Running multiple instances of Winrar crashes system

Absolution · Feb 28, 2016

Specs on the side. Win10 pro.

System crashes, no signal from GPU and GPU fan at full speed. Previously thought its a driver conflict with some AMD driver and couldnt recreate the crash conditions.

I have narrowed it down though. I have multiple folders > winrar them to rar one by one > few secs in > blank screen crash.

So its either CPU, Memory or my SSD:

I ran ATTO benchmark, no crash
I ran prime 95, small FFT, no crash
I ran prime95, blend, no crash

What could it be? Its either SSD or RAM.. cant tell. I need a mini dump or some blue screen where I can see whats going wrong, but I cant seem to get blue screens :/

I want to do two things:

1) enable blue screen if possible
2) Check dump
3) check somewhere in event viewer (no experience here)

NdMk2o1o · Feb 28, 2016

Tried memtest and checked the SMART values for the SSD to see if anything's a miss?

BiggieShady · Feb 28, 2016

Absolution said:
check somewhere in event viewer (no experience here)

Win+S, start typing 'event', choose 'view event log' ...
... choose 'Windows Log/System' on the left side, then on the right choose 'Filter Current Log' and tick check boxes that say 'Error' and 'Critical' then OK.
The log should now show recent error/critical system events.

Absolution · Feb 28, 2016

NdMk2o1o said:
Tried memtest and checked the SMART values for the SSD to see if anything's a miss?

Drive is a month old, and all smart values are fine.

memtest dont want to do atm, because Ill probably run it overnight.

BiggieShady said:
Win+S, start typing 'event', choose 'view event log' ...
... choose 'Windows Log/System' on the left side, then on the right choose 'Filter Current Log' and tick check boxes that say 'Error' and 'Critical' then OK.
The log should now show recent error/critical system events.

The only thing Im able to gather is something related to Event 56 and ACPI 5:

The description for Event ID 56 from source Application Popup cannot be found. Either the component that raises this event is not installed on your local computer or the installation is corrupted. You can install or repair the component on the local computer.

If the event originated on another computer, the display information had to be saved with the event.

The following information was included with the event:

ACPI
5

the message resource is present but the message is not found in the string/message table

For now I have narrowed down the problem a bit further:

1. Ran 7Zip to archive same folders > OK
2. Ran Win Rar > Crash

After this I started to turn off background apps one by one. And HWinfo64 seems to be the culprit

1. 7zip with hwinfo > Ok
2. Winrar with hwinfo > crash
3. Winrar without hwinfo > Ok

BiggieShady · Feb 28, 2016

Absolution said:
The only thing Im able to gather is something related to Event 56 and ACPI 5

That one is unrelated to crashing. Asus Z170 board owners got rid of that one with a bios update. Don't know about Asrock.

Absolution · Feb 28, 2016

You wont believe it. Its actually related to reading VRM signals from the GPU.

If I disable GPU VRM readings in hwinfo, everything is fine

Here is the thread discussing it
http://www.hwinfo.com/forum/Thread-Enabling-ADL-makes-the-AMD-Fury-crash

Just weird.... what does winrar has to do with hwinfo reading GPU VRM values heh.

SnakeDoctor · Feb 28, 2016

Turn off automatically reboot after system failure so you can see the bsod and check what the error is

control panel - system -advanced
startup and recovery - settings
Untick automatically restart (under system failure)

Absolution · Feb 28, 2016

SnakeDoctor said:
Turn off automatically reboot after system failure so you can see the bsod and check what the error is

control panel - system -advanced
startup and recovery - settings
Untick automatically restart (under system failure)

Yep automatic restart is disabled.

This is GPU related apparently, but still dont know why a dump isnt made.

SnakeDoctor · Feb 28, 2016

Absolution said:
Yep automatic restart is disabled.

This is GPU related apparently, but still dont know why a dump isnt made.

change the automatic memory dump to- complete memory dump

Try disabling the ULPS(ultra low power saving) mode for the gpu , can been done in msi afterburner

qubit · Feb 28, 2016

Absolution said:
You wont believe it. Its actually related to reading VRM signals from the GPU.

If I disable GPU VRM readings in hwinfo, everything is fine

Here is the thread discussing it
http://www.hwinfo.com/forum/Thread-Enabling-ADL-makes-the-AMD-Fury-crash

Just weird.... what does winrar has to do with hwinfo reading GPU VRM values heh.

By the sound of it winrar is using the GPU for acceleration which would cause this if there's a driver issue.

OneMoar · Feb 29, 2016

as others have stated known issue with gpucomput accelerated compression

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Running multiple instances of Winrar crashes system

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