RTX 3070 low FPS & Utilization

[Pokkel1982]

A reinstall is what I'm trying to avoid, because my pc have been set up to work on remote external servers on different programs, so setting it up again will take forever...

The issue I am not understanding is, that even when I change settings, from lowest to ultra, and even from 1080p to 4k, the fps stay the same. I just wanted to show you that it doesn't matter what game it is... It does that with any game.

If it was the cpu, the fps would have changed with lower settings and the fact that I added double the ram in dual and it didn't make a big difference, also points to another issue, that being that the gpu doesn't utilize fully... why only 35% with any settings and resolution?

 

[HaKN !]

A reinstall is what I'm trying to avoid, because my pc have been set up to work on remote external servers on different programs, so setting it up again will take forever...

The issue I am not understanding is, that even when I change settings, from lowest to ultra, and even from 1080p to 4k, the fps stay the same. I just wanted to show you that it doesn't matter what game it is... It does that with any game.

If it was the cpu, the fps would have changed with lower settings and the fact that I added double the ram in dual and it didn't make a big difference, also points to another issue, that being that the gpu doesn't utilize fully... why only 35% with any settings and resolution?

If your fps stays the same from 1080p to 4k , its the cpu. No matter how hard u try to talk around it. Even my i9-10850k sometimes cant keep up with my 2080ti

 

[ixi]

But you can read the graph and that's saying enough imo, ok that was a 3090 and OP has a 3070, but I'm sure there's a lot to gain with a more recent CPU.

I see, yea. And then again

. I'm putting on three things.

1. Mobo. (Low end, poor vrm).
2. Windows.
3. RAM.

 

[Pokkel1982]

I see, yea. And then again

. I'm putting on three things.

1. Mobo. (Low end, poor vrm).
2. Windows.
3. RAM.

I really think it is windows tbh... But how do I fix it?

In that video his GPU is utilizing at 96%...
And he's averaging 110fps, where I only got like 60...

 

[P4-630]

I really think it is windows tbh... But how do I fix it?

You could try a fresh windows 11 install, download it on USB stick from microsoft.
Backup your important files before doing so.

 

[Pokkel1982]

You could try a fresh windows 11 install, download it on USB stick from microsoft.
Backup your important files before doing so.

I know. But I don't wanna!!! Sob.

 

[QuietBob]

AMD 2700x
1x16GB RAM 2666MHz
A320M-K Mobo
700W PSU
RTX 3070 GPU

You are running low spec memory in single channel, which will affect your fps, especially the lows. Could you post a screenshot from CPU-Z showing Memory and SPD tabs? Also, what model is your PSU and what CPU cooling do you use? Please put all the hardware info in your TPU user profile.

my FPS is way too low. I mainly play Battlefield, but I've seen it with Borderlands, GTA V and F1 2021 as well...

Frame rate in these games strongly relies on a fast single thread. Your 2700X is a capable processor, but in terms of ST performance it's comparable to Skylake, which is a 2015 architecture.

2700x on 3070 bottleneck is around 5%

And how did you calculate this number?

I switched off all framerate limiters and v-sync's are also off

even when I change settings, from lowest to ultra, and even from 1080p to 4k, the fps stay the same.

A clear sign of being CPU limited. Your games will benefit much from a Zen 3 CPU. I'd recommend a 5600 at minimum, or better a 5700X.

 

[Deleted member 185158]

Try
Uninstall NV experience (or all NV apps) and DDU in safe mode. Must be in safe mode.

Disable windows update so it doesn't install the card before you.

Install NV custom Driver only.

Then test.

I'm on the fence about the cpu bottleneck. The utilization is quite low, something you'd expect from either low settings or running games like TF2 which aren't demanding and the card just sits there.... I'd increase the visual settings instead to see if that brings utilization up.

