• Welcome to TechPowerUp Forums, Guest! Please check out our forum guidelines for info related to our community.

Samsung Enters Volume Production of a Killer Crypto-mining ASIC

rtwjunkie

PC Gaming Enthusiast
Supporter
Joined
Jul 25, 2008
Messages
13,909 (2.42/day)
Location
Louisiana -Laissez les bons temps rouler!
System Name Bayou Phantom
Processor Core i7-8700k 4.4Ghz @ 1.18v
Motherboard ASRock Z390 Phantom Gaming 6
Cooling All air: 2x140mm Fractal exhaust; 3x 140mm Cougar Intake; Enermax T40F Black CPU cooler
Memory 2x 16GB Mushkin Redline DDR-4 3200
Video Card(s) EVGA RTX 2080 Ti Xc
Storage 1x 500 MX500 SSD; 2x 6TB WD Black; 1x 4TB WD Black; 1x400GB VelRptr; 1x 4TB WD Blue storage (eSATA)
Display(s) HP 27q 27" IPS @ 2560 x 1440
Case Fractal Design Define R4 Black w/Titanium front -windowed
Audio Device(s) Soundblaster Z
Power Supply Seasonic X-850
Mouse Coolermaster Sentinel III (large palm grip!)
Keyboard Logitech G610 Orion mechanical (Cherry Brown switches)
Software Windows 10 Pro 64-bit (Start10 & Fences 3.0 installed)
The fact that the English language calls it a Pineapple is the dumbest idea ever, pretty much every other language calls it something along the lines of ananas.
Actually we have the Spanish to blame for this, since they named it upon discovery in the West Indies, for its resemblance to pine cones. The English, also being heavily involved in the Carribean, used the word too, so as to minimize confusion in Carribean trade.

Meanwhile samples brought to Europe were classified by the scientists on the continent as Ananas comosus. Interestingly, and kind of rare of an occurrence it was, the scientific name caught on and spread into common usage. Meanwhile the British and Spanish persisted in the use of the lay men's field name.

The Spanish language still uses pinyã today, interchangeably with annana. Frequent use: Pinyã Colada.

EDIT: Oops, was distracted on phone call with the boss. Should be Piña.
 
Last edited:

Fx

Joined
Oct 31, 2008
Messages
1,332 (0.24/day)
Location
Portland, OR
Processor Ryzen 2600x
Motherboard ASUS ROG Strix X470-F Gaming
Cooling Noctua
Memory G.SKILL Flare X Series 16GB DDR4 3466
Video Card(s) EVGA 980ti FTW
Storage (OS)Samsung 950 Pro (512GB), (Data) WD Reds
Display(s) 24" Dell UltraSharp U2412M
Case Fractal Design Define R5
Audio Device(s) Sennheiser GAME ONE
Power Supply EVGA SuperNOVA 650 P2
Mouse Mionix Castor
Keyboard Deck Hassium Pro
Software Windows 10 Pro x64
I think the point lies elsewere. The case for Cryptos is the decentralization and deregulation of value; cutting out central banks, governments, big circuit players from the equation of money transfer.

No offense, but this is a fairy tale. The men who control central banks rule the world because they are shrewd businessmen. The reason why JFK, RFK, al-Qaddafi and others have lost their lives -- they were trying to provide money backed by real value (gold, silver, oil). It is in their best interest to execute whatever means necessary to maintain their iron grip on the world's primary exchange of currency. Cryptocurrency is no exception and only exists because they allow it.

He who controls banks controls food, energy, war, "education" (indoctrination), news, infrastructure and thus people with strokes of the pen.

It's a bit dark, but I dont believe there will ever be a parallel monetary system which they do not control.

You really want some suits telling you how much your hard work is worth based on how much gold the suits can horde in a fort somewhere? If their gold disappears then the value of your same hard work disappears.

The US hasn't been backed by gold since 1971. We have been using fiat currency (monopoly money) for decades.

With that said, sadly it is a far superior system to cryptocurrency.
 
Joined
Mar 10, 2015
Messages
3,984 (1.19/day)
System Name Wut?
Processor 3900X
Motherboard ASRock Taichi X570
Cooling Water
Memory 32GB GSkill CL16 3600mhz
Video Card(s) Vega 56
Storage 2 x AData XPG 8200 Pro 1TB
Display(s) 3440 x 1440
Case Thermaltake Tower 900
Power Supply Seasonic Prime Ultra Platinum
Crypto coin mining. wasting energy and resources

Fill in the blank please

Gaming is not a waste of energy and resources because ______________________________________.
 
