Tflops is only indicator for compute scenarios. So, heavy fluid or physics calculations or simply raw math. Graphics tend to fall down a lot more on everything else and depend on individual things within the render pipeline.
System Name | eazen corp | Xentronon 7.2 |
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Processor | AMD Ryzen 7 3700X // PBO max. |
Motherboard | Asus TUF Gaming X570-Plus |
Cooling | Noctua NH-D14 SE2011 w/ AM4 kit // 3x Corsair AF140L case fans (2 in, 1 out) |
Memory | G.Skill Trident Z RGB 2x16 GB DDR4 3600 @ 3800, CL16-19-19-39-58-1T, 1.4 V |
Video Card(s) | Asus ROG Strix GeForce RTX 2080 Ti modded to MATRIX // 2000-2100 MHz Core / 1938 MHz G6 |
Storage | Silicon Power P34A80 1TB NVME/Samsung SSD 830 128GB&850 Evo 500GB&F3 1TB 7200RPM/Seagate 2TB 5900RPM |
Display(s) | Samsung 27" Curved FS2 HDR QLED 1440p/144Hz&27" iiyama TN LED 1080p/120Hz / Samsung 40" IPS 1080p TV |
Case | Corsair Carbide 600C |
Audio Device(s) | HyperX Cloud Orbit S / Creative SB X AE-5 @ Logitech Z906 / Sony HD AVR @PC & TV @ Teufel Theater 80 |
Power Supply | EVGA 650 GQ |
Mouse | Logitech G700 @ Steelseries DeX // Xbox 360 Wireless Controller |
Keyboard | Corsair K70 LUX RGB /w Cherry MX Brown switches |
VR HMD | Still nope |
Software | Win 10 Pro |
Benchmark Scores | 15 095 Time Spy | P29 079 Firestrike | P35 628 3DM11 | X67 508 3DM Vantage Extreme |
System Name | eazen corp | Xentronon 7.2 |
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Processor | AMD Ryzen 7 3700X // PBO max. |
Motherboard | Asus TUF Gaming X570-Plus |
Cooling | Noctua NH-D14 SE2011 w/ AM4 kit // 3x Corsair AF140L case fans (2 in, 1 out) |
Memory | G.Skill Trident Z RGB 2x16 GB DDR4 3600 @ 3800, CL16-19-19-39-58-1T, 1.4 V |
Video Card(s) | Asus ROG Strix GeForce RTX 2080 Ti modded to MATRIX // 2000-2100 MHz Core / 1938 MHz G6 |
Storage | Silicon Power P34A80 1TB NVME/Samsung SSD 830 128GB&850 Evo 500GB&F3 1TB 7200RPM/Seagate 2TB 5900RPM |
Display(s) | Samsung 27" Curved FS2 HDR QLED 1440p/144Hz&27" iiyama TN LED 1080p/120Hz / Samsung 40" IPS 1080p TV |
Case | Corsair Carbide 600C |
Audio Device(s) | HyperX Cloud Orbit S / Creative SB X AE-5 @ Logitech Z906 / Sony HD AVR @PC & TV @ Teufel Theater 80 |
Power Supply | EVGA 650 GQ |
Mouse | Logitech G700 @ Steelseries DeX // Xbox 360 Wireless Controller |
Keyboard | Corsair K70 LUX RGB /w Cherry MX Brown switches |
VR HMD | Still nope |
Software | Win 10 Pro |
Benchmark Scores | 15 095 Time Spy | P29 079 Firestrike | P35 628 3DM11 | X67 508 3DM Vantage Extreme |
System Name | BY-2021 |
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Processor | AMD Ryzen 7 5800X (65w eco profile) |
Motherboard | MSI B550 Gaming Plus |
Cooling | Scythe Mugen (rev 5) |
Memory | 2 x Kingston HyperX DDR4-3200 32 GiB |
Video Card(s) | AMD Radeon RX 7900 XT |
Storage | Samsung 980 Pro, Seagate Exos X20 TB 7200 RPM |
Display(s) | Nixeus NX-EDG274K (3840x2160@144 DP) + Samsung SyncMaster 906BW (1440x900@60 HDMI-DVI) |
Case | Coolermaster HAF 932 w/ USB 3.0 5.25" bay + USB 3.2 (A+C) 3.5" bay |
Audio Device(s) | Realtek ALC1150, Micca OriGen+ |
Power Supply | Enermax Platimax 850w |
Mouse | Nixeus REVEL-X |
Keyboard | Tesoro Excalibur |
Software | Windows 10 Home 64-bit |
Benchmark Scores | Faster than the tortoise; slower than the hare. |
Everything you see is numbers and fundamentally, a GPU is thousands of calculators in parallel performing millions of calculations each per second. NVIDIA cards have very little idle hardware in the space of rendering a frame. AMD cards are about 10-40% idle by the same metric.Tflops is only indicator for compute scenarios. So, heavy fluid or physics calculations or simply raw math. Graphics tend to fall down a lot more on everything else and depend on individual things within the render pipeline.
