Reliable SSD cache software

[RejZoR]

I'm now split between finding another SSD caching software and buying a god damn Samsung 850 Pro 2TB and calling it a day. But since that 2TB with price tag of over 800€ is quite a bit of a hit on my pocket I'll try to first ask about alternatives to solve my "problem".

I'm currently using WD Caviar Black 2TB paired with Samsung 951 128GB AHCI M.2 drive using PrimoCache software. It works brilliantly. When data is cached, system boots in seconds, games load in no time, everything is super responsive. The issue I have is this god damn PrimoCache which resets the entire cache every time I sneeze at my computer. PrimoCache has a safeguard that resets the cache so system doesn't parse the corrupted data from the cache, but when it does this, system goes from hyper speed back to snail speed. And this stupid program keeps resetting my 100GB cache every frigging time anything tiny happens to my system and it's driving me insane lately. Contacted authors of PrimoCache and their response is new version that will auto re-cache all data on crashes. Which just means it'll waste gigabytes of writes for no damn reason when whole thing could be so much more intelligent (like eBooster's method).

I've used eBoostr which was great and resistant to system crashes and resets, but it has some sort of bug that just stalls the system randomly at some point so I can't use that. PrimoCache is used right now an it has the above mentioned issues. I've found VeloSSD which I'm going to test now...

Are there any others? It doesn't matter, it can also be a payable solution for as long as it doesn't cost over 50€.

 

[cdawall]

express cache is what oems use

 

[RejZoR]

I need a retail software, not OEM. Besides, ExpressCache is rubbish. I had it with Sandisk ReadyCache and it was a buggy limited mess.

 

[newtekie1]

PrimoCache and figure out why your computer keeps crashing?

And really, wasting writes isn't really an issue. That SSD should easily have 100TBW lifetime. If it is re-writing 100GB every once in a while, it'd have to do that 1,000+ times before it hit the write endurance of the SSD.

 

[cdawall]

I need a retail software, not OEM. Besides, ExpressCache is rubbish. I had it with Sandisk ReadyCache and it was a buggy limited mess.

You said stable. expresscache is stable, so stable oems use it.

 

[Kursah]

Agreed.

@RejZoR What are you doing to diagnose the issue?

Let's find out what you've done, tried and should do next shall we?

Have you checked Event Viewer system and program logs?

Have you verified the integrity of your data stores (HDD, SSD and RAM)? Run CHKDSK, download the latest release of Crystal DiskInfo, run Memtest..etc.

Do you have any other diagnostic relative symptoms?

Have you checked Primo's logs or verified if logging is enabled?

If so, have you researched the reported errors for solutions?

I would agree you could use an OEM release as it clearly works for OEMs to use, actually try to constructively diagnose your issue, or just get a big SSD and be done with caching already. If you really need a 2TB SSD then ya that's costly...if you could use your current SSD as OS, a 1TB SSD for your common games and programs and your HDD for data you would likely be set as well.

I bet with some effort on your end to diagnose this we could all work together but we need more useful diagnostic information from you at this point. Hopefully we can move forward and resolve your issues!

 

[RejZoR]

I was "this" close to ordering Samsung 850 Pro 2TB but then I said, why not first ask around if there is alternate software to do the same task. We are talking cost of over 800€ here...

As for PrimoCache, I've talked to the devs and they don't have any solution other than automatically repopulating the cache after crash or power loss.

And no, ExpressCache is NOT stable. Just because OEM's use it that doesn't mean ANYTHING. Condusiv updated their shit, but Sandisk hasn't. And as far as I know they still haven't. Almost a year has passed since then. Just look at Sandisk forums. Lazy as hell. No to mention it had a bug when cache was full it basically negated the boot speedup by making boot slow. Guess how quickly they fixed that? It was never. So I sold the Sandisk ReadyCache to someone who was using Windows 7 where thing still works fine. But on Windows 10 it was a no go.

 

[RejZoR]

Also, VeloSSD seems rubbish. Not only I can't evaluate it properly since the test version is too limited, it's also CONSTANTLY screaming that all my SMART values are off the chart. Where every single other app says all is fine. Argh.

 

[Kursah]

So do you want us to help diagnose why your system is crashing or not?

 

[RejZoR]

I wasn't asking why is my system crashing, because that's irrelevant. It's not crashing because of a problem, it's crashing because I'm fiddling with it (OC etc).

What I WAS asking is what other caching software exists and I haven't found yet that isn't sensitive to shit like this. eBoostr wasn't but has problems with certain combinations under Win10 and PrimoCache resets entire cache every time system does crash/lockup/reset for whatever reason. VeloSSD is just crap because it has the SMART reading all borked up and I can only test single partition caching. I have two. Not gonna buy it without knowing if it works well.

