Ryzen 5 3600 95ºC

[harm9963]

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[Zach_01]

Yes, I was thinking the same, but maybe I am not touching well because I have very restricted space for my hands, anyway I will repast it and check!

That's correct, I have two Corsair vengeance LPX DDR4 2400MHz

Ok, I thought maybe you had faster Ram but not XMP/DOCP Enabled.
But have in mind that a RAM kit of 3200~3600MHz will boost the system’s performance significantly.

BTW, 87W maximum for the package, isn't TDP 65W??

For 3000 series the total power consumption of CPUs are the following

65W TDP (3600/3700X) = 87.5W PPT
95W TDP (3600X/XT) = 125W PPT
105W TDP (3800X~3950X) = 142W PPT

TDP= Thermal Design Power
PPT= Package Power Tracking

The CPU produces heat equal to its total consumption (PPT)

AMD for TDP is taking into account the max amount of heat that would be dissipated from the CPU to the cooler under certain conditions.
Always there is some heat “escaping” through the CPU substrate to the socket and the board and not all of this energy is “moving” towards the cooler.

 

[Keullo-e]

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Expensive for just a better stock cooler. With that price you can get a tower cooler which performs better. Here in Finland you can get brand new of those AMD Prism coolers for 20EUR.

 

[Toothless]

Expensive for just a better stock cooler. With that price you can get a tower cooler which performs better. Here in Finland you can get brand new of those AMD Prism coolers for 20EUR.

Those prisms actually work though. I stuck one on a 3600x and it never got over 65c.

 

[Keullo-e]

Those prisms actually work though. I stuck one on a 3600x and it never got over 65c.

Yeah, but at 30USD it's expensive.

 

[Zach_01]

Yeah it shouldn’t be more than 20$

 

[Toothless]

Depends on where you're buying from. Sometimes you can snag one for $15.

 

[Derek12]

Thanks again
I have bough some thermal paste (Noctua NT-H2 10g). Let's see if it improves things, if not, at least I'll have for the new cooler.

Ok, I thought maybe you had faster Ram but not XMP/DOCP Enabled.
But have in mind that a RAM kit of 3200~3600MHz will boost the system’s performance significantly.


For 3000 series the total power consumption of CPUs are the following

65W TDP (3600/3700X) = 87.5W PPT
95W TDP (3600X/XT) = 125W PPT
105W TDP (3800X~3950X) = 142W PPT

TDP= Thermal Design Power
PPT= Package Power Tracking

The CPU produces heat equal to its total consumption (PPT)

AMD for TDP is taking into account the max amount of heat that would be dissipated from the CPU to the cooler under certain conditions.
Always there is some heat “escaping” through the CPU substrate to the socket and the board and not all of this energy is “moving” towards the cooler.

I though about faster RAM but it was soo expensive! Maybe in the future I will sell the current ones and get 3200MHz one, thanks for the tips and kudos for the explanation about the power consumption

Well, applied the new thermal paste and the CPU still goes to 95, although it seems to take a bit longer to reach it, plus the clock "only" seems to throttle down to upper 3.8GHz and some valley down to 3.85 (before it was mostly down to 3.80), so at least there is some progress. Thanks to that the Cinebench score increased a bit, 8676 and I think yesterday was 8300's. Also I touched the HS and it was hot (but due to restricted space I can't put my finger in a good way...

 

[thebluebumblebee]

To check whether this is an air flow problem, can you run the same test with the side off of the case and a fan blowing into the case?

 

[ixi]

First of all, guys who don't have 3600, 3600x or 3600xt. Stop telling "stock cooler, blah, blah crap".

Not so long ago did two builds one with 3600x and other with 3600xt.

On stock cooler while playing games on both of these cpu temperature is from 50-65 (depends what you play and of course settings).

On idle both (web browsing) cpu temps were from 25-40. From time to time i did see 40 tempersture because it did jump in voltage when power was needed. And voltage vent over 1.52...

When occt stress was used test temps were around 85-90 both. Which is ok.

Later on both pc used ryzen master utility auto oc options. Before this utility both cpus jumped from time to time up to 1.55v which is alot... after used auto oc. It limited voltage for x to 1.23 and xt 1.27. And temps went down from 85-90 to 74-77.

What can I add is that both these pc had "ok" cases. With three 12cm in front, top two 12cm and rear one 12cm.

Maybe both pc users just got lucky that they got "top of silicon lotery", dunno. But in short. My experience with 3600x and 3600xt.

 

[F1nnegan]

Hi
I have the stock HS fan plus two intake cases (one in front and other in the side) and one exhaust fan

And when running cinebench the CPU goes to 95ºC with all fans at full blast mode, but never beyond that, the CPU throttles down to 3.8GHz but never below that at least in a Cinebench session.

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I double checked the HS and it's tight and I've removed and installed again with same results

Is it normal? I have seen mixed responses all over the internet, some say yes with the stock fan, and some say no, because 95 is the max temperature, and I'm so confused.

