Ryzen Owners: Is Alder Lake tempting enough to switch to Intel?

[phanbuey]

And you paid $200 for what should've been a $120 motherboard

I would love if this motherboard with 4x PCIE nvme slots, proper VRMs and PCIE 5 was $120, but we don't live in that world anymore... X570's are all mostly $200 except the real garbo ones. Next AMD socket won't be cheap either.

 

[zldzkd]

alder lake its fuxking gabage

 

[TheLostSwede]

I would love if this motherboard with 4x PCIE nvme slots, proper VRMs and PCIE 5 was $120, but we don't live in that world anymore... X570's are all mostly $200 except the real garbo ones. Next AMD socket won't be cheap either.

You're aware that slots are the cheap parts, right?
Yes, PCIe 5.0 does add $2-3 to the board cost, not $20-30.

Proper VRMs are arguable, but it's clearly good enough for your CPU.

Not saying it's a bad platform by any means, just very pricey for features that are unlikely to bring any benefit for a couple of years.

 

[Deleted member 215115]

You're aware that slots are the cheap parts, right?
Yes, PCIe 5.0 does add $2-3 to the board cost, not $20-30.

Proper VRMs are arguable, but it's clearly good enough for your CPU.

Not saying it's a bad platform by any means, just very pricey for features that are unlikely to bring any benefit for a couple of years.

I agree, though this is nothing new. Intel has always been more expensive due to motherboard prices. Here in Europe at least.

 

[phanbuey]

You're aware that slots are the cheap parts, right?
Yes, PCIe 5.0 does add $2-3 to the board cost, not $20-30.

Proper VRMs are arguable, but it's clearly good enough for your CPU.

Not saying it's a bad platform by any means, just very pricey for features that are unlikely to bring any benefit for a couple of years.

I'm sure the sand and plastic it took to make the board cost no more than $15 total, if that.

It is pricey for the features -- but there's also not a x570 out there with 3 NVME PCIE 4.0, 1 PCIE 3.0 slots and 14 phase power for under $200 - or a B550 for that matter. It's not a massive ripoff when you consider current market. It should be ~$150 but for bleeding edge tech it's still not a terrible deal.

The whole package is equivalent to a 5800x+B550 / X570 but with more performance.

 

[Metroid]

No, too much power x zen 3, not worth selling my 5900x and purchasing a 12900, plus, 12900k motherboards where I live are around 400 usd and ryzen gen3 motherborads are around 100 usd, plus ddr5 16gb are around 400 usd, ddr4 16gb are around 150 usd. If I had a ryzen gen 1 or 2, I would think of getting a 5600x right now.

 

[Makaveli]

No point.

I started life on AM4 at x570 with a 3800X now on a 5800X which will be replaced by a v-cache model next year. All of that on the same board and windows install. Not worth the effort to do a whole new build just go to ADL-S which is just abit faster. I will skip that and look at DDR5 platform in 2024/25 then decide what my next move will be at that point.

I also went rx 580 to 6800XT this year so that v-cache model will probably be the last thing I upgrade in this system for awhile.

 

[Dux]

Well I'm on ZEN 3 so really no need to go on changing platforms just for a handfull of fps in games. If my current plan doesn't change, I will not upgrade CPU until ZEN 5 comes out. Or whatever might be best price/performance at the time. But I'm a grave drinker and doctor said my liver is fcuked, so me thinking I'll be around for ZEN 5 is optimistic. Cheers!

 

[tygrus]

If I want an upgrade from my Ryzen 3700X B550, I could buy the Ryzen 5900X or 5950X and not have to buy anything else. I could still upgrade the HSF & RAM (or add 2 of the same to double capacity) but I still don't need to waste money like I would moving to a whole new Intel Volcano Lake DDR5 system (Upto 2x heat, new OS, SW incompatibility). GPU would have more impact on gaming (which I haven't done on PC for many years).

 

[lexluthermiester]

I started life on AM4 at x570 with a 3800X now on a 5800X which will be replaced by a v-cache model next year.

Sorry mate, AMD has yet to officially confirm the VCache models for AM4. Don't count on it.

 

[Deleted member 212040]

My 5900X is fine, and will be until at least 2025, thanks. Alder Lake doesn't impress me in the slightest after looking at that power consumption. They need to start competing without 3x the power consumption.

 

[Makaveli]

Sorry mate, AMD has yet to officially confirm the VCache models for AM4. Don't count on it.

I'm 99% sure its coming and I will own one in Q1 of 2022

 

[lexluthermiester]

My 5900X is fine, and will be until at least 2025, thanks. Alder Lake doesn't impress me in the slightest after looking at that power consumption. They need to start competing without 3x the power consumption.

That is only the 12900k and only when overclocking, the 12700k and lower models do not have that power level usage. AlderLake on stock speeds and power is on the same level the 5900x in power usage.

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Now I'm not saying you have to upgrade, because the 5900x a champ and there's no real reason for anyone to move from a 5900X to AlderLake. Only suggesting you keep a realistic perspective.

I'm 99% sure its coming and I will own one in Q1 of 2022

Citation please. AMD has given no indication they are doing anything but moving to AM5.

 

[Makaveli]

Citation please. AMD has given no indication they are doing anything but moving to AM5.

Zen 4 will be the first cpu released on AM5 and that is not coming out until the end of 2022.

They will not go the whole year without a refresh on the market. We should see something at CES 2022 and you don't have to take my word for it we are not that far off just wait.

