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Ryzen 5 PRO 2400ge trouble sustaining gaming performance using Vega 11 gpu

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I have this cpu in my budget gaming pc but I hit a wall when it came to real world performance. It crashes and struggles to perform well under low settings. I have a Scythe Fuma 2 cooler 8gb ddr4 ram at 2400 (2933mhz) mhz, gigabyte motherboard for AM4 (latest software/bios) and 400w psu bronze rated. I raised the virtual memory to 5gb-6gb, but it can't sustain games for a few seconds or 5 minutes. Primary storage is an ssd and secondary is a hdd. Is this integrated gpu, Vega 11, just not that powerful for gaming? I have the chipset drivers and set AMD to gaming mode. cpu specs
I tried Fortnite, Genshin Impact, and War Thunder on low settings and recommended settings. Fortnite crashed loading boot screen, Genshin would refuse to load past the play button, and War Thunder would work for a few minutes before having a "Fatal Error".
I thought Ryzen 5 cpus were going to work great because their integrated gpus are more powerful on paper compared to their intel counterparts.
 
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Be specific about the motherboard, power supply, ram.
 
I have this cpu in my budget gaming pc but I hit a wall when it came to real world performance. It crashes and struggles to perform well under low settings. I have a Scythe Fuma 2 cooler 8gb ddr4 ram at 2400 mhz, gigabyte motherboard for AM4 (latest software/bios) and 400w psu bronze rated. I raised the virtual memory to 5gb-6gb, but it can't sustain games for a few seconds or 5 minutes. Primary storage is an ssd and secondary is a hdd. Is this integrated gpu, Vega 11, just not that powerful for gaming? I have the chipset drivers and set AMD to gaming mode. cpu specs
I tried Fortnite, Genshin Impact, and War Thunder on low settings and recommended settings. Fortnite crashed loading boot screen, Genshin would refuse to load past the play button, and War Thunder would work for a few minutes before having a "Fatal Error".
I thought Ryzen 5 cpus were going to work great because their integrated gpus are more powerful on paper compared to their intel counterparts.

The problem is that you are trying to use 8 GB of RAM (and slow RAM at that!) to satisfy Windows, your applications, the game's AND video memory requirements. Increasing the page file size will not do anything for you here, you are trying to do the impossible. Buy more RAM or give up. Even 16 GB is not enough for what you want to do.

If you are on a budget or have space constraints due to form factor, buy a cheap 32 GB RAM kit if you mean to play games on the integrated graphics, or 16 GB + an RX 6400. Even then, given it is a energy efficient version of Zen+ and older generation Vega graphics with lower clock speed, assuming you want to play at 1080p with a steady 60 fps, your experience in these games will not be fantastic, you are just demanding too much out of the system by trying to run games like Fortnite and War Thunder. I don't think even Genshin will run all that well, but it is definitely the easiest to run out of those you mentioned. The RX 6400 would solve that problem though.
 
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Be specific about the motherboard, power supply, ram.
I will be sure to provide these details tomorrow. I will try to provide as much information I can about these specific parts. Thanks. The desktop in question is pretty heavy.

The problem is that you are trying to use 8 GB of RAM (and slow RAM at that!) to satisfy Windows, your applications, the game's AND video memory requirements. Increasing the page file size will not do anything for you here, you are trying to do the impossible. Buy more RAM or give up. Even 16 GB is not enough for what you want to do.

If you are on a budget or have space constraints due to form factor, buy a cheap 32 GB RAM kit if you mean to play games on the integrated graphics, or 16 GB + an RX 6400. Even then, given it is a energy efficient version of Zen+ and older generation Vega graphics with lower clock speed, assuming you want to play at 1080p with a steady 60 fps, your experience in these games will not be fantastic, you are just demanding too much out of the system by trying to run games like Fortnite and War Thunder. I don't think even Genshin will run all that well, but it is definitely the easiest to run out of those you mentioned. The RX 6400 would solve that problem though.
I thought about this, but I didn't think slow RAM made much of a difference. I am a new to the pc games; this is the first time ever that I try playing these games and the jump from office graphics to gaming graphics is pretty high. I will think about upgrading the ram to 3200mhz ddr4. The current cooler is a hassle to remove, so I will think carefully about this ram upgrade.
I was aware that the TDP of the cpu was low, around 35w, but I was thinking of keeping it low to satisfy the 400w psu I had on hand and the possible upgrade of a GTX 1050 2gb Gigabyte model gpu (used). I do not mind playing games at the lowest graphics, but if there are artifacts or severe graphical glitches, I will consider upgrading my hardware. I sure wish I had waited to get a new RX 6400 before buying a used gtx 1050 2gb card for $100 USD on ebay. I hope it works when it arrives, it looked kind of dusty. This is my second pc build but I would have to say the previous one was way smoother than this one.
 
