RX 9000 series GPU Owners Club

[rv8000]

Where is Bloatware can you take a picture of it?
Do you mean some sort of telemetry?

Smells like he’s trolling to me.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Smells like he’s trolling to me.

I kinda got that vibe too.. While I'm not a fan of the AMD control panel compared to NVidia and Intel, I would not call it "bloatware".

 

[Thimblewad]

Why the stand offs? you'll have airflow turbulence, both sets of fans will suffer impeding each others cooling efficiency.

Because my case doesn't have dedicated holes for the fans in the bottom. Also, standoffs help them suck in air from the side and front, and that air isn't as hot as the air coming from the PSU. I get about 3-5°C cooler temps running this setup, compared to no fans.
Worked wonders on my 6800XT and I kept it like this for the 9070XT as well.

I understand completely what you mean, but since it's working better than without fans, I'm keeping it!

 

[NSR]

Cyberpunk just released an FSR 4 update. Won't have time to test it myself until later next week due to work, but I'm surprised that they went out of their way for this. Great news for team red, FSR 4 needs to be as widespread as possible.

 

[NSR]

Turns out the necessary drivers aren't launched yet so only people with review drivers can access it right now.

 

[LittleBro]

Where is Bloatware can you take a picture of it?
Do you mean some sort of telemetry?

Smells like he’s trolling to me.

I kinda got that vibe too.. While I'm not a fan of the AMD control panel compared to NVidia and Intel, I would not call it "bloatware".

It's a software suite with many features I don't need/require. It also eats a lot of memory for what it's purposed for.
To me, everything that is unnecessary is kind of bloatware. Just like Ryzen Master. You can do just fine with BIOS instead of RM.
I don't need per game settings profiles or way to force graphical settings via driver. I never do this.

Thimblewad asked why I don't use Adrenaline suite, which, by his opinion, is superior in any way. That's his personal opinion.
He asked, I answered with my own opinion. I've survived decades with just display driver only installed and no GPU software suite.
It's not needed for gaming (you need driver, not software bundled with it), nor is it needed for OCing (there are other and lighter tools available).
When software like Afterburner can get the same job done at fraction of resources requirements, then I consider Adrenalin a bloatware.
Ultimately, what may seem bloatware to me, might not be bloatware for you and vice versa ...

 

[AVATARAT]

The software that comes with the hardware and opens all its functions is bloatware, but the 3rd party software with 3 sliders that you prefer and works "somehow*" is fine?
Seems legit.

I understand your position and I know that MSI Afterburner is visually comfortable, I used it for many years before I realized that all those "numbers" don't provide me with anything useful. If I want to troubleshoot something, PresentMon is far better as a tool, and for gaming Radeon's monitoring only gives me a few numbers that are more than enough when I play (FPS/Frame times/VRAM+Hotspot temps).

*Yes, somehow - because sometimes AB does stutter, especially on Ryzen CPUs...

 

[LittleBro]

The software that comes with the hardware and opens all its functions is bloatware, but the 3rd party software with 3 sliders that you prefer and works "somehow*" is fine?
Seems legit.

Again - that was my opinion. When other software can do same job with far less resources, the hungry one has somewhere a problem (optimizations?!).
Back then when I had Vega 56, I used GPU Clock Tool, a very light weight utility tailored for Vega GPUs. Used <10 MB of RAM and worked flawlessly.
You really don't need Adrenaline software suite for gaming and OCing/undervolting.

 

[Kwadratowicz]

For Me adrenaline is bloatware, I use moreclock tool, and I can change what I need there, but if adrenaline is working better for someone else than Me I'm happy that He is happy with software ,
(And Adrenaline when 9070 xt was released was crashing few times per hour in My pc).
Edit: unfortunately We are living in times where software is so buggy that one software can work flawlessly in one pc, and be utter rubbish in other pc. (it's my opinion)
Edit2: but for me windows is bloatware too, but I'm using it anyway ;(. cause linux has limited or non existent support for widescreen mods for some games.

 

[firefly36]

Just got an XFX Quicksilver on sale for 659€, I am really looking forward to see what it can do.

whoops, in my excitement i forgot to add.. its a 9070xt !

It is running cool and quiet.. now time to get back in Dune Awakening

 

[Krit]

whoops, in my excitement i forgot to add.. its a 9070xt !

Thats a good price i got mine in april for 670€. TDP is 304w ?

 

[AVATARAT]

Again - that was my opinion. When other software can do same job with far less resources, the hungry one has somewhere a problem (optimizations?!).
Back then when I had Vega 56, I used GPU Clock Tool, a very light weight utility tailored for Vega GPUs. Used <10 MB of RAM and worked flawlessly.
You really don't need Adrenaline software suite for gaming and OCing/undervolting.