 

[Pokkel1982]

You are running low spec memory in single channel, which will affect your fps, especially the lows. Could you post a screenshot from CPU-Z showing Memory and SPD tabs? Also, what model is your PSU and what CPU cooling do you use? Please put all the hardware info in your TPU user profile.


Frame rate in these games strongly relies on a fast single thread. Your 2700X is a capable processor, but in terms of ST performance it's comparable to Skylake, which is a 2015 architecture.


And how did you calculate this number?


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A clear sign of being CPU limited. Your games will benefit much from a Zen 3 CPU. I'd recommend a 5600 at minimum, or better a 5700X.

Ah man. Sorry. I was referring to BF2042 and nvidia control panel settings that didn'thave those restrictions. I will do a screenshot assessment for bf V again just to verify. Blonde moment!!!!

I tested the 32GB identical dual channel ram on BF 2042. I will do the same test will single channel, just to show the minimal difference it makes.

I understand clearly that the 2700x is not as good ST cpu as the 5600x, but what I'm not grasping, is that the gpu utilization is so low when comparing to others, like in the last youtube video.

The first 5% bottleneck, i saw somewhere on the worldwide web, but I will need to go look for it.

I will post the cpu z findings, along with the psu specs, as soon as my power is back on. We are load shedding at the moment...

 

[HaKN !]

Ah man. Sorry. I was referring to BF2042 and nvidia control panel settings that didn'thave those restrictions. I will do a screenshot assessment for bf V again just to verify. Blonde moment!!!!

I tested the 32GB identical dual channel ram on BF 2042. I will do the same test will single channel, just to show the minimal difference it makes.

I understand clearly that the 2700x is not as good ST cpu as the 5600x, but what I'm not grasping, is that the gpu utilization is so low when comparing to others, like in the last youtube video.

The first 5% bottleneck, i saw somewhere on the worldwide web, but I will need to go look for it.

I will post the cpu z findings, along with the psu specs, as soon as my power is back on. We are load shedding at the moment...

When the gpu utilization is low , its because cpu cant keep up. Dosent matter if the cpu is at 1% or 100% load. The gpu is waiting for the cpu to katch up. The best way to demonstarte this is to set a fixed fps

 

[Pokkel1982]

Try
Uninstall NV experience (or all NV apps) and DDU in safe mode. Must be in safe mode.

Disable windows update so it doesn't install the card before you.

Install NV custom Driver only.

Then test.

I'm on the fence about the cpu bottleneck. The utilization is quite low, something you'd expect from either low settings or running games like TF2 which aren't demanding and the card just sits there.... I'd increase the visual settings instead to see if that brings utilization up.

I already did that a few times, with various drivers, about 10, and the newer ones seems to work better...

There was an instance where I had a certain driver, studio driver, that gave me about 85 fps, but that driver broke all my other programs. So I couldn't use it...

my fps goes up when I set dlss on quality, but only with 5fps. It also uses 5% more gpu.

 

[gffermari]

If you increase the graphic settings (Ultra etc), the gpu usage should be 99-100%. If that happens, you have cpu bottleneck.

 

[Pokkel1982]

If you increase the graphic settings (Ultra etc), the gpu usage should be 99-100%. If that happens, you have cpu bottleneck.

Nothing happens... low or ultra gives basically the same usage.

Ah man. Sorry. I was referring to BF2042 and nvidia control panel settings that didn'thave those restrictions. I will do a screenshot assessment for bf V again just to verify. Blonde moment!!!!

I tested the 32GB identical dual channel ram on BF 2042. I will do the same test will single channel, just to show the minimal difference it makes.

I understand clearly that the 2700x is not as good ST cpu as the 5600x, but what I'm not grasping, is that the gpu utilization is so low when comparing to others, like in the last youtube video.

The first 5% bottleneck, i saw somewhere on the worldwide web, but I will need to go look for it.

I will post the cpu z findings, along with the psu specs, as soon as my power is back on. We are load shedding at the moment...