System Name | eazen corp | Xentronon 7.2 |
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Processor | AMD Ryzen 7 3700X // PBO max. |
Motherboard | Asus TUF Gaming X570-Plus |
Cooling | Noctua NH-D14 SE2011 w/ AM4 kit // 3x Corsair AF140L case fans (2 in, 1 out) |
Memory | G.Skill Trident Z RGB 2x16 GB DDR4 3600 @ 3800, CL16-19-19-39-58-1T, 1.4 V |
Video Card(s) | Asus ROG Strix GeForce RTX 2080 Ti modded to MATRIX // 2000-2100 MHz Core / 1938 MHz G6 |
Storage | Silicon Power P34A80 1TB NVME/Samsung SSD 830 128GB&850 Evo 500GB&F3 1TB 7200RPM/Seagate 2TB 5900RPM |
Display(s) | Samsung 27" Curved FS2 HDR QLED 1440p/144Hz&27" iiyama TN LED 1080p/120Hz / Samsung 40" IPS 1080p TV |
Case | Corsair Carbide 600C |
Audio Device(s) | HyperX Cloud Orbit S / Creative SB X AE-5 @ Logitech Z906 / Sony HD AVR @PC & TV @ Teufel Theater 80 |
Power Supply | EVGA 650 GQ |
Mouse | Logitech G700 @ Steelseries DeX // Xbox 360 Wireless Controller |
Keyboard | Corsair K70 LUX RGB /w Cherry MX Brown switches |
VR HMD | Still nope |
Software | Win 10 Pro |
Benchmark Scores | 15 095 Time Spy | P29 079 Firestrike | P35 628 3DM11 | X67 508 3DM Vantage Extreme |
Hence the reason why AMD GPUs and even Fiji look so great in Doom. I think AMD right now is probably optimizing drivers and yield for Vega to be released as high performing as possible.Why does Vulkan perform so much better on AMD? Because developers can perform the optimizations for GCN that AMD doesn't do (or does much later). The improved performance comes from better utilization of the card's resources to render the frame.
System Name | BY-2021 |
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Processor | AMD Ryzen 7 5800X (65w eco profile) |
Motherboard | MSI B550 Gaming Plus |
Cooling | Scythe Mugen (rev 5) |
Memory | 2 x Kingston HyperX DDR4-3200 32 GiB |
Video Card(s) | AMD Radeon RX 7900 XT |
Storage | Samsung 980 Pro, Seagate Exos X20 TB 7200 RPM |
Display(s) | Nixeus NX-EDG274K (3840x2160@144 DP) + Samsung SyncMaster 906BW (1440x900@60 HDMI-DVI) |
Case | Coolermaster HAF 932 w/ USB 3.0 5.25" bay + USB 3.2 (A+C) 3.5" bay |
Audio Device(s) | Realtek ALC1150, Micca OriGen+ |
Power Supply | Enermax Platimax 850w |
Mouse | Nixeus REVEL-X |
Keyboard | Tesoro Excalibur |
Software | Windows 10 Home 64-bit |
Benchmark Scores | Faster than the tortoise; slower than the hare. |
1080 Ti is up to 11.3 TFLOPs. Assuming RX 480's ~30% penalty carries over to Vega's 12.5 TFLOPs, we can only expect 8.75 TFLOPs of actual rendering performance which is very close to GTX 1080's 8.8 TFLOPs under boost.That technical marketing guy said Vega is doing fine compared to 1080 Ti, well I guess it's a bit slower then. They could release it for the vast 500-700 dollar market np. I think Vega will not be like Fiji at all, I actually think it will be great because it's not such a limited and used up design Fiji was. It's not simply Tonga x2. While I like Fiji I don't like that it was a simple and ineffective design in parts. I'm sure Vega will be much better, NCU and all these things, I'm kinda hopeful about it, despite all the things I know.
