RX 9060 XT 16 GB GPU Synthetic Benchmarks Leak

[Thimblewad]

That's a good explanation though. And guess it makes sense since FS4 is quite the leap on quality compared to 3.1.

Still sucks though.

Totally agree. There were some rumors of "FSR 3.5" coming for the older cards which should be better than what we have now, but since AMD announced FSR Redstone for FSR4, I believe they will fully commit to making FSR4 as good as possible in the near future, leaving the older gen cards behind. We shall see.

But still, nothing beats native!

 

[sepheronx]

Totally agree. There were some rumors of "FSR 3.5" coming for the older cards which should be better than what we have now, but since AMD announced FSR Redstone for FSR4, I believe they will fully commit to making FSR4 as good as possible in the near future, leaving the older gen cards behind. We shall see.

But still, nothing beats native!

No, nothing beats Native. But due to every developer needing to use Unreal Crap 5 and optimize it using a Casio speak and spell computer, most games that have same graphics as Croc 2 requires upscaling of some sort to make it playable.

 

[Chrispy_]

No, nothing beats Native. But due to every developer needing to use Unreal Crap 5 and optimize it using a Casio speak and spell computer, most games that have same graphics as Croc 2 requires upscaling of some sort to make it playable.

I'm not sure UnrealEngine 5 is the cause of the problem. There are games that run incredibly well on UE5 with relatively modest hardware (ie, old potato PCs and Steam Deck).

The problem is that UE5 is so easy to work with that even n00b/lazy devs can churn something out that runs well enough to profit from, even if they ignore all the best practices, throw inappropriately huge assets from external libraries into it, and just mash it all together with the bare-minimum of optimisation or testing until it stops crashing enough to call "done".

 

[Rabit]

Clearly you are not talking about me cause I own an amd card and I like FSR. Their drivers are crap though.


But it isn't, you could find 5060, 5060ti 8gb, 5060ti 16gb and 5070 for real close or actual MSRP prices. Now amd cards on the other hand...


I know you don't really care about facts that much but here we go.

9070xt MSRP = 599. Actual price of cheapest I can find = 729€
5070 MSRP = 549 Actual price of cheapest I can find = 562€
5060 MSRP = 299. Actual price = 317€

Clearly, you can see the difference right?

Only USA issue in Europe AMD GPU usually are MSRP +10%, Nvidia have only 5070 have at MSRP, 5060ti 16G is also +5%

 

[Chrispy_]

Only USA issue in Europe AMD GPU usually are MSRP +10%, Nvidia have only 5070 have at MSRP, 5060ti 16G is also +5%

AMD cards are definitely overpriced in the UK right now.

The UK MSRP was supposed to be £559, including tax. If any stock arrives with retailers at £659 or less it goes out of stock pretty quickly. 9070XTs are typically 20% above MSRP over here:



Just had a look at 5070Ti and there are plenty within 5% of the £729 MSRP, but if you scroll down a bit you'll find a few base models in stock as low as £709, which is below MSRP.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Only USA issue in Europe AMD GPU usually are MSRP +10%, Nvidia have only 5070 have at MSRP, 5060ti 16G is also +5%

It's also only this generation outside of a crypto boom typically AMD releases at an unrealistic MSRP and drops 10-20% rapidly.

This is the first generation I can remember that they've not only maintained MSRP they've been able to sell at an inflated msrp in some regions as well. Nvidia's meh generational improvements and even faker MSRP are the primary culprit only their undesirable 8GB cards have been able to maintain msrp in the states.

So unless someone has the memory of a person with severe dementia talking about MSRP behavior for 1 generation is silly at best.

Also I would argue both companies would prefer the current situation going on assuming they are benefiting from it which I no doubt they are.

 

[Chrispy_]

This is the first generation I can remember that they've not only maintained MSRP they've been able to sell at an inflated msrp in some regions as well.

7800XT held its price premium here and in most of Western Europe for a good year or so.

Realistically, it only came down to the MSRP late last year when the promise of next-gen cards made people hold fire on GPU purchases in general.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

7800XT held it's price premium here and in parts of Europe for a good year or so.