Joined
Aug 20, 2007
Messages
20,789 (3.41/day)
System Name Pioneer
Processor Ryzen R9 7950X
Motherboard GIGABYTE Aorus Elite X670 AX
Cooling Noctua NH-D15 + A whole lotta Sunon and Corsair Maglev blower fans...
Memory 64GB (4x 16GB) G.Skill Flare X5 @ DDR5-6000 CL30
Video Card(s) XFX RX 7900 XTX Speedster Merc 310
Storage 2x Crucial P5 Plus 2TB PCIe 4.0 NVMe SSDs
Display(s) 55" LG 55" B9 OLED 4K Display
Case Thermaltake Core X31
Audio Device(s) TOSLINK->Schiit Modi MB->Asgard 2 DAC Amp->AKG Pro K712 Headphones or HDMI->B9 OLED
Power Supply FSP Hydro Ti Pro 850W
Mouse Logitech G305 Lightspeed Wireless
Keyboard WASD Code v3 with Cherry Green keyswitches + PBT DS keycaps
Software Gentoo Linux x64
Any digital coins are inherently vulnerable to hacking. With quantum computing all the coins you mined can easily be taken away by whoever controls the most power quantum computing (aka governments, or Soros). In some sense it is worse than traditional currency. So nope, the future of crypto currency is pretty dim.

You need to do some research into "quantum hardened code."

The worst that will happen is a PoW change.

Instead of acquiring money that has already been created through many controls of regulation, they create money with relative ease.

My numbers in my experiment currently indicate that after labor hours, I am making $10.00 per hour of labor. I should be working at McDonalds. What relative ease?

With that said, sadly it is a far superior system to cryptocurrency.

I don't believe that will always be the case. I strongly believe we are in an embryo stage as to what crypto is to become.

No offense, but this is a fairy tale.

How is it a fairy tale? If I want to transfer money in bitcoin and I sign the transaction, how can the "big banks" stop it? Answer: They can't.
 

Fx

Joined
Oct 31, 2008
Messages
1,332 (0.24/day)
Location
Portland, OR
Processor Ryzen 2600x
Motherboard ASUS ROG Strix X470-F Gaming
Cooling Noctua
Memory G.SKILL Flare X Series 16GB DDR4 3466
Video Card(s) EVGA 980ti FTW
Storage (OS)Samsung 950 Pro (512GB), (Data) WD Reds
Display(s) 24" Dell UltraSharp U2412M
Case Fractal Design Define R5
Audio Device(s) Sennheiser GAME ONE
Power Supply EVGA SuperNOVA 650 P2
Mouse Mionix Castor
Keyboard Deck Hassium Pro
Software Windows 10 Pro x64
How is it a fairy tale? If I want to transfer money in bitcoin and I sign the transaction, how can the "big banks" stop it? Answer: They can't.

Just got off work and headed home, but I will say this.

Easy. Legislation.

Have a good evening.
 
Joined
Sep 15, 2007
Messages
3,944 (0.65/day)
Location
Police/Nanny State of America
Processor OCed 5800X3D
Motherboard Asucks C6H
Cooling Air
Memory 32GB
Video Card(s) OCed 6800XT
Storage NVMees
Display(s) 32" Dull curved 1440
Case Freebie glass idk
Audio Device(s) Sennheiser
Power Supply Don't even remember
You know there is a finite number to what can be mined. Unlike gov money, they can print that forever. But only a certain number of coins can be mined.
I had someone tell me if trends continue then by 2020 all the world's electricity will be used on mining. I just laughed. All the world's huh? So my lights won't come on cause of a factory of video cards spinning somewhere? Get real people. It isn't free either, electricity costs,GPUs cost, ASICs cost. You really want some suits telling you how much your hard work is worth based on how much gold the suits can horde in a fort somewhere? If their gold disappears then the value of your same hard work disappears.

That Fort is likely empty. No one outside is allowed to view the gold. Paper currency is a scam they'll print until 1929 looks like a vacation.
 

