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Reasons why i might not be upgrading to windows 11!

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I'm curious on what it will to do my pc. I have seen some people use the early version on different videos, but i haven't tried it myself. I have windows updates currently off because it updated and messed with my audio software, and sent it back to the original driver.. Some of the registry stuff i implemented to use certain applications, or things have disappeared also. There was no workaround until just yesterday I found an option to not let windows update certain drivers. I think it was still deleting some registry values so I just turned it back off. Anyway im also curious and excited to what new features might be in store in the new os. Possibly more compatibility? Better response times? Im going to wait until it's been tested enough to where it's stable and try it on a computer I don't really care for, and if I like I might consider the new os for my main pc. Let me know what you think about windows 11. -IrishCrispy
 
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going to leave it least a year,maybe 2 , give it time to get semi sorted out and stable, no rush , i only changed to Win 10 in late 2019 :)
 
going to leave it least a year,maybe 2 , give it time to get semi sorted out and stable, no rush , i only changed to Win 10 in late 2019 :)
Yeah, i understand what you mean. Something that is produced isnt always perfect right after it releases. There might be bugs, or certain issues. I mean windows 10 came out in 2015, its been a while since there's been a successor. So not speaking for anyone mainly, they don't know what will happen yet. (Good response)
 
I see no reason to make any decision now. Wait until it comes out.

Personally, I will not be "upgrading" any of my current systems. I built this, my main computer, specifically for W10 back in February 2016 for my birthday using components certified for use with W10. I will probably do the same for W11 this next February.

As a tech with a shop, I can say without a doubt, the biggest problems with W10 has been with systems built with older hardware designed for W7, Vista or even XP where the originally install OS was upgraded to W10. But that is NOT Microsoft's fault. It is up to the hardware makers to ensure compatible drivers are available, not Microsoft's.

Let's not forget the lessons learned from history.

During the development of XP, Microsoft was forced to cave-in to pressures from the corporate world (MS's biggest client base) and include legacy hardware and software support in XP. This was because the corporate world did not want to retool again. And I sure understand their plight here. It is a very expensive process to buy all new hardware and reprogram all their custom software just to ensure compatibility with another new OS. They had to do this moving from CP/M to DOS, and from DOS to Windows 3.x and again from 3.x to 95/98. So they insisted XP support all that DOS/95 era software and hardware.

The problem is, to ensure support of these less secure legacy hardware and software products, MS was forced to compromise the security that was included in the latest, state-of-the-art technologies of the current hardware and software techniques.

Remember, Microsoft even wanted to include anti-virus code in XP but Norton, McAfee, CA, TrendMicro whined and cried to Congress and the EU that Microsoft was trying to rule the world (they were - but that's another issue) and monopolize the industry (also true, but irrelevant here). They claimed it was their job to rid the world of malware (we see how well that went! :rolleyes: ).

Congress and the EU threated to break up Microsoft Ma Bell-style if Microsoft didn't remove that advanced (for the time) anti-virus code. So Microsoft removed the anti-virus code from the final release version of XP.

Then what happened? The bad guys moved in and exploited the unprotected vulnerabilities in XP. But who got blamed? Users who failed to secure their systems? Nope! Norton & McAfee for failing to stop the bad guys? Nope! The bad guys who perpetrated the offenses? Nope! Microsoft got blamed - relentlessly for the next 10+ years.

So today, Microsoft would much rather ensure compatibility with the latest most secure hardware technologies and get blamed for failing to support outdated, superseded, legacy products than get blamed for being lax in security. And I don't blame them! In fact, I applaud their decision. Security must take top priority. And we consumers must accept that that means we must retire our perfectly good legacy hardware and stay current with the times. We do it with our cell-phones, TVs, and other products. So too must we with our computers.

Simple fact is that, will it ruin or destroy my computer.
Oh bullfeathers! You don't know that. You cannot predict the future and declare it a "fact". You are only guessing, and worse, projecting your biases. The only simple fact about the future that is certain is the sun will rise tomorrow - and even that is not a 100% certainty.

There are over 1 billion W10 systems out there with almost all running with Windows Update settings at the default settings. And "the simple fact" is the vast majority, by a HUGE margin, don't have problems. Why? Because they leave the defaults and Registry settings alone! Why? Because, contrary to what many want us to believe, the developers at Microsoft do know what they are doing. I cannot and will not say the same for the marketing weenies and execs, but the developers are some of the best in the world.

