Report Claims that Intel Raptor Lake Refresh Debuting in October

[InVasMani]

Just take any 13900K and set PL1 to 36w and PL2 to 106w to match the 13900T or setting them to match the PL1 / PL 2 of the 13900 will do wonders for power and temps with about zero effort. If you want to go further drop LLC to the lowest setting and experiment with dropping voltage or reducing offset. You could certainly get into more elaborate depth than that, but that's easy and simple enough for most anyone with a tiny amount of thinking and effort involved. You can very easily adapt the power limits of either power limits a bit as well to your own usage.

It's a safe bet to assume Intel will realistically push things in both directions towards both lower and higher power usage across the product stack so we'll have Celeron sipping power scenario and Pentium 4 toaster at the top scenario with the KF chip variant.

It's a pity they didn't mention a new chipset for the refresh because if they'd slide in another x4 PCIE lanes that added flexibility would be nice especially if they didn't just try to insert another Gen 5 M.2 automatically, but it would be good either way.

 

[Minus Infinity]

If MLisD can be trusted, Raptor R is actually going to get the DLVR and despite higher clocks we may not see higher power. One would hope clock-for-clock Raptor R would be at least 10% more efficient than Raptor.

 

[trparky]

I agree that The PL2 can be brutal, but you are not supposed to run at that wattage beyond 1 minute.

Then what the hell is the point of having a 13900K if you can't run it at full speed for anything longer than a minute?

Intel having to stay on 10nm is an issue, but boards manufacturers trying to get ahead of each other are also giving those chips a bad reputation.

If anything, this shows that Intel needs to get their asses in gear already because seriously, this is really making them look bad. They don't even need AMD to make them look bad, they're doing it all by themselves.

 

[dyonoctis]

Then what the hell is the point of having a 13900K if you can't run it at full speed for anything longer than a minute?

Even at stock settings the 13900k is still very fast for it's price. Puget reviews are made with Intel and AMD default specs enforced, and it doesn't suddenly become a slow CPU even when you enforce the limits :
13th Gen Intel Core Processors Content Creation Review | Puget Systems

The i9 are a bit of a special case though, since according to Intel documentation, the KS is supposed to run at full speed all the time, and the K got an official "extreme config" where it will run at full power as well, but for the other it's out of specs to do so.

 

[sLowEnd]

Good luck with that.

Yep.

Efficiency and Intel are two words that don't belong in the same sentence.

The non-k parts don’t have poor efficiency

Intel Core i5-13400F Review - Force of Efficiency

The Intel Core i5-13400F is only $200, but comes with six Performance Cores and four E-Cores, bringing the total thread count to 16. Performance is good, as expected, but what's even more impressive is the energy efficiency as confirmed by the detailed testing in our review.

www.techpowerup.com

 

[Chaitanya]

Then what the hell is the point of having a 13900K if you can't run it at full speed for anything longer than a minute?

If anything, this shows that Intel needs to get their asses in gear already because seriously, this is really making them look bad. They don't even need AMD to make them look bad, they're doing it all by themselves.

1st it was 14nm and now 10nm, Intel needs a complete reevaluation of their business.

 

[trparky]

1st it was 14nm and now 10nm, Intel needs a complete reevaluation of their business.

Bingo. Couldn't have said it better myself.

Let's admit it already, TSMC is kicking Intel's ass. If they could only get the process down, they'd be able to win but no... TSMC is taking the crown and AMD is along for the ride.

 

[dyonoctis]

1st it was 14nm and now 10nm, Intel needs a complete reevaluation of their business.

There's already a few rumors going around about Intel fully using TSMC 3nm for arrow lake. That's the most reasonable choice, but also a loss for western manufacturing capabilities. It's one thing that MTL-S got cancelled, but Intel can't even make a die shrink of RPL, when Intel 4 was supposed to be around 2 years earlier

 

[phanbuey]

Bingo. Couldn't have said it better myself.

Let's admit it already, TSMC is kicking Intel's ass. If they could only get the process down, they'd be able to win but no... TSMC is taking the crown and AMD is along for the ride.

Until they aren't -- don't forget intel is the only somewhat competitive western fab; so they're not going anywhere even if they start bleeding money.

It wouldn't surprise me to see a Nordstream situation when the Taiwan issue materializes.

 

[Dyatlov A]

The non-k parts don’t have poor efficiency

Intel Core i5-13400F Review - Force of Efficiency

The Intel Core i5-13400F is only $200, but comes with six Performance Cores and four E-Cores, bringing the total thread count to 16. Performance is good, as expected, but what's even more impressive is the energy efficiency as confirmed by the detailed testing in our review.

www.techpowerup.com

especially the overclocable 12th gen Non K’s have very good efficiency, i play games between 45-60W at 5.4GHz. And will be funny 12th Gen “Non K” much faster than 13th and 14th gen Non K’s .