FordGT90Concept

"I go fast!1!11!1!"
Joined
Oct 13, 2008
Messages
26,259 (4.63/day)
Location
IA, USA
System Name BY-2021
Processor AMD Ryzen 7 5800X (65w eco profile)
Motherboard MSI B550 Gaming Plus
Cooling Scythe Mugen (rev 5)
Memory 2 x Kingston HyperX DDR4-3200 32 GiB
Video Card(s) AMD Radeon RX 7900 XT
Storage Samsung 980 Pro, Seagate Exos X20 TB 7200 RPM
Display(s) Nixeus NX-EDG274K (3840x2160@144 DP) + Samsung SyncMaster 906BW (1440x900@60 HDMI-DVI)
Case Coolermaster HAF 932 w/ USB 3.0 5.25" bay + USB 3.2 (A+C) 3.5" bay
Audio Device(s) Realtek ALC1150, Micca OriGen+
Power Supply Enermax Platimax 850w
Mouse Nixeus REVEL-X
Keyboard Tesoro Excalibur
Software Windows 10 Home 64-bit
Benchmark Scores Faster than the tortoise; slower than the hare.
Last edited:
Joined
Aug 20, 2007
Messages
20,789 (3.41/day)
System Name Pioneer
Processor Ryzen R9 7950X
Motherboard GIGABYTE Aorus Elite X670 AX
Cooling Noctua NH-D15 + A whole lotta Sunon and Corsair Maglev blower fans...
Memory 64GB (4x 16GB) G.Skill Flare X5 @ DDR5-6000 CL30
Video Card(s) XFX RX 7900 XTX Speedster Merc 310
Storage 2x Crucial P5 Plus 2TB PCIe 4.0 NVMe SSDs
Display(s) 55" LG 55" B9 OLED 4K Display
Case Thermaltake Core X31
Audio Device(s) TOSLINK->Schiit Modi MB->Asgard 2 DAC Amp->AKG Pro K712 Headphones or HDMI->B9 OLED
Power Supply FSP Hydro Ti Pro 850W
Mouse Logitech G305 Lightspeed Wireless
Keyboard WASD Code v3 with Cherry Green keyswitches + PBT DS keycaps
Software Gentoo Linux x64
Just got off work and headed home, but I will say this.

Easy. Legislation.

Have a good evening.

Legislation could not effect the peer to peer network anymore than it can get content removed from bittorrent.
 
Joined
Jul 5, 2013
Messages
25,559 (6.47/day)
Pineapple on pizza is delicious. what are you talking about? I add pineapple on my pizza all the time when i custom order one.
Whole-heartedly and completely agree! For me a pizza is just not complete without some pineapple.

Back to the article, it wouldn't take much to modify these SOC's to do other cryptocurrencies. This is what the world needs for cryptocurrency mining. Far more cost and resource effective.
 

FordGT90Concept

"I go fast!1!11!1!"
Joined
Oct 13, 2008
Messages
26,259 (4.63/day)
Location
IA, USA
System Name BY-2021
Processor AMD Ryzen 7 5800X (65w eco profile)
Motherboard MSI B550 Gaming Plus
Cooling Scythe Mugen (rev 5)
Memory 2 x Kingston HyperX DDR4-3200 32 GiB
Video Card(s) AMD Radeon RX 7900 XT
Storage Samsung 980 Pro, Seagate Exos X20 TB 7200 RPM
Display(s) Nixeus NX-EDG274K (3840x2160@144 DP) + Samsung SyncMaster 906BW (1440x900@60 HDMI-DVI)
Case Coolermaster HAF 932 w/ USB 3.0 5.25" bay + USB 3.2 (A+C) 3.5" bay
Audio Device(s) Realtek ALC1150, Micca OriGen+
Power Supply Enermax Platimax 850w
Mouse Nixeus REVEL-X
Keyboard Tesoro Excalibur
Software Windows 10 Home 64-bit
Benchmark Scores Faster than the tortoise; slower than the hare.
Legislation could not effect the peer to peer network anymore than it can get content removed from bittorrent.
I spelled it out in previous threads. TL;DR: add cryptocurrency to the Controlled Substances Act. Make it illegal to produce (ICOs and mining), possess (crypto wallets), and trade (exchanges). The whole market is turned black virtually overnight. If enforcement is needed, power companies can be given an avenue to report instances of high residential power use to a cybercrimes unit which can be used as probable cause to search for cryptomining hardware.
 
Joined
Aug 20, 2007
Messages
20,789 (3.41/day)
System Name Pioneer
Processor Ryzen R9 7950X
Motherboard GIGABYTE Aorus Elite X670 AX
Cooling Noctua NH-D15 + A whole lotta Sunon and Corsair Maglev blower fans...
Memory 64GB (4x 16GB) G.Skill Flare X5 @ DDR5-6000 CL30
Video Card(s) XFX RX 7900 XTX Speedster Merc 310
Storage 2x Crucial P5 Plus 2TB PCIe 4.0 NVMe SSDs
Display(s) 55" LG 55" B9 OLED 4K Display
Case Thermaltake Core X31
Audio Device(s) TOSLINK->Schiit Modi MB->Asgard 2 DAC Amp->AKG Pro K712 Headphones or HDMI->B9 OLED
Power Supply FSP Hydro Ti Pro 850W
Mouse Logitech G305 Lightspeed Wireless
Keyboard WASD Code v3 with Cherry Green keyswitches + PBT DS keycaps
Software Gentoo Linux x64
I spelled it out in previous threads. TL;DR: add cryptocurrency to the Controlled Substances Act.

Still, you couldn't actually force the devs to do anything. The transaction ledger would still contain the same data. There's satelites in space at this point relaying blockchain data and doing nothing else, you think they are going to stop? Anything you could possibly do to stop a transaction would have to attempt to be retroactive and honestly could do nothing to stop that particular transaction from being relayed and recorded.