PD: Idle temps are around 40-50c
Many thanks

By the looks of it your motherboard and other components aren't stressing out whatsoever so it might just be bad paste or maybe even plastic film left on your cooler!

 

[Derek12]

To check whether this is an air flow problem, can you run the same test with the side off of the case and a fan blowing into the case?

I tried only taking the side off as I don't have a fan, and temps were a bit lower, about 87, but in the side I have a 12mm fan blowing almost into the CPU (it's a bit lower, so it also cools the video card, which is a good idea because it almost touches the bottom of the case, but it never goes above 70 at full...)

By the looks of it your motherboard and other components aren't stressing out whatsoever so it might just be bad paste or maybe even plastic film left on your cooler!

The cooler had preapplied thermal paste (which I cleaned off today) and no plastic whatsoever on it or the CPU

 

[thebluebumblebee]

What can I add is that both these pc had "ok" cases. With three 12cm in front, top two 12cm and rear one 12cm.

Op has an 80mm exhaust fan, and the PSU.

 

[freeagent]

First of all, guys who don't have 3600, 3600x or 3600xt. Stop telling "stock cooler, blah, blah crap".

Not so long ago did two builds one with 3600x and other with 3600xt.

On stock cooler while playing games on both of these cpu temperature is from 50-65 (depends what you play and of course settings).

On idle both (web browsing) cpu temps were from 25-40. From time to time i did see 40 tempersture because it did jump in voltage when power was needed. And voltage vent over 1.52...

When occt stress was used test temps were around 85-90 both. Which is ok.

Later on both pc used ryzen master utility auto oc options. Before this utility both cpus jumped from time to time up to 1.55v which is alot... after used auto oc. It limited voltage for x to 1.23 and xt 1.27. And temps went down from 85-90 to 74-77.

What can I add is that both these pc had "ok" cases. With three 12cm in front, top two 12cm and rear one 12cm.

Maybe both pc users just got lucky that they got "top of silicon lotery", dunno. But in short. My experience with 3600x and 3600xt.

I do have a 3600XT and I did use the stock cooler for 1 month. It wasn't horrible. It worked. My loads were at 80c ish running something hard. No overclock though. It normally ran between 4300-4600MHz. The lower being under a hard load, sometimes 4250 with AVX.

90c is not what I would call a fantastic temperature.. I would call that 5c away from the top of the scale. But yeah, if you aren't doing anything with it, it does run pretty cool. Even cooler since I took over the overclocking side of things and got a mount for my cooler, also no need to stab it with over 1.5v anymore since it pretty much tops out with 1.337v. Not all of my cores can do 4600 and like it so no point in hammering it with voltage.

 

[thebluebumblebee]

I tried only taking the side off as I don't have a fan, and temps were a bit lower, about 87

That's actually huge. Dropping 8° is huge, especially when all you did was to open the side of the case. You need a better case.

 

[DR4G00N]

First of all, guys who don't have 3600, 3600x or 3600xt. Stop telling "stock cooler, blah, blah crap".

Not so long ago did two builds one with 3600x and other with 3600xt.

On stock cooler while playing games on both of these cpu temperature is from 50-65 (depends what you play and of course settings).

On idle both (web browsing) cpu temps were from 25-40. From time to time i did see 40 tempersture because it did jump in voltage when power was needed. And voltage vent over 1.52...

When occt stress was used test temps were around 85-90 both. Which is ok.

Later on both pc used ryzen master utility auto oc options. Before this utility both cpus jumped from time to time up to 1.55v which is alot... after used auto oc. It limited voltage for x to 1.23 and xt 1.27. And temps went down from 85-90 to 74-77.

What can I add is that both these pc had "ok" cases. With three 12cm in front, top two 12cm and rear one 12cm.

Maybe both pc users just got lucky that they got "top of silicon lotery", dunno. But in short. My experience with 3600x and 3600xt.

The 3600X & XT come with the Wraith Spire which is not actually bad at all. The problem is that the 3600 comes with the Wraith Stealth which is about half the size (about the same size as an Intel Celeron/Pentium stock cooler). Even the 3400G which is a quad-core comes with the Spire cooler.

 

[Apocalypsee]

The 3600X & XT come with the Wraith Spire which is not actually bad at all. The problem is that the 3600 comes with the Wraith Stealth which is about half the size (about the same size as an Intel Celeron/Pentium stock cooler). Even the 3400G which is a quad-core comes with the Spire cooler.

Indeed. Wratih Stealth sucks so bad, the only thing you can do with it is disable Turbo and it will run at manageable temperature. How bad is it/ I replace it with Arctic Freezer 64 Pro that was meant to cool Athlon 64 and it runs the 3600 just fine with Turbo enabled

 

[Mussels]

Wraith stealth is indeed pretty crap, but it should have no issues on a low heat 3600 outside of major stress test programs

Derek can you show (Clear!) photos of your system and its fans, so we can see why taking the side panel off made such a huge temp difference?

 

[thebluebumblebee]

why taking the side panel off made such a huge temp difference?