 

[Sithaer]

The non-k parts don’t have poor efficiency

Intel Core i5-13400F Review - Force of Efficiency

The Intel Core i5-13400F is only $200, but comes with six Performance Cores and four E-Cores, bringing the total thread count to 16. Performance is good, as expected, but what's even more impressive is the energy efficiency as confirmed by the detailed testing in our review.

www.techpowerup.com

Yup, I'm only interested in the locked i5s as an upgrade at some point and those are efficient.

 

[AusWolf]

So now, Intel releases a new chipset generation not just for new CPU architectures, but also for refreshes. Interesting.

 

[Why_Me]

So, will Intel be providing a nuclear power station style cooling tower to cool their CPUs? Because you're going to need it.

One thing you can count on is these chips not frying like AM5.

 

[beedoo]

One thing you can count on is these chips not frying like AM5.

I know - my AM5 chip catches fire every night. It's getting quite tedious.

 

[AusWolf]

One thing you can count on is these chips not frying like AM5.

How do AM5 chips fry? I have two of them, so do tell me, please.

 

[Why_Me]

How do AM5 chips fry? I have two of them, so do tell me, please.

AMD Identifies Cause Of Ryzen Processors Frying Themselves

AMD has issued a new statement concerning recent problems with its Ryzen 7000 CPUs frying themselves.

www.forbes.com

 

[AusWolf]

AMD Identifies Cause Of Ryzen Processors Frying Themselves

AMD has issued a new statement concerning recent problems with its Ryzen 7000 CPUs frying themselves.

www.forbes.com

1. That's on motherboard vendors (especially Asus) going crazy with their SoC voltage values. CPUs don't just "fry themselves".
2. Every single motherboard vendor has given out BIOS updates with reasonable voltage limits in place.

 

[Why_Me]

1. That's on motherboard vendors (especially Asus) going crazy with their SoC voltage values. CPUs don't just "fry themselves".
2. Every single motherboard vendor has given out BIOS updates with reasonable voltage limits in place.

They fried.

 

[Deleted member 232534]

One thing you can count on is these chips not frying like AM5.

will the 14th gen intel cpus fix the permanent mechanical socket flaw of the bending lga1700?

they could technically make cpus with curved or oblique IHS to address the issue

my last intel was haswell - i got the option to upgrade to haswell "refresh" which was a total nonsense. Upgraded 4670k to ryzen 7700x last month. Interesting how refresh will look this time. Obv lga1700 was not an option because of power consumption and platform longevity.

 

[Daven]

One thing you can count on is these chips not frying like AM5.

With AMD chips frying themselves spontaneously inside its retail packaging and Nvidia chips catching fire just by looking at the power connector, Intel can’t lose, right guy?

 

[Bomby569]

I still don't understad why those CPUs should come every year like EA's FIFA... and not "cook" something better and release it like every 2-3 years.. just like GPUs. They are so boring and semi...

Marketing! it's like the cars, even if you have nothing new to launch, you change the lights a bit and release it as new and fresh. The theory goes a bit like this, customers get bored and you have to present something new or the competition will snatch your customers.

 

[dyonoctis]

So now, Intel releases a new chipset generation not just for new CPU architectures, but also for refreshes. Interesting.

They are ? All rumors so far indicated that z890 would be reserved for arrow lake, and Raptor lake would at best see a refresh of Z790/B760 boards with wifi 7/5Gb Lan on some models

 

[AusWolf]

Marketing! it's like the cars, even if you have nothing new to launch, you change the lights a bit and release it as new and fresh. The theory goes a bit like this, customers get bored and you have to present something new or the competition will snatch your customers.

Besides, just because there's something new around the corner, it doesn't mean you have to upgrade, spending the same money you spent last year for 10% more performance.

 

[trparky]

Besides, just because there's something new around the corner, it doesn't mean you have to upgrade, spending the same money you spent last year for 10% more performance.

Exactly. I wish they'd hold back until they had something worthwhile to sell. If it takes two or three years, so what? At least they'd have a decent product to sell.

 

[AusWolf]

Exactly. I wish they'd hold back until they had something worthwhile to sell. If it takes two or three years, so what? At least they'd have a decent product to sell.

That's a valid point if you're on current gen hardware. But what if you're not? Would you not upgrade to a 14900K instead of a 13900K or 12900K?