The PSU is an Antec VP700P Plus - https://www.antec.com/product/power/vp700p-plus

With the Vsync off on BF V (sorry aboot that), I get between 60 fps and 75 fps average). The frame limiter cannot be set to off. 200 is max. Not that it matters anyway...

Here is BFV again Ultra settings.... DLLS - quality, Ray Tracing On

Low settings, DLSS and Ray tracing off.

And just for interest sake.

On my wife's PC (exactly the same except for it having a GTX980ti), she is hitting 97% GPU usage, with 45% CPU Usage, average 61FPS, on High Settings in BF 2042. And it feels sooooooo much smoother, even when it hits the lows...

So the 980ti is getting about 20FPS more than the 3070 rig. Even if it was a bottleneck, it should have gotten better FPS than the 980ti in my opinion...

Pretty damn impressive cards those 980ti's...

 

[Waldorf]

Clean install...

 

[gffermari]

I would say cpu bottleneck and single channel ram causes the problem but if you say your wife's pc is exactly the same and performs better, then.....ok.
I can't think of something else!

 

[junglist724]

If it was the cpu, the fps would have changed with lower settings and the fact that I added double the ram in dual and it didn't make a big difference, also points to another issue, that being that the gpu doesn't utilize fully... why only 35% with any settings and resolution?

If the GPU usage is low it's CPU/memory bottlenecked. Lower graphical settings won't increase framerate because your CPU already can't keep up with the physics, game logic, draw calls, etc at around 60fps.

At above 180 fps when there's a ton happening in BF5 I would hit 100% CPU usage on a 5.2GHz 9900K. That was with a 2080Ti and it got worse with a 3090. A 2700X isn't going to be good enough to feed a 3070 in a lot of competitive games. BF5 is extremely demanding in terms of both single core performance and multicore performance. It took an upgrade to a 5950X for me to reliably stay above 200fps at 3440x1440. A 2700X has relatively poor single thread performance, memory latency and inter CCX latency problems. At launch, BF2042 really didn't like the inter CCD latency on my 5950X and I imagine it's the same or worse on earlier gens that didn't have the unified L3 cache.

CPU usage not full and GPU usage at 20-40%

CPU usage isn't a good way to tell if there's a CPU related bottleneck unless you're at 100% in which case you just have no cycles to spare. Even at 100% usage there may still be spare pipeline slots available to do some work. CPU utilization just tells you that it's doing something for X% of clock cycles. It doesn't tell you if it's doing as much work as possible per clock or if you're bottlenecked somewhere due to front/back end or speculative execution stalls. Intel VTune is a good way of finding bottlenecks but I haven't found a good equivalent for AMD. You can be CPU bottlenecked and not hit 100% usage on any core.

Don't use DX12 in BF5, it's just DX11 in a DX12 wrapper and has stuttering issues. The DX12 implementation is pretty poor in 2042 as well but that's the only choice you have. Ray tracing also increases CPU load.

 

[Deleted member 185158]

I already did that a few times, with various drivers, about 10, and the newer ones seems to work better...

There was an instance where I had a certain driver, studio driver, that gave me about 85 fps, but that driver broke all my other programs. So I couldn't use it...

my fps goes up when I set dlss on quality, but only with 5fps. It also uses 5% more gpu.

I have a 2700x and 2060. Both run higher usage in heavy games. Upgrading the card wouldn't make the cpu less capable.

Before you consider a cpu upgrade because of supposed bottle nicking, which there is some for sure, a fresh windows install.

But I'm curious if NV control panel on global settings has got something messed up.

Hard to say. I've been benchmarking older GPUs myself. Most of the time the gpu needs an OC. My point here, is to have you overclock the cpu a couple hundred mhz to see what the results turn out to be. 2700x should be good all cores 4.1ghz at about 1.40v statically, or try PBO +200mhz which should boost the cpu to the same speed 4.1ghz. If this drastically changes the situation, perhaps a cpu upgrade is a good idea.