His case only has an 80 CM mm exhaust fan and then the PSU, a Seasonic M12II-520 EVO, runs on silent mode until 50% load, so it doesn't spin up to help remove the heat either. I've always said that an 80 cm mm fan moves as much air as a sneezing gnat.

Seems that I recall that we had someone else who had a 3600 that just ran HOT.

 

[Zach_01]

What can you say about a cooler when it’s fan shroud is thicker than the actual cooler...





@Derek12 if you don’t have a big fan for open case testing, you can use a hairdryer on high speed blowing cold air to the CPU cooler directly (to the side, not on fan)

 

[Keullo-e]

His case only has an 80 CM exhaust fan and then the PSU, a Seasonic M12II-520 EVO, runs on silent mode until 50% load, so it doesn't spin up to help remove the heat either. I've always said that an 80 cm fan moves as much air as a sneezing gnat.

Seems that I recall that we had someone else who had a 3600 that just ran HOT.

A 80cm fan would IMO move air pretty much.. I know you meant 80mm but I just had to.

 

[freeagent]

Its as tall as the screw wtf lol..

Looks like the same fan though. Nice and quiet at 3500RPM, I thought it would have been louder

 

[Mussels]

with correct thermal paste at stock settings, i'd be expecting a high of 80C, 95C sounds like the paste or mounting is wrong, or its ABSOLUTELY choked of all fresh air (or the fans are oriented backwards, etc)

 

[Derek12]

Thanks for the replies
I will try to post a photo of the system later

His case only has an 80 CM mm exhaust fan and then the PSU, a Seasonic M12II-520 EVO, runs on silent mode until 50% load, so it doesn't spin up to help remove the heat either. I've always said that an 80 cm mm fan moves as much air as a sneezing gnat.

Seems that I recall that we had someone else who had a 3600 that just ran HOT.

I didn't know about that feature about 50% load, I've always thought the fan speed was controlled by just temp... but I saw the specs and you're right, I've got the PSU 5-6 years ago...

I've saw several people on the internet with Ryzen 5 3600 running at 95ºC!

Its as tall as the screw wtf lol..

Looks like the same fan though. Nice and quiet at 3500RPM, I thought it would have been louder

the RPMs max out at 2500 here, seems to be the max speed for WS, and yes it's relatively silent, the intel stock one was louder but it reached that 3500 RPM figure.

with correct thermal paste at stock settings, I'd be expecting a high of 80C, 95C sounds like the paste or mounting is wrong, or its ABSOLUTELY choked of all fresh air (or the fans are oriented backwards, etc)

I've remounted it several times, made sure the four screws are tight until I couldn't turn them any more with normal force, I replaced the thermal paste with the correct amount (as stated that improved things a bit), and I've an intake 120mm fan just about in front of it, whose speed is controlled by CPU temp, so it should get enough fresh air from outside when hot. The fans are now oriented correctly, it's true I've mounted the exhaust fan backwards the first time, but I've fixed that before I made this thread

What can you say about a cooler when it’s fan shroud is thicker than the actual cooler...

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@Derek12 if you don’t have a big fan for open case testing, you can use a hairdryer on high speed blowing cold air to the CPU cooler directly (to the side, not on fan)

will try that, but even without it dropped significantly!, but I will try to run a full session of CB this time (although the max temp is reached about 0,5 mins with the case closed)

Indeed. Wratih Stealth sucks so bad, the only thing you can do with it is disable Turbo and it will run at manageable temperature. How bad is it/ I replace it with Arctic Freezer 64 Pro that was meant to cool Athlon 64 and it runs the 3600 just fine with Turbo enabled

I tried disabling core performance boost, and the temps reached 80º at full.

Maybe I will get a new HS that fits in my case, and if it's still hot, then a new case (that fits in the desk space)...

Another thing, is it possible to reduce idle clock further? Hwinfo says the minimum is 500MHz but even in power saving mode and minimum clock at 0 or 1% it only gets to 2100... it consumes about 20W in idle with its temps at 40's, while the i3 6100 consumed 1-2W and temps were basically ambient's (it's true the R5 is in order of magnitudes more powerful than the i3 but I would like to reduce that power consumption...

 

[Apocalypsee]

I tried disabling core performance boost, and the temps reached 80º at full.

Maybe I will get a new HS that fits in my case, and if it's still hot, then a new case (that fits in the desk space)...

Another thing, is it possible to reduce idle clock further? Hwinfo says the minimum is 500MHz but even in power saving mode and minimum clock at 0 or 1% it only gets to 2100... it consumes about 20W in idle with its temps at 40's, while the i3 6100 consumed 1-2W and temps were basically ambient's (it's true the R5 is in order of magnitudes more powerful than the i3 but I would like to reduce that power consumption...

You don't need to disable core performance boost because PBO will still make it boost (If Im not Mistaken). The thing you need to do is to go to Windows Power Plan and set 'Maximum CPU state' to 99% that will disable boost. For idle you set the 'Minimum CPU state' to 0% that will make it idle as long as there is no background process taking your CPU cycle.