Ryzen users, safe to upgrade windows 11?

[eidairaman1]

Haha.. exactly. Imo some of W11's UIs are straight downgrade from W10.
I'm very satisfied with W10 and don't see the appeal of upgrading to W11 for now, or maybe for years.

W10s ui was a major downgrade from W7s

 

[Kapone33]

I actually have been running Windows 11 on my Ryzen systems since the preview. I recently switched back to 10 and you guessed it I missed the snappiness and how snazzy the UI actually looks. I actually enjoyed it so much that I have installed it on all my PCs including my laptop. All with 1 user. Anecdotal but my peers and I experienced serious molasses on our systems after getting a Windows 10 update this morning. Don't worry this is not Windows 2000 or ME.

 

[Bill_Bright]

W10s ui was a major downgrade from W7s

The UI, maybe (which is exactly why I use Start 10). But under the hood, W10 is significantly superior.

 

[eidairaman1]

The UI, maybe (which is exactly why I use Start 10). But under the hood, W10 is significantly superior.

Considering it's a tweaked 7 under the hood.

But the UI is awful in 10/11 and still forced updates is BS.

 

[HD64G]

Win10's major improvement over Win7 in performance was the much better swap file and RAM utilization. Some new features also improve workload efficiency. On the other side it become too heavy after the first 2-3 years and the major updates due to its almost infinite bloatware-like processes running in the background and reducing the performance in thread sensitive apps as games.

 

[eidairaman1]

Win10's major improvement over Win7 in performance was the much better swap file and RAM utilization. Some new features also improve workload efficiency. On the other side it become too heavy after the first 2-3 years and the major updates due to its almost infinite bloatware-like processes running in the background and reducing the performance in thread sensitive apps as games.

Yup the improvements go unnoticed due to the disgrace in ui and now the bloatware

 

[Bill_Bright]

But the UI is awful in 10/11

And yet some love it!

I do believe to be fair, one has to give the new UIs a fair and honest chance. But we (as humans) tend to like the status quo, so we frequently don't take the time to get used to new changes - even to the point of stubbornly refusing to accept the change.

I never migrated to Vista. This means I was stuck on XP (which I loved) for many years before I switched to W7. At first, I hated W7. Then I got used to it and got to love it too. In fact, after getting used to W7, whenever I sat down at an XP system, I almost felt lost and certainly complained how clunky and awkward XP was.

I've gone through the same pattern several times over the years with each new version of MS Office.

To each his own, I guess.

 

[R-T-B]

Considering it's a tweaked 7 under the hood.

Well by that logic 7 is a tweaked 2000. It's actually a lot more than that.

 

[harm9963]

Well by that logic 7 is a tweaked 2000. It's actually a lot more than that.

Lets get down to the Kernel

 

[ShiBDiB]

Runs fine on my Ryzen. The only "clunkiness" I experience is the windows search feature being slow. But I recall having that issue with windows 10 as well before I made a reg edit, just don't remember what I did at the moment.

There's no learning curve or anything, it's just windows with a new skin on it.

 

[R-T-B]

Lets get down to the Kernel

Kind of my point. The kernel in every one of those releases underwent major changes.

 

[Space Lynx]

Win10's major improvement over Win7 in performance was the much better swap file and RAM utilization. Some new features also improve workload efficiency. On the other side it become too heavy after the first 2-3 years and the major updates due to its almost infinite bloatware-like processes running in the background and reducing the performance in thread sensitive apps as games.

what would you say is the big upgrade from 10 to 11? just curious since you seem to know a lot more about this than I do.

 

[Chrispy_]

Running 11 at work, 10 at home for a few months now. Stability and major issues were ironed out a while back.

Interface is meh, some things better some things worse, but the new UI is still a work in progress just like 10 is. The difference is that we've had several years of learning which bits of the OS have moved over to ModernUI and which bits are still in Control Panel or the ancient WinNT-derived .msc management consoles.

Honestly, there's no point in upgrading yet unless you have an Alder Lake CPU with E-cores. It looks slightly different, the rounded corners are dumb IMO, and all of your ingrained knowledge of which functions are in settings/control panel/.msc panels is reset. Don't get me wrong, a good chunk of it is the same, but there will be several times you're hunting for stuff and it's moved from CP to settings, but it's not a proper setting yet, just a link back to the old CP window....