System Name | eazen corp | Xentronon 7.2 |
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Processor | AMD Ryzen 7 3700X // PBO max. |
Motherboard | Asus TUF Gaming X570-Plus |
Cooling | Noctua NH-D14 SE2011 w/ AM4 kit // 3x Corsair AF140L case fans (2 in, 1 out) |
Memory | G.Skill Trident Z RGB 2x16 GB DDR4 3600 @ 3800, CL16-19-19-39-58-1T, 1.4 V |
Video Card(s) | Asus ROG Strix GeForce RTX 2080 Ti modded to MATRIX // 2000-2100 MHz Core / 1938 MHz G6 |
Storage | Silicon Power P34A80 1TB NVME/Samsung SSD 830 128GB&850 Evo 500GB&F3 1TB 7200RPM/Seagate 2TB 5900RPM |
Display(s) | Samsung 27" Curved FS2 HDR QLED 1440p/144Hz&27" iiyama TN LED 1080p/120Hz / Samsung 40" IPS 1080p TV |
Case | Corsair Carbide 600C |
Audio Device(s) | HyperX Cloud Orbit S / Creative SB X AE-5 @ Logitech Z906 / Sony HD AVR @PC & TV @ Teufel Theater 80 |
Power Supply | EVGA 650 GQ |
Mouse | Logitech G700 @ Steelseries DeX // Xbox 360 Wireless Controller |
Keyboard | Corsair K70 LUX RGB /w Cherry MX Brown switches |
VR HMD | Still nope |
Software | Win 10 Pro |
Benchmark Scores | 15 095 Time Spy | P29 079 Firestrike | P35 628 3DM11 | X67 508 3DM Vantage Extreme |
System Name | Bro2 |
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Processor | Ryzen 5800X |
Motherboard | Gigabyte X570 Aorus Elite |
Cooling | Corsair h115i pro rgb |
Memory | 16GB G.Skill Flare X 3200 CL14 @3800Mhz CL16 |
Video Card(s) | Powercolor 6900 XT Red Devil 1.1v@2400Mhz |
Storage | M.2 Samsung 970 Evo Plus 500MB/ Samsung 860 Evo 1TB |
Display(s) | LG 27UD69 UHD / LG 27GN950 |
Case | Fractal Design G |
Audio Device(s) | Realtec 5.1 |
Power Supply | Seasonic 750W GOLD |
Mouse | Logitech G402 |
Keyboard | Logitech slim |
Software | Windows 10 64 bit |
RX480 was never meant to reach 1070. Keep that in mind. If it comes closer or match with it, that's great news. Please remember that when you compare 480 to 1070.1080 Ti is up to 11.3 TFLOPs. Assuming RX 480's ~30% penalty carries over to Vega's 12.5 TFLOPs, we can only except 8.75 TFLOPs of actual rendering performance which is very close to GTX 1080's 8.8 TFLOPs under boost.
AMD cards age better because games that release a year or two down the road are more likely to reduce that 30%.
The problem is that PC game developers overwhelmingly use NVIDIA cards so their games are optimized for NVIDIA. In games that are developed on AMD, the framerate versus TFLOPs are much closer (RX 480 gets closer to GTX 1070).