Realistically, it only came down to the MSRP late last year when the promise of next-gen cards made people hold fire on GPU purchases in general.

It was their best release last gen but even it dropped 50-60 not long after the 4070 Super launched here and crawled back up after both Nvidia and AMD stopped making previous generation gpus which was sooner than usual likely due to both RDNA4 and Lovelace being slightly pushed back into 2025 from late 2024.

The 7900GRE hurt it as well being the better card at 50 usd more msrp vs msrp.

 

[Dr. Dro]

9070XT is limited by something other than cores - people who have modded 9070 > 9070XT get practically identical scores to the XT when using the XT's power limits despite 1/8th of the cores being disabled/broken.

I'm not smart enough to know what the limiting factor is with the 9070-series, my initial hunch was VRAM bandwidth but I've overclocked mine as high as 2750MHz (22Gbps) and not seen anything close to matching performance gain, so it's probably not bandwidth limited either.

Reminds me of the RX Vega 56 (at least those with Samsung HBM chips) and the R9 Fury. It could be poor scaling at the hardware level, could be driver halfassery, could be a lot of things. That's where Chips and Cheese's technical deep dives tend to bring in the goods. For example, something like this article that describes in detail how AMD's RT engines work:

RDNA 4’s Raytracing Improvements

Raytraced effects have gained increasing adoption in AAA titles, adding an extra graphics quality tier beyond traditional “ultra” settings. AMD has continuously advanced their raytracin…

old.chipsandcheese.com

No, nothing beats Native. But due to every developer needing to use Unreal Crap 5 and optimize it using a Casio speak and spell computer, most games that have same graphics as Croc 2 requires upscaling of some sort to make it playable.

DLAA is amazing. If FSR 4 has a similar mode, I highly suggest you ditch Native with vaseline TAA and use that instead. And at least since DLSS 3.5, distinguishing Quality from Native has gotten very hard. More often than not, it's worth enabling on the power and heat savings alone.

 

[vitiellofrancesco318@gmai]

Guys good evening I'm undecided whether to wait for the 9060xt or get a used 6800xt for €320, what do you recommend? I play on a non-competitive 1080p 144hz monitor only triple A single player, I would like to buy it even if I then get a 2k monitor, what do you recommend I do?

 

[sepheronx]

I don't have a fsr4 compatible gpu

 

[Recus]

Meanwhile, Nvidia claims the 5060 can max out AAA games at over 100FPS.
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For e-sports titles, the context there is important, but I can tell you're excluding it on purpose.
The honesty coming from a marketing person is kinda nice given all the marketing BS coming from every company, they're telling you the 8GB card is intended for casual gaming , while the leather jacket man puts the part where you need upscaling and 4x fake frames in very fine print.

Nvidia says 5060 is for DLSS+FG. AMD says 9060 is for esport games. But AMD mindshare attacking Nvidia for manipulating reviewers but for 9060 reviews to test only esport games is fine? Shouldn't APU handle esport/indie/flash games? Knowing that AMD users secretly always using FSR, how narrative has changed from "native is always better" to "FSR4 is good, need in more games".

 

[rv8000]

9070XT is limited by something other than cores - people who have modded 9070 > 9070XT get practically identical scores to the XT when using the XT's power limits despite 1/8th of the cores being disabled/broken.

I'm not smart enough to know what the limiting factor is with the 9070-series, my initial hunch was VRAM bandwidth but I've overclocked mine as high as 2750MHz (22Gbps) and not seen anything close to matching performance gain, so it's probably not bandwidth limited either.

This doesn’t really seem to be true. When looking at some benchmark results of people pushing both cards there remains about a ~10% gap between the two models in 3D Mark Synthetics (very similar gap to reviews on tpu for overall averages in games between the two models). Shader units never scale perfectly.

 

[Krit]

9070xt MSRP = 599. Actual price of cheapest I can find = 729€
5070 MSRP = 549 Actual price of cheapest I can find = 562€
5060 MSRP = 299. Actual price = 317€

Not fair comparison because 5060/5070 hardware is low end trash gpu die size ram capacity etc. GTX 1050/1060 or RTX 3050/3060 level gpus one tier lower than normally.