Do some folks have problems? Sure! Nothing human made is 100% perfect 100% of the time. But the fact is Windows Updates works. The problem is, if just 1/10 of 1% of the W10 users have problems, that is still 1,000,000 upset users! That's a lot! And 1 million upset users can make a lot of noise - especially when amplified and repeated over and over again by Microsoft bashers, bloggers, and wannabe journalists in the IT press. Yet, there are not anything near 1 million systems that break every time a new Windows Update comes out. We MUST look at the big picture and not assume our own anecdotal experiences, these rare exceptions to the rule, are normal or make the rule. They don't.
 
If for some reason you want Win 11, get LTSC version, if and when it will be available. Im fairly positive it will be a lot better than regular one (but expect some stuff not working or some work required to make it work more like "regular" version).
 
I'll see it in 2025...
 
Yes the new WIN 11 indeed will take some time to settle-in. But MS obviously wants for everyone to get a free install update ASAP as there are undaubtely many new items (or gremlins) "baked-in" and as proffered by MS under the cover for the benefit, security, protection and ease by the consumer. Many at the computer show this past week are still trying to figure out what exactly are the differences between 10 and 11? Are they really that tangible or that significant, or are we the consumer being the product again? And is this another exercise by MS simply again in generating more privacy invasion cash. At least that was my take-away from the aisles at the show. As to me "the man on the street" I will let things fall as they may as in one way or another MS will shuff WIN 11 onto my PC no matter what and as ultimately I will have no real control over that. That is the world we are living in today!
 
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For my uses it seems as stable as 10, just a little different.. I’ve been running it for a few days it runs pretty good.
 
Actually tried to upgrade to the beta build, enabled TMP... still said my system wasn't compatible and couldn't for the life of me figure out the issue..

I have a feeling they're going to walk back a lot of these requirements, no chance majority of their user base knows how to go into BIOS and troubleshoot compatibility issues.
 
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For my uses it seems as stable as 10, just a little different.. I’ve been running it for a few days it runs pretty good.
Same here!
and it is quicker! lightweight.
while 10 had at the end 320k datafiles 11 has got 87k to hande/manage. underneath it's programmed more fluid. esp. while gaming. these are my personal perceptions ofc. but i am convinced to notice that during the time of getting experience and using 10 for many years now.

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look at my post of today installing it without requirements. its in the general software forum
 
i upgraded my desktop win 10 to 11 because im curious about hdr and performance uplifts in terms of gaming. Anyway, not my main OS. But if it is your main OS/computer, then better wait a year or two. Still in beta / dev stage anyway which is expected to have some bugs
 
I see no reason to make any decision now. Wait until it comes out.

Personally, I will not be "upgrading" any of my current systems. I built this, my main computer, specifically for W10 back in February 2016 for my birthday using components certified for use with W10. I will probably do the same for W11 this next February.

As a tech with a shop, I can say without a doubt, the biggest problems with W10 has been with systems built with older hardware designed for W7, Vista or even XP where the originally install OS was upgraded to W10. But that is NOT Microsoft's fault. It is up to the hardware makers to ensure compatible drivers are available, not Microsoft's.

Let's not forget the lessons learned from history.

During the development of XP, Microsoft was forced to cave-in to pressures from the corporate world (MS's biggest client base) and include legacy hardware and software support in XP. This was because the corporate world did not want to retool again. And I sure understand their plight here. It is a very expensive process to buy all new hardware and reprogram all their custom software just to ensure compatibility with another new OS. They had to do this moving from CP/M to DOS, and from DOS to Windows 3.x and again from 3.x to 95/98. So they insisted XP support all that DOS/95 era software and hardware.

The problem is, to ensure support of these less secure legacy hardware and software products, MS was forced to compromise the security that was included in the latest, state-of-the-art technologies of the current hardware and software techniques.

Remember, Microsoft even wanted to include anti-virus code in XP but Norton, McAfee, CA, TrendMicro whined and cried to Congress and the EU that Microsoft was trying to rule the world (they were - but that's another issue) and monopolize the industry (also true, but irrelevant here). They claimed it was their job to rid the world of malware (we see how well that went! :rolleyes: ).

Congress and the EU threated to break up Microsoft Ma Bell-style if Microsoft didn't remove that advanced (for the time) anti-virus code. So Microsoft removed the anti-virus code from the final release version of XP.

Then what happened? The bad guys moved in and exploited the unprotected vulnerabilities in XP. But who got blamed? Users who failed to secure their systems? Nope! Norton & McAfee for failing to stop the bad guys? Nope! The bad guys who perpetrated the offenses? Nope! Microsoft got blamed - relentlessly for the next 10+ years.