System Name | Windows 10 64-bit Core i7 6700 |
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Processor | Intel Core i7 6700 |
Motherboard | Asus Z170M-PLUS |
Cooling | Corsair AIO |
Memory | 2 x 8 GB Kingston DDR4 2666 |
Video Card(s) | Gigabyte NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060 6GB |
Storage | Western Digital Caviar Blue 1 TB, Seagate Baracuda 1 TB |
Display(s) | Dell P2414H |
Case | Corsair Carbide Air 540 |
Audio Device(s) | Realtek HD Audio |
Power Supply | Corsair TX v2 650W |
Mouse | Steelseries Sensei |
Keyboard | CM Storm Quickfire Pro, Cherry MX Reds |
Software | MS Windows 10 Pro 64-bit |
1080 Ti is up to 11.3 TFLOPs. Assuming RX 480's ~30% penalty carries over to Vega's 12.5 TFLOPs, we can only except 8.75 TFLOPs of actual rendering performance which is very close to GTX 1080's 8.8 TFLOPs under boost.
AMD cards age better because games that release a year or two down the road are more likely to reduce that 30%.
The problem is that PC game developers overwhelmingly use NVIDIA cards so their games are optimized for NVIDIA. In games that are developed on AMD, the framerate versus TFLOPs are much closer (RX 480 gets closer to GTX 1070).
System Name | eazen corp | Xentronon 7.2 |
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Processor | AMD Ryzen 7 3700X // PBO max. |
Motherboard | Asus TUF Gaming X570-Plus |
Cooling | Noctua NH-D14 SE2011 w/ AM4 kit // 3x Corsair AF140L case fans (2 in, 1 out) |
Memory | G.Skill Trident Z RGB 2x16 GB DDR4 3600 @ 3800, CL16-19-19-39-58-1T, 1.4 V |
Video Card(s) | Asus ROG Strix GeForce RTX 2080 Ti modded to MATRIX // 2000-2100 MHz Core / 1938 MHz G6 |
Storage | Silicon Power P34A80 1TB NVME/Samsung SSD 830 128GB&850 Evo 500GB&F3 1TB 7200RPM/Seagate 2TB 5900RPM |
Display(s) | Samsung 27" Curved FS2 HDR QLED 1440p/144Hz&27" iiyama TN LED 1080p/120Hz / Samsung 40" IPS 1080p TV |
Case | Corsair Carbide 600C |
Audio Device(s) | HyperX Cloud Orbit S / Creative SB X AE-5 @ Logitech Z906 / Sony HD AVR @PC & TV @ Teufel Theater 80 |
Power Supply | EVGA 650 GQ |
Mouse | Logitech G700 @ Steelseries DeX // Xbox 360 Wireless Controller |
Keyboard | Corsair K70 LUX RGB /w Cherry MX Brown switches |
VR HMD | Still nope |
Software | Win 10 Pro |
Benchmark Scores | 15 095 Time Spy | P29 079 Firestrike | P35 628 3DM11 | X67 508 3DM Vantage Extreme |
That makes a lot of sense. The "magic cache" also helps Vega to have a very high amount of VRam without actually having it.Aren't we forgetting a tiled rasterizing algorithm nvidia uses, it helps efficiency even more ... the whole gpu works in parallel on a single tile but tiles are rasterized in serial and most importantly (for making it actually more efficient) each tile fits the L2 cache.
Vega's novel cache scheme may be used for the same effect without actually changing the rasterizer for amd.
System Name | BY-2021 |
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Processor | AMD Ryzen 7 5800X (65w eco profile) |
Motherboard | MSI B550 Gaming Plus |
Cooling | Scythe Mugen (rev 5) |
Memory | 2 x Kingston HyperX DDR4-3200 32 GiB |
Video Card(s) | AMD Radeon RX 7900 XT |
Storage | Samsung 980 Pro, Seagate Exos X20 TB 7200 RPM |
Display(s) | Nixeus NX-EDG274K (3840x2160@144 DP) + Samsung SyncMaster 906BW (1440x900@60 HDMI-DVI) |
Case | Coolermaster HAF 932 w/ USB 3.0 5.25" bay + USB 3.2 (A+C) 3.5" bay |
Audio Device(s) | Realtek ALC1150, Micca OriGen+ |
Power Supply | Enermax Platimax 850w |
Mouse | Nixeus REVEL-X |
Keyboard | Tesoro Excalibur |
Software | Windows 10 Home 64-bit |
Benchmark Scores | Faster than the tortoise; slower than the hare. |
RX 480 has about 5.8 TFLOPs versus GTX 1070s 6.4 TFLOPs (10.3% difference). In games like Doom (Vulkan), RX 480 gets to 5-10% frames of GTX 1070. RX 580 has 6.2 TFLOPs so in the same scenario almost identical framerate is plausible. Vega 10 can be expected to perform like a Titan Xp in Doom (Vulkan) as well; however, this is a fringe case where id Software has taken the time to optimize for AMD which is sadly an exception and not the norm.RX480 was never meant to reach 1070. Keep that in mind. If it comes closer or match with it, that's great news. Please remember that when you compare 480 to 1070.
