, we beat Elon.

 

[Legacy Ivy Terascale]

Can you link a review, or recommendation that shows how InterTech's PSUs are so reputable please?

reviews can be found by anyone on the internet
what i sayd was based on personal experince
i didnt tested many PSU's , just gave inquisitor1 suggestion in case he/she find to many

 

[bug]

reviews can be found by anyone on the internet
what i sayd was based on personal experince
i didnt tested many PSU's , just gave inquisitor1 suggestion in case he/she find to many

Ah yes. Condescendence and personal experience. The main ingredients for a trusty recommendation. To hell with things like: https://cultists.network/140/psu-tier-list/

Edit: Welcome to TPU, btw. But lose the attitude.