RX 9070 XT 696€
RTX 5070 Ti 810€

 

[Chrispy_]

Guys good evening I'm undecided whether to wait for the 9060xt or get a used 6800xt for €320, what do you recommend? I play on a non-competitive 1080p 144hz monitor only triple A single player, I would like to buy it even if I then get a 2k monitor, what do you recommend I do?

€320 for a 6800XT is pretty good.

I'd be tempted to wait for 9060XT reviews and pricing though. I had the 6800XT for about a year and It's quite power-hungry. If the Vulkan score of this Geekbench leak is even vaguely in the right ballpark, I suspect the 9060XT will be close in performance to the 6800XT.

It'll likely use waaay less power (probably ~200W instead of 300W)
It'll definitely support FSR4,
It will probably outperform the 6800XT in anything with significant raytracing.

But if it launches at €450 and then comes with 20% retail markup, that €320 6800XT will still be an option, perhaps?

 

[Hecate91]

Not fair comparison because 5060/5070 hardware is low end trash gpu die size ram capacity etc. GTX 1050/1060 or RTX 3050/3060 level gpus one tier lower than normally.

RX 9070 XT 696€
RTX 5070 Ti 810€

I think the 5070 should've been the 5060Ti, or given more than 12GB of VRAM, but I agree comparing the 9070XT to a 5070 based on pricing isn't a fair comparison.
The cheapest cards from Microcenter in the US are an Asrock Steel Legend RX 9070XT for $699.99, and the cheapest RTX 5070Ti is the Gigabyte Windforce for $824.99.

Nvidia says 5060 is for DLSS+FG. AMD says 9060 is for esport games. But AMD mindshare attacking Nvidia for manipulating reviewers but for 9060 reviews to test only esport games is fine? Shouldn't APU handle esport/indie/flash games? Knowing that AMD users secretly always using FSR, how narrative has changed from "native is always better" to "FSR4 is good, need in more games".

Nvidia wants reviewers to hype up the 5060 with DLSS and 4X frame gen as a main selling point, no reputable reviewer accepted the manipulative tactics, which is a reason why Nvidia is under so much criticism lately. Also the 8GB VRAM is a limitation even with those features, as 4X frame gen isn't free performance either, since performance worsens as the card runs out of VRAM. Calling me AMD mindshare for criticizing Nvidia's BS? Lol, please.
IMO, AMD is being more truthful for what a lower end 8GB GPU is going to be useful for, e-sports,casual and older games which won't need the latest high end card to run. An APU probably could run a lot of titles, but Nvidia wants to sell you a low end 8GB card slower than a card from 5 years ago for $300. So far the leaks on the 9060XT are placing it around a 7700XT, I think that is a lot more acceptable for a low end to mid range card.
AMD is secretly pushing everyone to use FSR? That is news to me, I don't turn on FSR or AFMF, I'd rather play games at native resolution, and yeah native is always better, but FSR4 is a massive improvment, Nvidia no longer has any advantage in upscaling except for the massive amount of Nvidia sponsored titles only offering DLSS or not using FSR4.

 

[Raffles]

I'm not sure UnrealEngine 5 is the cause of the problem. There are games that run incredibly well on UE5 with relatively modest hardware (ie, old potato PCs and Steam Deck).

The problem is that UE5 is so easy to work with that even n00b/lazy devs can churn something out that runs well enough to profit from, even if they ignore all the best practices, throw inappropriately huge assets from external libraries into it, and just mash it all together with the bare-minimum of optimisation or testing until it stops crashing enough to call "done".

Such as? The only games I can think of are Robocop and TXR, and even then, I'm not sure I'd go as far as saying they run incredibly well, more just much better than most other UE5 games

"Incredibly well" for me would be something like Doom Eternal, or even more so, Forza Horizon 4 and 5 given the huge scope of the world and the visuals on offer.

 

[Hecate91]

Clearly you are not talking about me cause I own an amd card and I like FSR. Their drivers are crap though.

Clearly you haven't used one in years if you think the drivers are crap. Don't you have an RTX 4090?