In games optimized for GCN and only games optimized for GCN (e.g. Doom w/ Vulkan).The internal tests of RX Vega show performance levels between GTX 1080Ti and Titan Xp so, there's that...
System Name | eazen corp | Xentronon 7.2 |
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Processor | AMD Ryzen 7 3700X // PBO max. |
Motherboard | Asus TUF Gaming X570-Plus |
Cooling | Noctua NH-D14 SE2011 w/ AM4 kit // 3x Corsair AF140L case fans (2 in, 1 out) |
Memory | G.Skill Trident Z RGB 2x16 GB DDR4 3600 @ 3800, CL16-19-19-39-58-1T, 1.4 V |
Video Card(s) | Asus ROG Strix GeForce RTX 2080 Ti modded to MATRIX // 2000-2100 MHz Core / 1938 MHz G6 |
Storage | Silicon Power P34A80 1TB NVME/Samsung SSD 830 128GB&850 Evo 500GB&F3 1TB 7200RPM/Seagate 2TB 5900RPM |
Display(s) | Samsung 27" Curved FS2 HDR QLED 1440p/144Hz&27" iiyama TN LED 1080p/120Hz / Samsung 40" IPS 1080p TV |
Case | Corsair Carbide 600C |
Audio Device(s) | HyperX Cloud Orbit S / Creative SB X AE-5 @ Logitech Z906 / Sony HD AVR @PC & TV @ Teufel Theater 80 |
Power Supply | EVGA 650 GQ |
Mouse | Logitech G700 @ Steelseries DeX // Xbox 360 Wireless Controller |
Keyboard | Corsair K70 LUX RGB /w Cherry MX Brown switches |
VR HMD | Still nope |
Software | Win 10 Pro |
Benchmark Scores | 15 095 Time Spy | P29 079 Firestrike | P35 628 3DM11 | X67 508 3DM Vantage Extreme |
However there are more AMD games coming, and don't forget their partnership with Bethesda.RX 480 has about 5.8 TFLOPs versus GTX 1070s 6.4 TFLOPs. In games like Doom (Vulkan), RX 480 gets to 5-10% frames of GTX 1070. Raw TFLOP difference is 10.3%. RX 580 has 6.2 TFLOPs so in the same scenario, it can be expected to match. Vega 10 can be expected to perform like a Titan Xp in Doom (Vulkan) as well; however, this is a fringe case where id Software has taken the time to optimize for AMD which is sadly an exception and not the norm.
System Name | BY-2021 |
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Processor | AMD Ryzen 7 5800X (65w eco profile) |
Motherboard | MSI B550 Gaming Plus |
Cooling | Scythe Mugen (rev 5) |
Memory | 2 x Kingston HyperX DDR4-3200 32 GiB |
Video Card(s) | AMD Radeon RX 7900 XT |
Storage | Samsung 980 Pro, Seagate Exos X20 TB 7200 RPM |
Display(s) | Nixeus NX-EDG274K (3840x2160@144 DP) + Samsung SyncMaster 906BW (1440x900@60 HDMI-DVI) |
Case | Coolermaster HAF 932 w/ USB 3.0 5.25" bay + USB 3.2 (A+C) 3.5" bay |
Audio Device(s) | Realtek ALC1150, Micca OriGen+ |
Power Supply | Enermax Platimax 850w |
Mouse | Nixeus REVEL-X |
Keyboard | Tesoro Excalibur |
Software | Windows 10 Home 64-bit |
Benchmark Scores | Faster than the tortoise; slower than the hare. |
System Name | eazen corp | Xentronon 7.2 |
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Processor | AMD Ryzen 7 3700X // PBO max. |
Motherboard | Asus TUF Gaming X570-Plus |
Cooling | Noctua NH-D14 SE2011 w/ AM4 kit // 3x Corsair AF140L case fans (2 in, 1 out) |
Memory | G.Skill Trident Z RGB 2x16 GB DDR4 3600 @ 3800, CL16-19-19-39-58-1T, 1.4 V |