 

[Octopuss]

Could someon explain what is this about? What cache are we talking about, and what purpose does it serve?

 

[Toothless]

Could someon explain what is this about? What cache are we talking about, and what purpose does it serve?

Using an SSD as a cache.

 

[Jetster]

Could someon explain what is this about? What cache are we talking about, and what purpose does it serve?

A SSD cashe acts as a buffer for a platter drive. Storing the most resent information or commonly used programs for quick response.

 

[RejZoR]

Could someon explain what is this about? What cache are we talking about, and what purpose does it serve?

It combines capacity of a HDD with performance of SSD. So I can have 2TB of total storage that in 95% of cases behaves like an SSD. For a fraction of a price. Same setup with 2TB SSD only would set me off for 600-850€. This SSHD array cost me around 120€ (excluding HDD that I already had for years). I'm shocked people still insist on shitty SSD system partitions while using same shitty slow HDD for all data. This costs nearly nothing and is super fast.

I'm currently back with eBoostr using exFAT partition on the cache which seems to work for now. With NTFS it just stalls whole system for no logical reason. I don't think it was ever designed to utilize caches of 100+ GB in size. Before I had just 32 GB SATA3 cache, now I'm using 120 GB M.2 AHCI cache. Maybe I should bug the devs about it a bit...

 

[Caring1]

Could someon explain what is this about? What cache are we talking about, and what purpose does it serve?

That's a good question and brings up SSHD's, what do they use to link the SSD cache to the HD.

 

[Schmuckley]

Primocache..it's good.
Oh..umm..
Samsung Magician.

Possibly a small m.2 drive?

 

[RejZoR]

Samsung Magician doesn't even support my SM 951 drive... Besides, I don't think they offer SSD caching at all in Samsung Magician. Never heard of that...

 

[Kursah]

I wasn't asking why is my system crashing, because that's irrelevant. It's not crashing because of a problem, it's crashing because I'm fiddling with it (OC etc).

What I WAS asking is what other caching software exists and I haven't found yet that isn't sensitive to shit like this. eBoostr wasn't but has problems with certain combinations under Win10 and PrimoCache resets entire cache every time system does crash/lockup/reset for whatever reason. VeloSSD is just crap because it has the SMART reading all borked up and I can only test single partition caching. I have two. Not gonna buy it without knowing if it works well.

So let me get this straight, and please feel free to review the post I quoted...you want an SSD caching software suite (read: data streaming/caching software) that is resilient to system crashes that likely corrupts its data streams which prompts your current (and likely all SSD caching software for obvious reasons) software to follow protocol and clear said cache because you are making your system unstable by "fiddling with it (OC etc).", and that's irrelevant how?

Why not just make your system stable in the first place and stop hating on the software if it does its job fine when your system is stable? This is absolutely ridiculous.

Seems like common sense (at least to me) that you should finish Step 1 (OC-ing and Stability) before starting on Step 2 (Modifying Data Handling for Performance). If you find a piece of data caching software that allows for potential corrupted data to be cached, you'll be set...otherwise, make your system stable before modifying how it handles and migrates data and report back.

 

[RejZoR]

And wait 3 hours for system to boot every time just because software has retarded mechanisms in place? Please... Go away if you don't have anything real to contribute.

 

[Kursah]

Trust me, fixing your unstable PC is something real to contribute. But if you elect to be ignorant to that, it's all on you and I wish you luck in throwing money and time at software instead of solving your stability problems. I'll gladly move on...good luck to ya!

 

[RejZoR]

I've asked about other SSD caching software, not how to fix whatever issues I may or may not be facing. It's not what I asked. Learn to read.

 

[cdawall]

Lol get your panties out of a knot. He has a valid point whether you want to see it or not.

 

[R-T-B]

If you're instability is caused by you constantly tweaking your OC, you need to stop tweaking your OC and find a stable point. No caching software is going to be completely "crash resilient" because it WOULD parse corrupted data.

 

[RejZoR]

Oh my god, I gave examples so you bloody understand the freaking context.

Are there any others? It doesn't matter, it can also be a payable solution for as long as it doesn't cost over 50€.

Is this so hard to understand?

 

[Solaris17]

Oh my god, I gave examples so you bloody understand the freaking context.

Are there any others? It doesn't matter, it can also be a payable solution for as long as it doesn't cost over 50€.

Is this so hard to understand?

I mean as someone who carries themselves as a total dickbag on a public forum Im not entirely sure (judging by your responses) that the issue here is the people attempting to help you.

As for the question at hand instead of baiting a bunch of people to argue with you you could take it upon yourself to just google for a fucking list of software and go about testing them individually until you found one that played all right with your broken ass system.

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=ssd+caching+software

but im sure the allure of insinuating a thread full of people couldnt follow your directions was just too good for you to pass up, to come across this idea on your own.

grow the fuck up.