But it isn't, you could find 5060, 5060ti 8gb, 5060ti 16gb and 5070 for real close or actual MSRP prices. Now amd cards on the other hand...


I know you don't really care about facts that much but here we go.

9070xt MSRP = 599. Actual price of cheapest I can find = 729€
5070 MSRP = 549 Actual price of cheapest I can find = 562€
5060 MSRP = 299. Actual price = 317€

Clearly, you can see the difference right?

Maybe in the EU, but in the US, Nvidia cards are all over MSRP or are unavailable.
And I can see the difference because you aren't even making a fair comparison, the 9070XT is competing with the 5070Ti, not the 5070.
The 5060 will probably remain close to MSRP as no one building their own system will pay $300 for that overpriced turd, and the only MSRP 5060 on Newegg is an Asus Prime model, a card which makes absolutely no sense to have a large 3 fan cooler, every other card is $319-409. The 5060 isn't worth anything over MSRP if the budget limit is $300 and used isn't an option.

 

[wolf]

I don't know of any other company getting excused for footnotes, AMD got criticized heavily for saying the 9060XT is 6% faster.

They both get criticism, should one be immune to it for the reasons of your choosing?

Nvidia has to be the worst by far with the "5070>4090" claim. With that bizarre logic the 5060 should be faster than the 4080.

That one was a doozey! My favourite might just be when AMD said 4GB VRAM wasn't enough, and then subsequently launched one of their worst cards ever to fleece as many people as possible, and had to circle back and delete what they said about 4GB when they were called out. Hang on.... maybe it was the time they advertised the 5900XT as being as fast in gaming as a 13700K becuase they showed GPU limited numbers, yeesh.

I'm tired of people bashing on something before it's even launched.

To me it just sounds like you're tired of people "bashing" something AMD before it's launched.

What sales shortcomings? The card is yet to hit the market. All indications show this gen is well above target.
You just proved the bias he was talking about.

My dudes, of course I'm not talking about products that have not released yet I thought that would be obvious but here we are.

And the irony of coming to say it proves my bias, when his post is riddled with his own, you just happen to agree with it. So it displays just as much of your bias too

or say FSR looks bad despite never owning an AMD card.

You realise people using Intel and Nvidia GPU's can try FSR too right?

 

[Chrispy_]

Such as? The only games I can think of are Robocop and TXR, and even then, I'm not sure I'd go as far as saying they run incredibly well, more just much better than most other UE5 games

"Incredibly well" for me would be something like Doom Eternal, or even more so, Forza Horizon 4 and 5 given the huge scope of the world and the visuals on offer.

Satisfactory springs to mind. Black Myth Wukong is another that looks gorgeous and runs well at high settings even on a laptop 4060. Jusant has a simple art style and runs like butter.

I never played it, but Concord was supposed to run amazingly on UE5, you can watch a digitalfoundry deep dive on it.

UE5 is just an engine. If you throw garbage at it while completely ignoring all the warnings in the user manual, you're gonna get a game that runs like shit. There are other engines that run like slop if you abuse them, like Unity, Godot, and of course UE4!

 

[Hecate91]

They both get criticism, should one be immune to it for the reasons of your choosing?

I know plenty of people here would rather have team green be free an any criticism at all with being unrestrained to control and influence the tech press as they like.

My favourite might just be when AMD said 4GB VRAM wasn't enough, and then subsequently launched one of their worst cards ever to fleece as many people as possible

Of course it is when you leave out is was the only GPU to buy for many people, the 6500XT is crap today, but at the time it was a usable GPU with the only alternative during the GPU crypto dark days was a GT 710 or GT1030 DDR4.

5900XT as being as fast in gaming as a 13700K

AMD's marketing is stupid at times, but remember Intel's "snake oil" marketing scheme? Or the 13th and 14th gen chips degrading themselves to death just to beat AMD in benchmarks by a few percent?
Anyone buying an AM4 CPU was probably laughing even though it was slower in GPU bound games.

To me it just sounds like you're tired of people "bashing" something AMD before it's launched.

Yes I'm tired of the same people bashing anything from AMD before is launched, while they place anything from the leather jacket man on a pedestal because it's Nvidia.