Video Card(s) | Asus ROG Strix GeForce RTX 2080 Ti modded to MATRIX // 2000-2100 MHz Core / 1938 MHz G6 |
Storage | Silicon Power P34A80 1TB NVME/Samsung SSD 830 128GB&850 Evo 500GB&F3 1TB 7200RPM/Seagate 2TB 5900RPM |
Display(s) | Samsung 27" Curved FS2 HDR QLED 1440p/144Hz&27" iiyama TN LED 1080p/120Hz / Samsung 40" IPS 1080p TV |
Case | Corsair Carbide 600C |
Audio Device(s) | HyperX Cloud Orbit S / Creative SB X AE-5 @ Logitech Z906 / Sony HD AVR @PC & TV @ Teufel Theater 80 |
Power Supply | EVGA 650 GQ |
Mouse | Logitech G700 @ Steelseries DeX // Xbox 360 Wireless Controller |
Keyboard | Corsair K70 LUX RGB /w Cherry MX Brown switches |
VR HMD | Still nope |
Software | Win 10 Pro |
Benchmark Scores | 15 095 Time Spy | P29 079 Firestrike | P35 628 3DM11 | X67 508 3DM Vantage Extreme |
I still think you're exaggerating the whole picture (in general) and painting it too dark, but we will see soon enough.Besthesda -> id Software -> Doom
The bulk of engines out there (Unreal Engine 4, Unity, Game Maker, AnvilNext, and so on) are optimized for NVIDIA. Ashes of the Singularity and Doom (Vulkan) are the exceptions to the rule. That's not reasonably expected to change for many years yet.
System Name | BY-2021 |
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Processor | AMD Ryzen 7 5800X (65w eco profile) |
Motherboard | MSI B550 Gaming Plus |
Cooling | Scythe Mugen (rev 5) |
Memory | 2 x Kingston HyperX DDR4-3200 32 GiB |
Video Card(s) | AMD Radeon RX 7900 XT |
Storage | Samsung 980 Pro, Seagate Exos X20 TB 7200 RPM |
Display(s) | Nixeus NX-EDG274K (3840x2160@144 DP) + Samsung SyncMaster 906BW (1440x900@60 HDMI-DVI) |
Case | Coolermaster HAF 932 w/ USB 3.0 5.25" bay + USB 3.2 (A+C) 3.5" bay |
Audio Device(s) | Realtek ALC1150, Micca OriGen+ |
Power Supply | Enermax Platimax 850w |
Mouse | Nixeus REVEL-X |
Keyboard | Tesoro Excalibur |
Software | Windows 10 Home 64-bit |
Benchmark Scores | Faster than the tortoise; slower than the hare. |
Yes, it will help but the big question is "how much?"Aren't we forgetting a tiled rasterizing algorithm nvidia uses, it helps efficiency even more ... the whole gpu works in parallel on a single tile but tiles are rasterized in serial and most importantly (for making it actually more efficient) each tile fits the L2 cache.
Vega's novel cache scheme may be used for the same effect without actually changing the rasterizer for amd.
I'm looking at it realistically. The problem isn't GCN, it's lack of support for GCN. AMD makes robust, capable cards but efficiency can't come without software optimization. D3D12 and Vulkan moves optimization from AMD/NVIDIA to developers directly. Yes, it can translate to better performance but only if developers spend the resources to make it happen. It is, at the same time, a boon and bust for AMD.I still think you're exaggerating the whole picture (in general) and painting it too dark, but we will see soon enough.