I'll endorse 11 if and when DirectStorage is here and makes a meaningful difference, or when they finally unify the interface and ditch the triplicate layers of two incomplete migrations from .msc to Control Panel to ModernUI.

what would you say is the big upgrade from 10 to 11? just curious since you seem to know a lot more about this than I do.

The number. It's one louder.

 

[eidairaman1]

And yet some love it!

I do believe to be fair, one has to give the new UIs a fair and honest chance. But we (as humans) tend to like the status quo, so we frequently don't take the time to get used to new changes - even to the point of stubbornly refusing to accept the change.

I never migrated to Vista. This means I was stuck on XP (which I loved) for many years before I switched to W7. At first, I hated W7. Then I got used to it and got to love it too. In fact, after getting used to W7, whenever I sat down at an XP system, I almost felt lost and certainly complained how clunky and awkward XP was.

I've gone through the same pattern several times over the years with each new version of MS Office.

To each his own, I guess.

W95-7 was fluid, 8-11 are clunky as hell

 

[Bill_Bright]

W95-7 was fluid

Yeah, like this! LOL

 

[eidairaman1]

Yeah, like this! LOL

That's actually W8-11. LOL!

 

[lemoncarbonate]

W10s ui was a major downgrade from W7s

Not for me though. W10 is major upgrade from W7 right from the beginning.

 

[R-T-B]

My only real niggle with w11 is the right click menu. Depending on what you do with a PC, you have to tick more options just to get to the old menu to let you do what you wanted to. Other than that, I haven't seen reasons not to try it.

I agree with that, but I just work around it with ExplorerPatcher on github.

That's actually W8-11. LOL!

Using 7 today is the more "whitewater rafting" thing I think, because you are heading into dangerous waters more and more day by day.

what would you say is the big upgrade from 10 to 11? just curious since you seem to know a lot more about this than I do.

Honestly, it's purely ancedotal and not matched by benchmarks, but 11 just seems smoother than 10 to me. No idea why. That includes gaming.

And yes, I am a Ryzen user. 5950X.

 

[Space Lynx]

I agree with that, but I just work around it with ExplorerPatcher on github.


Using 7 today is the more "whitewater rafting" thing I think, because you are heading into dangerous waters more and more day by day.


Honestly, it's purely ancedotal and not matched by benchmarks, but 11 just seems smoother than 10 to me. No idea why. That includes gaming.

And yes, I am a Ryzen user. 5950X.

smoother in games or smoother user interface just when using windows?

 

[Totally]

Hi guys, it is now a good time to upgrade to windows 11 for ryzen users? heard it has performance issues at launch

Switch since it's released, didn't have any issues other that the awful changes they made to the task bar and start menu.

 

[R-T-B]

smoother in games or smoother user interface just when using windows?

Both honestly, though I have no stats to back up the statement. Actually, synthetic benches if anything are slightly worse.

Switch since it's released, didn't have any issues other that the awful changes they made to the task bar and start menu.

Again, ExplorerPatcher. Taskbar on mine behaves just like W10.

 

[tabascosauz]

Both honestly, though I have no stats to back up the statement. Actually, synthetic benches if anything are slightly worse.


Again, ExplorerPatcher. Taskbar on mine behaves just like W10.

My experience is exactly the same with 11. If it's your HWBot bench, don't go to 11. But if you just game on it, chances are 11 may serve you better.

But the "smoother" experience seems generally limited to games where Win 11's new scheduler behaviour is visible and makes it different from Win 10. Other games that load cores in exactly the same way as Win 10 (Halo Infinite, DCS) are unchanged.

If you keep your AGESA up to date, don't chase benchmark scores, don't determine the worth of your computer on synthetic e-peen, and don't mind UI changes/can mod your way around Win 11's annoyances, then there is really nothing "unsafe" about upgrading to 11 on Ryzen.

 

[Thimblewad]

Everything works flawlessly except the feature where you can copy items over the taskbar, for example:
taking a file from the desktop, moving it to a minimized app in the taskbar doesn't work, they disabled it. Although there is a workaround that works.
Other than that, it looks better, feels faster and not a single BSOD or crash since day one.

 

[TheLostSwede]

Win 11 is marmite.

How do you expect anyone outside of the UK to know what marmite is?
No-one else except ex British colonies eat that tripe.

On topic, personally I'm staying clear of Windows 11 for now, especially as there's supposed to be a major-ish update this quarter.

 

[mama]

I'm enjoying the new Windows, even if it is very like the old Windows