I'd love to slap a 3070 in my rig to aid with diag, but unfortunately, I don't have one.

 

[izy]

i have the same problem, wow dragonflight ptr, absolute minimum graphics settings and i get 67 fps with 9% gpu utilization on full hd

WoW is CPU bound , maybe thats why. (also check if you dont have FPS limit on)

 

[lordmogul]

Remember that being CPU limited doesn't happen at 100% CPU.
It can happen as early as 1 core (or SMT/HT thread). On your 2700X that would mean a CPU "bottleneck" could happen as early as 6.25%

As an example of a very single threaded game, Stalker SoC:

CPU sits at <50%, but is still the limiting factor because one core is doing all the work. And that game happens to stay on that core. BF seems to be shifted around more.

You're getting 68 fps at 68% CPU, that's just above 11 "cores worth" of CPU usage. (in the open area with the church)
You're also sitting at 87% memory usage, that is already past the 75-80% where Windows starts swapping.
On the second screenshot where you look at that radio thingy it's at 86% CPU (~13.7 cores) and 89% RAM.
The screenshot where you are in the tunnel shows that every 2nd thread isn't used much (according to taskmanager), a good sign that the game doesn't make use of all the available threads and Windows makes sure it only uses one SMT thread per core and preferably loads the other cores first.

Looks pretty much like a CPU and memory limit.
Why the 980 Ti does better than the 3070? Good question. It has nothing where it outperforms (not even something like pixel fillrate or memory bandwidth) The 3070 should stretch further when given the legroom.

 

[Chomiq]

Its the cpu. if u can , get a 5800X3D chip or something 5000 series

On a cheapo A320 board? Good luck!

 

[next3r]

dual monitor config ?
furmark not look bad "but power source drop 11.4V>>Vrel" ,,.try create system LOG - HWINFO + RIVA for FPS "my first post"

If using muti-monitors config try using only faster one for preventing problem.
For win11 ? check windows update sometimes is all this only bad new build.

edit
Vrel "per cap reason" you see in all test ??

>>>>
it's not very good to see ,.,.but Vrel in all combo test >> PSU drop "power problem"
best try MSI kombustor + full load + CPU burner >> stress PSU "create manually this problem" and verify 12V /5V/ 3.3V data

repair >>try custom voltage lock "or stronger PSU" ,.,after fully determine problem
or compatibility problem >> try set PCIE - GEN3

system LOG >> determine others components under this situation "game stress" + HWINFO LOG
or OSD >> but fast OSD in GRAPH mode

 

[RsZoli]

WoW is CPU bound , maybe thats why. (also check if you dont have FPS limit on)

i know that, but as you can see on the picture, my cpu utilization is 3%

and of course i dont't have any limit on

 

[next3r]

i know that, but as you can see on the picture, my cpu utilization is 3%

and of course i dont't have any limit on

you using N experience ? ,.,.remove this now is buggy for new 22h2
or update in WIN STORE on latest version

otherwise if you want to help ? .,,.best try create LOG >> send data here
from some still images to find the problem this is the problem

 

[Calenhad]

Stop sobbing and reinstall Windows. All these rubbish troubleshooting steps takes longer than doing a clean install. You shouldn't bother spending hours/days troubleshooting, like suggested in this thread, until you have a fresh Windows install.

Your gpu will be bottlenecked by cpu/ram/storage to some degree. But this is much worse than it should be.

 

[next3r]

Stop sobbing and reinstall Windows. All these rubbish troubleshooting steps takes longer than doing a clean install. You shouldn't bother spending hours/days troubleshooting, like suggested in this thread, until you have a fresh Windows install.

Your gpu will be bottlenecked by cpu/ram/storage to some degree. But this is much worse than it should be.

reinstall windows is good point ,.,.you right
but not all users have this after some minutes and correct !
and system clones >> only DISM and full knowledge REGEDIT / APPDATA for all apps