I thought about this, but I didn't think slow RAM made much of a difference.

Slow RAM will torpedo Vega 6/7/8/10/11 performance, without fail. If that 8GB is just on one DIMM, you can forget about gaming at all. For the average iGPU user, bandwidth is king. Dual channel 4400 is somewhere around 70GB/s theoretical. Dual channel 3200 is like 50GB/s. A single stick, single channel of 8GB DDR4-2400 is like 19GB/s theoretical bandwidth.........you do the math.

However, the crashing is not normal and not down to Vega 11 being slow.

For optimal iGPU gaming I run DDR4-4333 and 4400 on Ryzen 4000/5000G; on 2400GE, you should still be able to do somewhere between DDR4-3200 to 3600 depending on the kit you have.

Genshin is 99% of what my small APU rig is for. On low/medium settings, it still takes me 4333CL16 and a 2300MHz iGPU core to sustain 60fps at 1080p, and Dragonspine as well as Liyue/Inazuma nighttime main street will never be above 45fps on Vega iGPU, period. Shadows setting is Vega iGPU's worst enemy in Genshin.

Genshin isn't particularly CPU-bound, but as for any more demanding games (War Thunder) the 2400GE isn't a very strong CPU.

Vega 11 isn't weak - it's not too far off the newer gen Vega 7/8. But it is still an iGPU. A stock Vega 8 is GTX 1030-level performance, or a well-tuned Vega 8 approaches GTX 1050 performance, but again it's an iGPU - there are titles in which Radeon iGPUs are poorly optimized, or it will just get slaughtered for no other reason than it being an iGPU. A RX6400 or 1050 will provide much more consistent and accessible performance, especially if you aren't on Ryzen 4000/5000, or spending the time to tweak your iGPU properly.
 
Slow RAM will torpedo Vega 6/7/8/10/11 performance, without fail. If that 8GB is just on one DIMM, you can forget about gaming at all. For the average iGPU user, bandwidth is king. Dual channel 4400 is somewhere around 70GB/s theoretical. Dual channel 3200 is like 50GB/s. A single stick, single channel of 8GB DDR4-2400 is like 19GB/s theoretical bandwidth.........you do the math.

However, the crashing is not normal and not down to Vega 11 being slow.

For optimal iGPU gaming I run DDR4-4333 and 4400 on Ryzen 4000/5000G; on 2400GE, you should still be able to do somewhere between DDR4-3200 to 3600 depending on the kit you have.

Genshin is 99% of what my small APU rig is for. On low/medium settings, it still takes me 4333CL16 and a 2300MHz iGPU core to sustain 60fps at 1080p, and Dragonspine as well as Liyue/Inazuma nighttime main street will never be above 45fps on Vega iGPU, period. Shadows setting is Vega iGPU's worst enemy in Genshin.

Genshin isn't particularly CPU-bound, but as for any more demanding games (War Thunder) the 2400GE isn't a very strong CPU.

Vega 11 isn't weak - it's not too far off the newer gen Vega 7/8. But it is still an iGPU. A stock Vega 8 is GTX 1030-level performance, or a well-tuned Vega 8 approaches GTX 1050 performance, but again it's an iGPU - there are titles in which Radeon iGPUs are poorly optimized, or it will just get slaughtered for no other reason than it being an iGPU. A RX6400 or 1050 will provide much more consistent and accessible performance, especially if you aren't on Ryzen 4000/5000, or spending the time to tweak your iGPU properly.

Crashing is most likely due to it running out of memory, especially with the symptoms given (game runs for a while and goes kaput). But agreed, my earlier suggestion of more over faster RAM was considering a budget, but honestly, in OPs situation it really sounds like the best course of action is to get an RX 6400 and complete the 16 GB of RAM.