System Name | eazen corp | Xentronon 7.2 |
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Processor | AMD Ryzen 7 3700X // PBO max. |
Motherboard | Asus TUF Gaming X570-Plus |
Cooling | Noctua NH-D14 SE2011 w/ AM4 kit // 3x Corsair AF140L case fans (2 in, 1 out) |
Memory | G.Skill Trident Z RGB 2x16 GB DDR4 3600 @ 3800, CL16-19-19-39-58-1T, 1.4 V |
Video Card(s) | Asus ROG Strix GeForce RTX 2080 Ti modded to MATRIX // 2000-2100 MHz Core / 1938 MHz G6 |
Storage | Silicon Power P34A80 1TB NVME/Samsung SSD 830 128GB&850 Evo 500GB&F3 1TB 7200RPM/Seagate 2TB 5900RPM |
Display(s) | Samsung 27" Curved FS2 HDR QLED 1440p/144Hz&27" iiyama TN LED 1080p/120Hz / Samsung 40" IPS 1080p TV |
Case | Corsair Carbide 600C |
Audio Device(s) | HyperX Cloud Orbit S / Creative SB X AE-5 @ Logitech Z906 / Sony HD AVR @PC & TV @ Teufel Theater 80 |
Power Supply | EVGA 650 GQ |
Mouse | Logitech G700 @ Steelseries DeX // Xbox 360 Wireless Controller |
Keyboard | Corsair K70 LUX RGB /w Cherry MX Brown switches |
VR HMD | Still nope |
Software | Win 10 Pro |
Benchmark Scores | 15 095 Time Spy | P29 079 Firestrike | P35 628 3DM11 | X67 508 3DM Vantage Extreme |
The problem is their gpus up to this point were built on utilisation through hardware and not software which is a flawed and limited design. Nvidia switched to software with Fermi I think and since then never had any problems with Util.I'm looking at it realistically. The problem isn't GCN, it's lack of support for GCN. AMD makes robust, capable cards but efficiency can't come without software optimization.
System Name | No name / Purple Haze |
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Processor | Phenom II 1100T @ 3.8Ghz / Pentium 4 3.4 EE Gallatin @ 3.825Ghz |
Motherboard | MSI 970 Gaming/ Abit IC7-MAX3 |
Cooling | CM Hyper 212X / Scythe Andy Samurai Master (CPU) - Modded Ati Silencer 5 rev. 2 (GPU) |
Memory | 8GB GEIL GB38GB2133C10ADC + 8GB G.Skill F3-14900CL9-4GBXL / 2x1GB Crucial Ballistix Tracer PC4000 |
Video Card(s) | Asus R9 Fury X Strix (4096 SP's/1050 Mhz)/ PowerColor X850XT PE @ (600/1230) AGP + (HD3850 AGP) |
Storage | Samsung 250 GB / WD Caviar 160GB |
Display(s) | Benq XL2411T |
Audio Device(s) | motherboard / Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi XtremeGamer Fatal1ty Pro + Front panel |
Power Supply | Tagan BZ 900W / Corsair HX620w |
Mouse | Zowie AM |
Keyboard | Qpad MK-50 |
Software | Windows 7 Pro 64Bit / Windows XP |
Benchmark Scores | 64CU Fury: http://www.3dmark.com/fs/11269229 / X850XT PE http://www.3dmark.com/3dm05/5532432 |
Tflops is not even the actual indicator. Pixel fillrate, triangle throughput, things like this tell you a bit more than Tflops...
Besthesda -> id Software -> Doom
The bulk of engines out there (Unreal Engine 4, Unity 5.6, Game Maker, AnvilNext, and so on) are optimized for NVIDIA. Ashes of the Singularity and Doom (Vulkan) are the exceptions to the rule. That's not reasonably expected to change for many years yet.
System Name | Bro2 |
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Processor | Ryzen 5800X |
Motherboard | Gigabyte X570 Aorus Elite |
Cooling | Corsair h115i pro rgb |
Memory | 16GB G.Skill Flare X 3200 CL14 @3800Mhz CL16 |
Video Card(s) | Powercolor 6900 XT Red Devil 1.1v@2400Mhz |
Storage | M.2 Samsung 970 Evo Plus 500MB/ Samsung 860 Evo 1TB |
Display(s) | LG 27UD69 UHD / LG 27GN950 |
Case | Fractal Design G |
Audio Device(s) | Realtec 5.1 |
Power Supply | Seasonic 750W GOLD |
Mouse | Logitech G402 |
Keyboard | Logitech slim |
Software | Windows 10 64 bit |
RX 480 has about 5.8 TFLOPs versus GTX 1070s 6.4 TFLOPs (10.3% difference). In games like Doom (Vulkan), RX 480 gets to 5-10% frames of GTX 1070. RX 580 has 6.2 TFLOPs so in the same scenario almost identical framerate is plausible. Vega 10 can be expected to perform like a Titan Xp in Doom (Vulkan) as well; however, this is a fringe case where id Software has taken the time to optimize for AMD which is sadly an exception and not the norm.
