Refurbished HDD, Why VS Not ? ... Savings VS Risk ? (Add 2 year warrnty)

[neko77025]

Starting here .

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA5AD5740815&ignorebbr=1
+ A 2 year warrnty for +$14.00 ( was thinking get 5x and 2x Warranty, They dont use S/Ns , so the 2x Warranties would cover any of the 5 )

I have been looking to upgrade my NAS. (Going to build A FreeNAS VM on A server I have picked up).

Right now I have Toy NAS , Netgear ReadyNAS (RN102) with 2x 1TB WD RED. <--- This is about as bad of A nas as you can get. LOL /sad. I bought it just to see if I would make use of it.

Plex is going to be my main storage needs.

The server is A not issue, it will be overkill for A NAS / Transcoding.


Was planing on geting 3x more WD RED 1TB and making A ZFS or RAID 6 (5 drives ). But now I am thinking these Seagate Constellation ES.3 3TB are A hard deal to pass up. Was thinking of getting 5x and adding 2x 2year warranties to cover any losses)

What I like about them.
They are A good value ..
3TB / Enterprise NAS
7200 RPM 128MB


What I dont like.
Seagate
Refurbished
( I am assuming 2x Warranties will cover all 5 drives because they wont be linked to any S/N)
the fact that I am taking out 2x warranties tells me I feel they will fail ....


Anyhow what are your thoughts ?

 

[natr0n]

I bought a white label wd velo raptor on ebay from goharddrive no issues.

This is a seagate tho... high failure rates. The constellation drives seem to be better quality last I read.

Anyways no worries get it if you want.

 

[Killerdroid]

This is a seagate tho... high failure rates.

Careful, on another forum an angry mob descended on me for suggesting that.

 

[natr0n]

Careful, on another forum an angry mob descended on me for suggesting that.

Let them come if they dare.

 

[Killerdroid]

Let them come if they dare.

I think they were more upset that they'd purchased them as backup instead of researching first.
Perhaps it was best to say nothing in the first place.

 

[R-T-B]

Constellations are Enterprise drives, I'd like to see ANY consumer rated drive outlast one.

 

[Killerdroid]

Constellations are Enterprise drives, I'd like to see ANY consumer rated drive outlast one.

You get good and bad in every batch sold.
I had 2 Constellation drives goes belly up in under 12 months but have never had issues with WD enterprise drives.

 

[neko77025]

Thats where I am at ... I am scared of Seagate ... It was not A rumor or fake news .. its just fact. They had many drives fail for A few years. Their rep is so damaged now, I would never buy A new drive from them. It has to be one hell of A deal and something I am ok with losing.

Thinking these will be for PLEX / DVR only drives. Will keep my readyNAS for PICs / Docs....

 

[Jetster]

Check the smart data when it arrives. If its good and it doesn't have a ton of hours then it will probably be fine

 

[neko77025]

https://www.extremetech.com/computi...clear-winners-and-losers-but-is-the-data-good

Thats scary

 

[Killerdroid]

Thats where I am at ... I am scared of Seagate ... It was not A rumor or fake news .. its just fact. They had many drives fail for A few years. Their rep is so damaged now, I would never buy A new drive from them. It has to be one hell of A deal and something I am ok with losing.

Thinking these will be for PLEX / DVR only drives. Will keep my readyNAS for PICs / Docs....

WD enterprise drives are my weapon of choice. Tried and tested.
I've purchased older unused drives on fleabay a few times for a cheaper price. It might be worth you taking a look.

 

[Shou Miko]

Constellations are Enterprise drives, I'd like to see ANY consumer rated drive outlast one.

I still had these drives fail more than desktop HGST or WD drives.

 

[Aquinus]

I tend to buy new for the warranty however, I have had a non-insignificant number of WD drives fail on me. When I get the replacement, it's always refurbished and I don't recall ever losing a replacement drive. I don't want to say that buying a refurbished drive from a store will give you the same result but, as far as WD is concerned, I've never had a referb replacement fail. I do think that in a lot of cases, referb parts undergo additional QA which helps mitigate problems.

 

[newtekie1]

https://www.extremetech.com/computi...clear-winners-and-losers-but-is-the-data-good

Thats scary

Sigh...Backblaze...

If you really must believe their BS numbers, you might at least look at the latest ones that show WD drives failure rate is about 50% higher than Seagates:

But the reality is that the brand of the drive doesn't matter, the model is more important. I'd take any Seagate model over a WD Blue or Green*. But WD Red, Purple, and Black drives are great, and Gold drives are the best of the best. I'd put these Constellation drives right up there with WD Gold/RE drives. The Seagate Ironwolf drives are right there with the WD Reds and the Skyhawks are right there with the Purples. The Seagate Barracuda drives aren't quite at the level of the WD Blacks, but it is a lot closer to the Black drive than it is to the garbage WD Blue drives.

As for the refurbished vs non-refurbished...Well, I wouldn't risk it.

*I'm pretty sure the Greens have been discontinued.

 

[Caring1]

Do those charts exclude Enterprise drives, or include them?
I think W.D. is the leading supplier of O.E.M. drives for the consumer market, so it's not surprising they have a higher failure rate.

 

[newtekie1]

Do those charts exclude Enterprise drives, or include them?
I think W.D. is the leading supplier of O.E.M. drives for the consumer market, so it's not surprising they have a higher failure rate.

Those charts are literally just data from one company that sells data backup and uses cheap desktop grade drives jam packed in servers. There are several reasons they are total BS.

 

[cdawall]

I haven't had any issues out of mine these are all 2TB constellation refurbs running in raid 50

 

[Rowsol]

I've been eyeballing these.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01MTJTDGI/?tag=tec06d-20
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01LYVD7ME/?tag=tec06d-20

 

[neko77025]

I bought 5x of them about a hour ago.

 

[R-T-B]

I still had these drives fail more than desktop HGST or WD drives.

You bought them? They are strange little drives, really thick 2.5". The only reason I am skeptical of anyone buying them without a need is that they used to cost $200.00 plus for a 1TB model.

Of course, today is different. Everything HDD is cheap.

 

[Shou Miko]

You bought them? They are strange little drives, really thick 2.5". The only reason I am skeptical of anyone buying them without a need is that they used to cost $200.00 plus for a 1TB model.

Of course, today is different. Everything HDD is cheap.

Nope only Seagate I purchased was their Barracuda 7200.11 back in the day but at work we had servers with them failing so my boss replaced them with HGST and Toshiba drives works much better and cheaper

 

[R-T-B]

Nope only Seagate I purchased was their Barracuda 7200.11 back in the day but at work we had servers with them failing so my boss replaced them with HGST and Toshiba drives works much better and cheaper

I'm sure. But my point is more that their enterprise grade drives should not be compared to their consumer ones, or any manufacturers consumer grade drives for that matter.

 

[Shou Miko]

I'm sure. But my point is more that their enterprise grade drives should not be compared to their consumer ones, or any manufacturers consumer grade drives for that matter.

Ik but still if a better consumer grade desk like a HGST can give a better and safer run, Seagate should at least do a better job.

 

[R-T-B]

Ik but still if a better consumer grade desk like a HGST can give a better and safer run, Seagate should at least do a better job.

I've always thought Seagate's consumer drives were subpar, no argument there. But I think anyone can make good stuff it's just a matter of whether they consider it "worth it." Aparently to Seagate, "consumer" is not very important.

 

[R-T-B]

WHY DID I SAY IT?

I have invoked the wrath of the HDD gods. I hate this, it's only 1 sector but I hate trusting drives like that... *sighs* out it goes...