I thought about this, but I didn't think slow RAM made much of a difference. I am a new to the pc games; this is the first time ever that I try playing these games and the jump from office graphics to gaming graphics is pretty high. I will think about upgrading the ram to 3200mhz ddr4. The current cooler is a hassle to remove, so I will think carefully about this ram upgrade.
I was aware that the TDP of the cpu was low, around 35w, but I was thinking of keeping it low to satisfy the 400w psu I had on hand and the possible upgrade of a GTX 1050 2gb Gigabyte model gpu (used). I do not mind playing games at the lowest graphics, but if there are artifacts or severe graphical glitches, I will consider upgrading my hardware. I sure wish I had waited to get a new RX 6400 before buying a used gtx 1050 2gb card for $100 USD on ebay. I hope it works when it arrives, it looked kind of dusty. This is my second pc build but I would have to say the previous one was way smoother than this one.

Hm, you went with a 2 GB 1050? Well, provided it's not a fake card (this segment is very high risk), it should alleviate your memory issue a bit, but you should still consider just reselling that thing or cancelling the order and buying a 6400. Send it back, get a refund, grab a 6400... it will really be the best thing to do IMO. 16 GB RAM at around 3000-3200 MHz plus the 6400 is as good an entry level gaming rig as any.
 
For Ryzen 5 2400GE DDR4-2933 at 1.2V JDEC timing is optimal. So if you want to get new RAM get 1.2V DDR4-2933 or DDR-3200.

If your current RAM is 1 stick of 8GiB get a another 8GiB of same speed and timing if you can get. Check your pc parts are faulty or not. You can check RAM byrunning Memtest64, which you can find on the download section of this website. Faulty RAM can produce fatal system error. 8GiB RAM is fine, as long as you dont run unnecessary app at startup and in background.
 
I thought Ryzen 5 cpus were going to work great because their integrated gpus are more powerful on paper compared to their intel counterparts.
8GB single channel RAM?

 
I think everyones covered this quite well

Onboard graphics uses more RAM than a regular system - because it's taking RAM away from games, programs and the OS.
8GB is not enough for on APU/IGP, on a gaming system. You'll get stuttering and hitching at best, crashes at worst - many programs and games simply cannot handle the slow speed of a page file.

Single channel RAM will absolutely cripple any onboard graphics 3D performance - they're starved as it is, and halving what little performance they have, is going to hurt a lot.


The 2400GE was never designed as a gaming part - it's an office part.
Even at launch they could only really handle 720p gaming in some titles and that's WITH an optimised RAM setup (dual channel, 2400-2933)

Remember that the GE is a power reduced version of the G - that drop from 65W to 35W reduces a lot of performance.
 
Be specific about the motherboard, power supply, ram.
Here are the specifications of my system, as requested along with some pictures. Pardon if the picture quality is not too clear. Thanks.
Motherboard: Gigabyte B450M DS3H WIFI
Cpu: Ryzen 5 PRO 2400ge 3.2 Ghz base clock / Vega 11 integrated Graphics
Ram: 8gb Lenovo brand ddr4 2933 Mhz in slot 1 of motherboard (that is how it shows up in task manager) May have a defect because it is actually a 3200Mhz ram stick, hard to tell.
Psu: FSP Lenovo Brand 400w 80 plus gold model no. FSP400-60AGBAK
Dedicated Graphics: none
Cpu Cooler: Scythe Fuma 2 Cooler
Thermal Paste: MX-4 Arctic Brand
Hdd: Western Digital Blue 7200rpm 1TB
SSD: Hyundai 120GB ssd
Tower: DIYPC Mid Tower
 

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The cooler is definitely ample

Since you are only running 1 Ram stick you are actually limiting the Zen CPUs performance.

Also try to enable xmp 3200 on it in the bios.

I would say buy a Set of Crucial Ballistix, Mushkin Black/Redline, Gskill Rip Jaws 16GB or larger dual channel kit 3200-3600.
 
The problem is that you are trying to use 8 GB of RAM (and slow RAM at that!) to satisfy Windows, your applications, the game's AND video memory requirements. Increasing the page file size will not do anything for you here, you are trying to do the impossible. Buy more RAM or give up. Even 16 GB is not enough for what you want to do.