So today, Microsoft would much rather ensure compatibility with the latest most secure hardware technologies and get blamed for failing to support outdated, superseded, legacy products than get blamed for being lax in security. And I don't blame them! In fact, I applaud their decision. Security must take top priority. And we consumers must accept that that means we must retire our perfectly good legacy hardware and stay current with the times. We do it with our cell-phones, TVs, and other products. So too must we with our computers.


Oh bullfeathers! You don't know that. You cannot predict the future and declare it a "fact". You are only guessing, and worse, projecting your biases. The only simple fact about the future that is certain is the sun will rise tomorrow - and even that is not a 100% certainty.

There are over 1 billion W10 systems out there with almost all running with Windows Update settings at the default settings. And "the simple fact" is the vast majority, by a HUGE margin, don't have problems. Why? Because they leave the defaults and Registry settings alone! Why? Because, contrary to what many want us to believe, the developers at Microsoft do know what they are doing. I cannot and will not say the same for the marketing weenies and execs, but the developers are some of the best in the world.

Do some folks have problems? Sure! Nothing human made is 100% perfect 100% of the time. But the fact is Windows Updates works. The problem is, if just 1/10 of 1% of the W10 users have problems, that is still 1,000,000 upset users! That's a lot! And 1 million upset users can make a lot of noise - especially when amplified and repeated over and over again by Microsoft bashers, bloggers, and wannabe journalists in the IT press. Yet, there are not anything near 1 million systems that break every time a new Windows Update comes out. We MUST look at the big picture and not assume our own anecdotal experiences, these rare exceptions to the rule, are normal or make the rule. They don't.
I updated my main response and made it a bit more detailed on what i meant, sorry i was a bit tired the other day and got lazy.
 
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I’ve been running it for a few days it runs pretty good.

Yes, here also for about 8 days. It runs on my singular computer efficiently and quickly. The novelty of the new appearances of the various apps wore off pretty fast. Now it's "just" an operating system, with a few little quirks that wil be ironed out hopefully soon.

Hope it stays stable. There are always higher risks with a DEV build.
 
I still havn't really seen a reason to upgrade, as some mentioned it seem to be lighter in general, which is nice. But if that is all then, meh? At some point, sure. But I have not seen any need to upgrade currently. Other than curiosity. Maybe the laptop can give it a go, it's already called portapotty for a reason.
 
Hope it stays stable. There are always higher risks with a DEV build.
Indeed, guess who tried running early versions of longhorn on a cellery 500 with 256mb.. so painful.. a waste of an 16 hour install :laugh:
 
I see no reason to make any decision now. Wait until it comes out.
Whoever take the decision to wait at least a year or more before upgrading in my opinion they are doing the right thing.
i remember when i still was on Windows XP and then they released Windows Vista, thanks God i decided to wait and it was worth because i saw what a crap Windows Vista was and i never Installed it, i continue using XP till a few months before end of support (2014), then Upgrade to Windows 7 ( skipped Windows 8 ) and then installed Windows 10 in 2017/2018, same thing is going to happen with Windows 11.
 
Vista was awesome lol.. I really liked it. I was hesitant on moving to 7 haha.. ah the good ol days..
 
Vista was awesome lol.. I really liked it. I was hesitant on moving to 7 haha.. ah the good ol days..
for me it was hard the 7 see passing. kept it until now

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I just upgraded my Windows 10 to 11, in display settings I turned off hdr and my screen went blank, reset didn't fix it, nor did unplugging the dp cable so now I'm a bit stuffed and doing a "reset" trying not to lose all my stuff, thankfully it's only games and programs, and yes I realise this is a beta version so totally my own fault, oh well, once a tinkerer always a tinkerer ‍:(
 
Wow I have never seen a win 7 dvd :D

Seriously! :laugh:
 
I just upgraded my Windows 10 to 11, in display settings I turned off hdr and my screen went blank, reset didn't fix it, nor did unplugging the dp cable so now I'm a bit stuffed and doing a "reset" trying not to lose all my stuff, thankfully it's only games and programs, and yes I realise this is a beta version so totally my own fault, oh well, once a tinkerer always a tinkerer ‍:(
u have a graphicschip on your CPU. unplug everything. go to bios start the internal VGA. this vga has got adifferent driver
 
No I don't, I have a ryzen :D
older VGA still in stock?

start your pc. reset button BEFORE he goes entirely into the OS. 2-3 times after another. then it goes to the repair mode. to the blue repair interface.
i hope it works
 
older VGA still in stock?
I don't think it's the video card, it was the windows hdr setting that I toggled off from the on position and it just wouldn't display after that, bios and booting to USB works so it's that setting that borked something when I changed it, reset almost complete so fingers crossed, I know not to touch that again :laugh:
 
from there secure mode . ye u crashed ther VGA driver
 
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