 

[Deleted member 212040]

I'll be impressed with Intel's architectures once they stop pushing the hell out of their top of the line chip in everything just to be the best in Cinebench. 12600K is the only good CPU in this entire lineup, I expected more.

 

[lexluthermiester]

I'll be impressed with Intel's architectures once they stop pushing the hell out of their top of the line chip in everything just to be the best in Cinebench. 12600K is the only good CPU in this entire lineup, I expected more.

While I see your point, I disagree. The 12700k seems the best balance of price/performance.

 

[phanbuey]

If you have the cooling and don't really want to tinker too much the 12700K is awesome, if you want a fun chip to play with 12600K seems much more OCable - OC'd 3 12600K's so far, and 2 12700Ks and... man what a difference - each 12600K had no issues hitting 5.1-5.3 getting a 12700K above 5.0 is a bit like seeing how much energy one can pump out of Chrenobyl. Just leave it alone and pump ring and ram, maybe go all core on the boost or up the boost multiplier - still the stock 12700k is a monster.

The 12600Ks remind me of the E8500's a bit - 25%-35% uplift in performance from a full (core/ring/ram) OC is pretty sweet.

The more I play with CPUs the more I lean towards the 5600x/8700k/12600k series. The midrange parts just seem to run better from both companies.

 

[seth1911]

I dont have now any CPU thats newer than 2013, i sold all after that year.

The reason is simply all AMD CPU/APU since Kaveri and Zen1 have the AMD PSP (secure processor, similar to Intels Managment Engine).
I dont trust them after a the latest reports, Amd PSP or Intel ME anyways.

The max highend ill use in the future for my Personal Computer will be a FX 9590

here's some reasons...

- all stuff open, ide's running, vm dev env running, 50+ tabs in browser windows and steam in the background:


It's fast... really fast. And cool. And cheap. I haven't even turned off core parking yet.

MHM i dont see the point a Celeron 847 with 8 Gigs of RAM can too handle 50 Tabs in a Browser

 

[Deleted member 24505]

Well i am switching. I am being gifted a 12700k and a asus Rog Strix Z690-A gaming wi-fi D4 board. It is a massive improvement on what i have now, and will probably do me for a couple of years, then can maybe switch to a DDR5 board when its more available/cheaper.

 

[Sithaer]

I'm somewhat interested in their more affordable models like the 12400 or maybe even the i 3 but it also depends on the B/H mobo pricing since I don't really pay more than 140$ for a mobo.
Otherwise I'm still okay with my 1600x since I don't do competitive gaming nor high refresh but in certain not so well optimized games I could use a IPC/Single thread upgrade. 'If nothing else I will just upgrade to a 3600/x and call it a day'

 

[Timelessest]

I have a 5800x and I am not spending 1000 dollars for ddr5 memory + Z690 motherboard + 12700k for 5 to 10% increase.
If AMD does things right AM5 will be amazing.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Well i am switching. I am being gifted a 12700k and a asus Rog Strix Z690-A gaming wi-fi D4 board. It is a massive improvement on what i have now, and will probably do me for a couple of years, then can maybe switch to a DDR5 board when its more available/cheaper.

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[mama]

alder lake its fuxking gabage

Not sure about "gabage". The 12900 runs hot but some of the lesser skews look good. I have no issue with the reported performance. Trouble is there is no longevity with any new build on Intel at the moment. The new LGA 1700 socket is likely to be a one trick pony and not compatible with the new chip to release later next year. I have had good value out of AM4 and used two chips - I'm sure others have had better use again. I guess if you you just wanted to continually build new systems and money was no object then fine. Alder Lake appears to be at the top of the class (at the moment).

I'm 99% sure its coming and I will own one in Q1 of 2022

True. 3D cache chip is coming on AM4 early next year (first quarter). Check out a recent video interview posted by AMD between a couple of marketing execs.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Not sure about "gabage".

Don't let a troll bait you. We all know Alder Lake isn't garbage.

 

[Mussels]

Don't let a troll bait you. We all know Alder Lake isn't garbage.

I'll say the 12900k is, but the sane wattage chips are competitive (pricing aside... that always changes after launch, anyway)

(The rest is not aimed at you lex, just entering the thread)


Theres no impressive reason to move from Zen, to AL.

Lets say you have a 5600x, and a 3080 (cause that's what TPU uses)
Best case, comparing a 5600x going to a 12900K is 15% faster at 720p gaming
Weaker GPU, higher resolution? It's a lot smaller.

The lower AL chips get a 5-10% advantage. Not nothing, but the moment you have a weaker GPU or use a higher resolution that's gone.

At 1440p which is a much more reasonable resolution from someone with current gen gaming hardware, it's 7.4% at best, and half that for the 12600k and 12700k.




Now we dont have gaming power consumption figures here at TPU yet, often they're pretty similar between AMD and intel and its worth noting that - but power and heat spikes going up need to be accounted for in the PSU, and cooling and that adds to the total cost of the system. You wont get that full performance, if you skimp out on cooling.

We do have multi threaded and single threaded results as well as overall efficiency (Higher power consumption is acceptable if it scales with extra performance) and... oh.
So that 0-8% performance gain comes with a 20 to 220W power difference.

And of course, this was the 5600x. If you have anything higher up the Zen stack, that performance difference basically doesn't exist... we're GPU bound. with a 3080.

For any kind of professional or workstation use, you'd need software that really only works on intel. The multi threaded performance between a 5950x and a 12900k is very competitive at trading blows... for 150W more power usage.


If i had an overclocking button on my PC right now that gave me an 8% performance boost sometimes for 220W, i would not push that button.
Would you? Then you might like AL.