Yes, I accept your opinion, you are right for yourself.

You cannot make a better OC/UV with AB because it is old school software that today offers only a nice visual appearance and nothing more about OC. As for RAM... who cares about 10 MB or 500 MB when we have 32/64 GB and Windows can automatically add more virtual memory?????? It's not 2004... Less RAM usage by the background program does not automatically mean better FPS.
But as for the resources that both take up - I can't agree, because both are lightweight, but sometimes AB is heavy simply because you can add more sensors and they all need CPU time, which adds latency.

As for Vega 56... you lose performance with AB compared to Adrenaline... because with Adrenaline I can control the frequency used for each of the 7 states, and that was optimal for the lower states. Yes, MPT was absolutely necessary to use as a supplement.

 

[iSpeakVeryWell]

As for RAM... who cares about 10 MB or 500 MB when we have 32/64 GB and Windows can automatically add more virtual memory?????? It's not 2004...

It really depends of what the memory is used for. You could have a program who reserve 50% of your 64GB memory, then it goes to sleep and do nothing with it and your gaming experience would be flawless because you still have ~32GB free for your games and the program is sleeping, therefore not using the CPU. You could also have a program who use only 10MB of ram, but use 100% of your CPU constantly, your gaming experience would be very poor. The goal is to reduce the stuff who access the CPU during gaming sessions. A low memory usage is a good indication that you have made a good cleanup of the useless stuff that isn't required for gaming.

I have many grip against the complete installation of Adrenalin. 1. It constantly measure your min/max/low/avg fps while you play and you can't turn it of (useless waste of your CPU while gaming). 2. I don't need the "wanna be OBS" stuff and the game recording stuff. 3. It's very slow to open, like 10 sec... 4. Overclocking experience is horrible in it. It reset to default including fan curve when a crash occur with no preset, with no profile, with no save option.

My personal taste is using Adrenalin the minimal installation and pair it with MoreClockTool MCT. Why I like MCT? It's quick to open and allow me to save profiles, which make my overvlocking experience 20 times more fun and enjoyable!

 

[AVATARAT]

MoreClockTool is another thing, it can replace most of the required settings in Adrenaline.

 

[rv8000]

It seems people can’t differentiate between bloatware and software they don’t like. To add to that full installation was using a whopping 80mb out of 32gb while running a game, woe is me I really need that 0.002% of system memory . But watch out, the 0.1% CPU utilization is really what gets you in the end…

 

[Kwadratowicz]

It seems people can’t differentiate between bloatware and software they don’t like. To add to that full installation was using a whopping 80mb out of 32gb while running a game, woe is me I really need that 0.002% of system memory . But watch out, the 0.1% CPU utilization is really what gets you in the end…

Adrenaline is bloatware, cause of the ai feature which in first instalation of driver/software combo in My pc has tried to download 16gb of files that are useless to control gpu.
It's like those freeware that want to install more stuff from vendor than You are trying to get, It's working bloatware probability.
And for example windows is spyware.
Edit1: I understand that the part of adrenaline for monitoring and gpu setting is not bloatware, but it has some features that are slowing it down, and that is bloatware in my opinion.
Edit2: One more thing, there are dinosaurs here (like me) where the ui of adrenaline is just unreadable I've needed instructions how to unlock UV in adrenaline -.-, Moreclock tool is easier to read, no bloated buttons etc.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Adrenaline is bloatware, cause of the ai feature which in first instalation of driver/software combo in My pc has tried to download 16gb of files that are useless to control gpu.

You're kidding with that?

Edit1: I understand that the part of adrenaline for monitoring and gpu setting is not bloatware, but it has some features that are slowing it down, and that is bloatware in my opinion.
Edit2: One more thing, there are dinosaurs here (like me) where the ui of adrenaline is just unreadable I've needed instructions how to unlock UV in adrenaline -.-, Moreclock tool is easier to read, no bloated buttons etc.

Ok, fair enough..

 

[rv8000]

Adrenaline is bloatware, cause of the ai feature which in first instalation of driver/software combo in My pc has tried to download 16gb of files that are useless to control gpu.
It's like those freeware that want to install more stuff from vendor than You are trying to get, It's working bloatware probability.
And for example windows is spyware.
Edit1: I understand that the part of adrenaline for monitoring and gpu setting is not bloatware, but it has some features that are slowing it down, and that is bloatware in my opinion.
Edit2: One more thing, there are dinosaurs here (like me) where the ui of adrenaline is just unreadable I've needed instructions how to unlock UV in adrenaline -.-, Moreclock tool is easier to read, no bloated buttons etc.