In games optimized for GCN and only games optimized for GCN (e.g. Doom w/ Vulkan).
System Name | BY-2021 |
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Processor | AMD Ryzen 7 5800X (65w eco profile) |
Motherboard | MSI B550 Gaming Plus |
Cooling | Scythe Mugen (rev 5) |
Memory | 2 x Kingston HyperX DDR4-3200 32 GiB |
Video Card(s) | AMD Radeon RX 7900 XT |
Storage | Samsung 980 Pro, Seagate Exos X20 TB 7200 RPM |
Display(s) | Nixeus NX-EDG274K (3840x2160@144 DP) + Samsung SyncMaster 906BW (1440x900@60 HDMI-DVI) |
Case | Coolermaster HAF 932 w/ USB 3.0 5.25" bay + USB 3.2 (A+C) 3.5" bay |
Audio Device(s) | Realtek ALC1150, Micca OriGen+ |
Power Supply | Enermax Platimax 850w |
Mouse | Nixeus REVEL-X |
Keyboard | Tesoro Excalibur |
Software | Windows 10 Home 64-bit |
Benchmark Scores | Faster than the tortoise; slower than the hare. |
"CUDA cores" ~= stream processors. NVIDIA just gave them a fancy name.People think GCN is this magic wand where if you "support" GCN (whatever that means) it'll perform better. GCN is just a cluster of things that form a rasterizer unit. A bunch of shaders if you will. NVIDIA has CUDA cores, AMD has GCN. It's really JUST that.
NVIDIA hands out Titan cards left and right to developers. They develop on NVIDIA so they run best on NVIDIA. I'm not aware of AMD doing the same. If they do, it's a much smaller program and less accessible.And you think AMD doesn't do that? They have a team of engineers deployed at major engine studios providing on the field optimizations and support for best performance. This way every game also using that engine and made by 3rd party game studio also benefits from those optimizations. Custom shaders and stuff excluded of course. That needs to be done in that specific studio. You can rest assured that AMD keeps an eye on development of all major game engines like Unreal or Unigine...
Then forget NVIDIA. R9 390 has 5.1 TFLOP capability versus RX 480's 5.8 yet, R9 390 performs as well or beats RX 480 in a lot of early benchmarks. Over time, RX 480 will knock on R9 390X's 5.9 TFLOP door.Like I said. If rx 480 come close to 1070 or performance are equal that's great. RX 480 has never meant to compete with 1070. Huge applause for rx 480 if it matches or come close to 1070.
System Name | Bro2 |
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Processor | Ryzen 5800X |
Motherboard | Gigabyte X570 Aorus Elite |
Cooling | Corsair h115i pro rgb |
Memory | 16GB G.Skill Flare X 3200 CL14 @3800Mhz CL16 |
Video Card(s) | Powercolor 6900 XT Red Devil 1.1v@2400Mhz |
Storage | M.2 Samsung 970 Evo Plus 500MB/ Samsung 860 Evo 1TB |
Display(s) | LG 27UD69 UHD / LG 27GN950 |
Case | Fractal Design G |
Audio Device(s) | Realtec 5.1 |
Power Supply | Seasonic 750W GOLD |
Mouse | Logitech G402 |
Keyboard | Logitech slim |
Software | Windows 10 64 bit |
I'd even say that the RX 480 was meant for 970 since during AMD's rx release that was a mid range card. Fact is 970 are behind rx 480's now. 1060 was released to compete with rx 480 after 970 were out of production.Exactly. RX 480 was meant to compete with GTX 980 and GTX 1060. They are the direct competitors. If RX 480 can now outmatch these two and come close to GTX 1070 (even if just in some games), even though it used to be more on levels of R9 290 vanilla on day 1, that's absolutely amazing indeed.