If you are on a budget or have space constraints due to form factor, buy a cheap 32 GB RAM kit if you mean to play games on the integrated graphics, or 16 GB + an RX 6400. Even then, given it is a energy efficient version of Zen+ and older generation Vega graphics with lower clock speed, assuming you want to play at 1080p with a steady 60 fps, your experience in these games will not be fantastic, you are just demanding too much out of the system by trying to run games like Fortnite and War Thunder. I don't think even Genshin will run all that well, but it is definitely the easiest to run out of those you mentioned. The RX 6400 would solve that problem though.
I am attempting to play these games again using windows 10 because I previously had windows 11. So far Genshin Impact and War Thunder are working well and not crashing in the lowest settings and using the same specifications as before. I am thinking either window 11 was the problem, or a bad install of windows. I had all the same drivers installed as before, all up to date. I will provide screenshot of the FPS of each game. In War Thunder I am getting 50-100 FPS on the lowest settings available (minimum settings for graphics). Resolution is 1920 x 1080. Same resolution in Genshin Impact and at Low settings for graphics. I am very impressed by the performance considering the cpu and ram are not that powerful, currently. I cannot test Fortnite at this time due to how long it would take to download using wireless Wi-Fi versus a wired connection. I got ahead of myself and bought some graphics cards I will not be using, the GTX 1050 2GB Gigabyte gpu, for example. Any ideas what to do with it because I don't really need it. I also have a NVS 315 1gb Nvidia gpu I thought was broken but I plugged it in yesterday and it works. I also am in the process of fixing a Fake GTX 1050 ti, I won't be using it either. Thanks.

I am attempting to play these games again using windows 10 because I previously had windows 11. So far Genshin Impact and War Thunder are working well and not crashing in the lowest settings and using the same specifications as before. I am thinking either window 11 was the problem, or a bad install of windows. I had all the same drivers installed as before, all up to date. I will provide screenshot of the FPS of each game. In War Thunder I am getting 50-100 FPS on the lowest settings available (minimum settings for graphics). Resolution is 1920 x 1080. Same resolution in Genshin Impact and at Low settings for graphics. I am very impressed by the performance considering the cpu and ram are not that powerful, currently. I cannot test Fortnite at this time due to how long it would take to download using wireless Wi-Fi versus a wired connection. I got ahead of myself and bought some graphics cards I will not be using, the GTX 1050 2GB Gigabyte gpu, for example. Any ideas what to do with it because I don't really need it. I also have a NVS 315 1gb Nvidia gpu I thought was broken but I plugged it in yesterday and it works. I also am in the process of fixing a Fake GTX 1050 ti, I won't be using it either. Thanks.
Current page file size is the same as when I had windows 11, initial 4048mb and maximum size 6048.

The cooler is definitely ample

Since you are only running 1 Ram stick you are actually limiting the Zen CPUs performance.

Also try to enable xmp 3200 on it in the bios.

I would say buy a Set of Crucial Ballistix, Mushkin Black/Redline, Gskill Rip Jaws 16GB or larger dual channel kit 3200-3600.
I am not certain what to make of the BIOS reading for memory, here is a picture. I do not see an option to enable xmp 3200 in the bios. The bios does not let me change any memory settings, at least as I can see.
I would like to upgrade the ram with 3200mhz but the budget is a little tight at the moment. I will see if I can cancel or sell the gpu I got from ebay. There is no return option. These are good option brands I will consider buying if things go well. Thanks.

However, the crashing is not normal and not down to Vega 11 being slow.
I was able to solve this by installing windows 10 and uninstalling windows 11 using a usb flash drive. So far, the integrated gpu in the ryzen 5 cpu is working really well, well above or at 30fps for war thunder and genshin impact. I hope the virtual ram/page file from windows provides some help at around 4gb-6gb.

For Ryzen 5 2400GE DDR4-2933 at 1.2V JDEC timing is optimal. So if you want to get new RAM get 1.2V DDR4-2933 or DDR-3200.

If your current RAM is 1 stick of 8GiB get a another 8GiB of same speed and timing if you can get. Check your pc parts are faulty or not. You can check RAM byrunning Memtest64, which you can find on the download section of this website. Faulty RAM can produce fatal system error. 8GiB RAM is fine, as long as you dont run unnecessary app at startup and in background.
I will do this now; I will update how this goes. I don't think I will get this exact brand of ram from Lenovo because I checked their website, and it is pretty expensive, around $84.99 for one 3200MHZ stick. I only run one program at a time, so this helps with memory and cpu management.

8GB single channel RAM?

Was able to get stable performance (no crashing) after installing windows 10. Windows 11 resulted in excessive crashing and errors on all games tested, genshin impact, fornite, and war thunder. The only game that would load for a few minutes was war thunder and fps was 44 fps using the integrated vega 11 graphics. Now, with windows 10, I am getting full 30fps and up to 100fps. I know one stick of 8gb ddr4 ram at 2933mhz is not the ideal amount for gaming, but it was the only stick I had on hand. Thanks for this video though.