My dudes, of course I'm not talking about products that have not released yet I thought that would be obvious but here we are.

And the irony of coming to say it proves my bias, when his post is riddled with his own, you just happen to agree with it. So it displays just as much of your bias too

The irony is calling anyone biased,lol.

You realise people using Intel and Nvidia GPU's can try FSR too right?

Why would they when people are constantly bashing on FSR? Everyone using Nvidia or Intel GPU's make FSR sound as if it's unusable.

 

[wolf]

I know plenty of people here would rather have team green be free an any criticism at all with being unrestrained to control and influence the tech press as they like.

That stupid and those people are stupid. No company is above criticism.

Of course it is when you leave out is was the only GPU to buy for many people, the 6500XT is crap today, but at the time it was a usable GPU with the only alternative during the GPU crypto dark days was a GT 710 or GT1030 DDR4.

It absolutely was not the only GPU to buy for many people. It was one of the least worst options at the time, doesn't change how AMD handled the 4GB fiasco, how badly cut back it was, and how it was launched.

AMD's marketing is stupid at times

agreed.

Yes I'm tired of the same people bashing anything from AMD before is launched, while they place anything from the leather jacket man on a pedestal because it's Nvidia.

That's also stupid, I wouldn't and don't praise anything Nvidia just because it's Nvidia, that's terrible reasoning to praise something. Each product must be assessed on it's own merits.

From where I sit, it's more folks like you who have put "leather jacket man on a pedestal". The obsession with the CEO is odd, disturbing and a little amusing frankly.

The irony is calling anyone biased,lol.

Coming from you it's just as rich, if not richer, and if you've been paying attention you might see that I've never denied having biases, everyone does. Truthfully my Bias is almost entirely against toxic fans rather than it is a company or it's products. I must hate AMD soooo much to have used multiple of their platforms and GCPU's in succession, as well as many of their GPU's over the years, including currently in other PC's from my main gaming one.

Why would they when people are constantly bashing on FSR? Everyone using Nvidia or Intel GPU's make FSR sound as if it's unusable.

Because it's an in game toggle they can try? I can't speak for everyone, but personally (and from what I see across the net, others do this too) I try FSR every time if it's available, it feels silly not to. The way upscaling is implemented varies heavily game to game and it's always worth seeing which of the solutions available to you gives the best result. By all accounts FSR4 is fantastic and I am glad AMD finally went ML and the proof is already in the pudding.

Perhaps people "bashed" earlier FSR versions because, well, they were markedly inferior to DLSS and even XeSS, and it was legitimate criticism that has pushed AMD to continue to improve it. I'm sure glad they kept going and didn't just stop at FSR 1, 2 or 3 - it benefits everyone to have this improve, and I'm all about gamers having more choices.

 

[Dr. Dro]

I don't have a fsr4 compatible gpu

Well, unless you've upgraded since you set your forum specs, you have a 3080, which means you can run DLSS 4's super sampling component at DLAA level (which is the purest image right now)

 

[Visible Noise]

Seems like 8GB might soon become AMD's worst enemy.... Giggles echo in the background. Jokes aside, It's looking faster than a 5060, right around 5060Ti maybe even ahead, and with 8GB @ $299 which old mate Frank Azor says most gamers won't need more than.... I wonder how this will fare with tech press, rage bait youtubers and enthusiasts.

AMD will get a pass as usual. Nvidia fans aren’t nearly as toxic as AMD diehards from what I’ve seen, so there won’t be an audience to rile up for the clicks.

 

[JustBenching]

Clearly you haven't used one in years if you think the drivers are crap. Don't you have an RTX 4090?

Im using one daily. Most of the major issues I had were fixed in feb 2024. But that was 2 years too late...Yes I also have a 4090, I have multiple PCs / laptops.

Not fair comparison because 5060/5070 hardware is low end trash gpu die size ram capacity etc. GTX 1050/1060 or RTX 3050/3060 level gpus one tier lower than normally.

RX 9070 XT 696€
RTX 5070 Ti 810€

The 5070 is an xx60 low end trash GPU? You do release that it will run circles around the 9600xt, right?