The AI bs isn’t forced on you and is an optional download. The driver and UI isn’t bloatware, you don’t have to touch anything in Adrenaline nor does it take more than 5 seconds to learn/understand how to undervolt the card. Talk about being needlessly stubborn.

Go download CAM or ASUS armory crate, you might learn a thing about bloatware.

 

[rusty caterpillar]

Adrenaline is bloatware, cause of the ai feature which in first instalation of driver/software combo in My pc has tried to download 16gb of files that are useless to control gpu.

16GB of files?!! That is a lot

The AI bs isn’t forced on you and is an optional download. The driver and UI isn’t bloatware, you don’t have to touch anything in Adrenaline nor does it take more than 5 seconds to learn/understand how to undervolt the card. Talk about being needlessly stubborn.

Go download CAM or ASUS armory crate, you might learn a thing about bloatware.

You don't want to learn that on your own setup,."Armory"" will use the weapons stored inside, against you and your system.
They name it correctly Armory Crate or even more talkative Pandora's box.

 

[Kwadratowicz]

The AI bs isn’t forced on you and is an optional download.

When I first installed the driver I was so overwhelmed that I've installed everything, and software started to download AI stuff, now I know that it is optional like adrenaline software, but I've needed to search web to see that it is really optional.
And I reinstalled like 3 times adrenaline in first day because of the instability and bloatware that was just hidden with simple tricks to install along the driver.
For Me amd driver software combo is Bloatware partially cause of My fault, but if You install the software it should have normal operation in standard installation, and optional "features" as optional, not already set to install.
I don't know more I look into installing new stuff to computer, more stuff is bloated.
(Discord is trash with updates lately, windows is trash with updates lately, I'm afraid of updates, steam has some stupid options for me lately added)
I think I'm a little outdated when it comes to pc.
I love the windows 2000/xp installers, where software was software not everything in one combo pack.
Oh and everything want to launch with windows, why?
Sorry for offtop, I'm going back to my cave and will be back after weekend ^^

 

[rv8000]

When I first installed the driver I was so overwhelmed that I've installed everything, and software started to download AI stuff, now I know that it is optional like adrenaline software, but I've needed to search web to see that it is really optional.
And I reinstalled like 3 times adrenaline in first day because of the instability and bloatware that was just hidden with simple tricks to install along the driver.
For Me amd driver software combo is Bloatware partially cause of My fault, but if You install the software it should have normal operation in standard installation, and optional "features" as optional, not already set to install.
I don't know more I look into installing new stuff to computer, more stuff is bloated.
(Discord is trash with updates lately, windows is trash with updates lately, I'm afraid of updates, steam has some stupid options for me lately added)
I think I'm a little outdated when it comes to pc.
I love the windows 2000/xp installers, where software was software not everything in one combo pack.
Oh and everything want to launch with windows, why?
Sorry for offtop, I'm going back to my cave and will be back after weekend ^^

You’re blaming personal problems on AMD, as by default it does not install the AI addons. Read and pay attention to what you’re installing rather than hitting a bunch of buttons and clickling yes, yes, yes…

It’s astounding how so many people don’t read instructions and then seek to blame anyone else but themselves when they’re the one at fault.

 

[Kwadratowicz]

You’re blaming personal problems on AMD, as by default it does not install the AI addons. Read and pay attention to what you’re installing rather than hitting a bunch of buttons and clickling yes, yes, yes…

It’s astounding how so many people don’t read instructions and then seek to blame anyone else but themselves when they’re the one at fault.

That's why I'm talking that next next next should be stock, and everything else should be added as bonus option.
I'm really carefull when reading stuff, and lately this stuff is so complicated at first glance that I've made a mistake.
But I wanna to make mistakes like deleting system32 folder, not installing crap.

It’s astounding how so many people don’t read instructions and then seek to blame anyone else but themselves when they’re the one at fault.

That's why I'm telling everything even My mistakes, that are part of problem for Me.
But the software engineers are making stuff that is problematic to read. and for Me it is a problem too.

 

[lexluthermiester]

You’re blaming personal problems on AMD, as by default it does not install the AI addons.

That depends on whether you do the custom install or the default install on the drivers. Look it up if you don't understand.

 

[rv8000]

That depends on whether you do the custom install or the default install on the drivers. Look it up if you don't understand.

The AI software is a separation installation to either.

 

[lexluthermiester]

The AI software is a separation installation to either.

You might want to check out the following;

https://www.amd.com/en/resources/support-articles/release-notes/RN-RAD-WIN-25-6-1.html

Notice that AI NPU driver part? What do you think gets installed automagically with that?