I think everyones covered this quite well

Onboard graphics uses more RAM than a regular system - because it's taking RAM away from games, programs and the OS.
8GB is not enough for on APU/IGP, on a gaming system. You'll get stuttering and hitching at best, crashes at worst - many programs and games simply cannot handle the slow speed of a page file.

Single channel RAM will absolutely cripple any onboard graphics 3D performance - they're starved as it is, and halving what little performance they have, is going to hurt a lot.


The 2400GE was never designed as a gaming part - it's an office part.
Even at launch they could only really handle 720p gaming in some titles and that's WITH an optimised RAM setup (dual channel, 2400-2933)

Remember that the GE is a power reduced version of the G - that drop from 65W to 35W reduces a lot of performance.
I was unaware of this. I really got lucky that my ram stick was optimized, 2933mhz. I thought it was a 3200mhz stick but I suppose it is not. I am using the lowest of settings in most of the games I tested. I haven't gotten noticeable stuttering or hitching, it is smooth. The only thing I see are textures are slow to load sometimes, but not that bad. A second or less to load fully in the distance. I wish I was aware that the 2400ge ryzen 5 pro chip was an office chip. I paid $70 though, versus for a better newer ryzen series.

For Ryzen 5 2400GE DDR4-2933 at 1.2V JDEC timing is optimal. So if you want to get new RAM get 1.2V DDR4-2933 or DDR-3200.

If your current RAM is 1 stick of 8GiB get a another 8GiB of same speed and timing if you can get. Check your pc parts are faulty or not. You can check RAM byrunning Memtest64, which you can find on the download section of this website. Faulty RAM can produce fatal system error. 8GiB RAM is fine, as long as you dont run unnecessary app at startup and in background.
Picture of the memory test with the recommended program. 10 loops to ensure no errors. Everything is working on this ram stick. Thanks.

Crashing is most likely due to it running out of memory, especially with the symptoms given (game runs for a while and goes kaput). But agreed, my earlier suggestion of more over faster RAM was considering a budget, but honestly, in OPs situation it really sounds like the best course of action is to get an RX 6400 and complete the 16 GB of RAM.



Hm, you went with a 2 GB 1050? Well, provided it's not a fake card (this segment is very high risk), it should alleviate your memory issue a bit, but you should still consider just reselling that thing or cancelling the order and buying a 6400. Send it back, get a refund, grab a 6400... it will really be the best thing to do IMO. 16 GB RAM at around 3000-3200 MHz plus the 6400 is as good an entry level gaming rig as any.
I will try canceling today, I don't think I will be lucky though. The listing says no returns. I bought this card a day before this post, unfortunately. I would consider reselling after cleaning the dusty card and applying thermal paste. Testing it is a must. That $100 would have been well spent on 16GB ram and a 6400 gpu.

Crashing is most likely due to it running out of memory, especially with the symptoms given (game runs for a while and goes kaput). But agreed, my earlier suggestion of more over faster RAM was considering a budget, but honestly, in OPs situation it really sounds like the best course of action is to get an RX 6400 and complete the 16 GB of RAM.



Hm, you went with a 2 GB 1050? Well, provided it's not a fake card (this segment is very high risk), it should alleviate your memory issue a bit, but you should still consider just reselling that thing or cancelling the order and buying a 6400. Send it back, get a refund, grab a 6400... it will really be the best thing to do IMO. 16 GB RAM at around 3000-3200 MHz plus the 6400 is as good an entry level gaming rig as any.
UPDATE: I was able to get a refund for the gpu and cancel the order. Thanks. I will review the recommended parts in this post.
 

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Your RAM stick is likely 3200 - doesnt mean the CPU can run it at that speed.
It's running 2933 because it's the fastest the CPU can do.

You definitely want another stick of RAM, you need the MHz*, voltage and timings to match or it may not be stable if you dont buy a new 2x8GB kit.

*MHz is the most flexible one, as they can both run at the speed of the slowest stick, but voltages must match and timings may take effort to get stable if they dont match.

Your memory screenshot above shows its set to 3200 and 1.2v, but doesnt show if you enabled XMP on the previous BIOS screen. XMP is a requirement unless you set EVERY RAM setting manually.
 
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