Besides the fact that that will never happen. There's that too.
 

FordGT90Concept

"I go fast!1!11!1!"
Joined
Oct 13, 2008
Messages
26,259 (4.63/day)
Location
IA, USA
System Name BY-2021
Processor AMD Ryzen 7 5800X (65w eco profile)
Motherboard MSI B550 Gaming Plus
Cooling Scythe Mugen (rev 5)
Memory 2 x Kingston HyperX DDR4-3200 32 GiB
Video Card(s) AMD Radeon RX 7900 XT
Storage Samsung 980 Pro, Seagate Exos X20 TB 7200 RPM
Display(s) Nixeus NX-EDG274K (3840x2160@144 DP) + Samsung SyncMaster 906BW (1440x900@60 HDMI-DVI)
Case Coolermaster HAF 932 w/ USB 3.0 5.25" bay + USB 3.2 (A+C) 3.5" bay
Audio Device(s) Realtek ALC1150, Micca OriGen+
Power Supply Enermax Platimax 850w
Mouse Nixeus REVEL-X
Keyboard Tesoro Excalibur
Software Windows 10 Home 64-bit
Benchmark Scores Faster than the tortoise; slower than the hare.
You don't stop transactions (unless it's a sting operation), you pursue the source (dealer) and the destination (buyer) removing them from the market via seizure of assets and a prison sentence.
 
Joined
Aug 2, 2012
Messages
1,771 (0.41/day)
Location
Netherlands
System Name TheDeeGee's PC
Processor Intel Core i7-11700
Motherboard ASRock Z590 Steel Legend
Cooling Noctua NH-D15
Memory Crucial Ballistix 3200/C16 32GB
Video Card(s) Nvidia RTX 4070 Ti 12GB
Storage Crucial P5 Plus 2TB / Crucial P3 Plus 2TB / Crucial P3 Plus 4TB
Display(s) EIZO CX240
Case Lian-Li O11 Dynamic Evo XL
Audio Device(s) Creative Sound Blaster ZxR / AKG K601 Headphones
Power Supply Seasonic PRIME Fanless TX-700
Mouse Logitech G500s
Keyboard Keychron Q6
Software Windows 10 Pro 64-Bit
Benchmark Scores None, as long as my games runs smooth.
So what happend to all the "ECO" features.

Samsung does not know Mining isn't ECO friendly?
 
Joined
Jun 18, 2017
Messages
114 (0.05/day)
You know there is a finite number to what can be mined. Unlike gov money, they can print that forever. But only a certain number of coins can be mined.
I had someone tell me if trends continue then by 2020 all the world's electricity will be used on mining. I just laughed. All the world's huh? So my lights won't come on cause of a factory of video cards spinning somewhere? Get real people. It isn't free either, electricity costs,GPUs cost, ASICs cost. You really want some suits telling you how much your hard work is worth based on how much gold the suits can horde in a fort somewhere? If their gold disappears then the value of your same hard work disappears.
What do you mean "there is a finite number to what can be mined"? Aren't new coins coming out like mushrooms after rain and aren't existing ones getting forked? Seems pretty similar to gov money. The differences are who is potentially in control and the higher amount of wasted resources.
 

FordGT90Concept

"I go fast!1!11!1!"
Joined
Oct 13, 2008
Messages
26,259 (4.63/day)
Location
IA, USA
System Name BY-2021
Processor AMD Ryzen 7 5800X (65w eco profile)
Motherboard MSI B550 Gaming Plus
Cooling Scythe Mugen (rev 5)
Memory 2 x Kingston HyperX DDR4-3200 32 GiB
Video Card(s) AMD Radeon RX 7900 XT
Storage Samsung 980 Pro, Seagate Exos X20 TB 7200 RPM
Display(s) Nixeus NX-EDG274K (3840x2160@144 DP) + Samsung SyncMaster 906BW (1440x900@60 HDMI-DVI)
Case Coolermaster HAF 932 w/ USB 3.0 5.25" bay + USB 3.2 (A+C) 3.5" bay
Audio Device(s) Realtek ALC1150, Micca OriGen+
Power Supply Enermax Platimax 850w
Mouse Nixeus REVEL-X
Keyboard Tesoro Excalibur
Software Windows 10 Home 64-bit
Benchmark Scores Faster than the tortoise; slower than the hare.
Actually there is a finite amount of value backing legal tender. Inflation/deflation occurs based on the amount of legal tender versus the value behind it.
 

Fx

Joined
Oct 31, 2008
Messages
1,332 (0.24/day)
Location
Portland, OR
Processor Ryzen 2600x
Motherboard ASUS ROG Strix X470-F Gaming
Cooling Noctua
Memory G.SKILL Flare X Series 16GB DDR4 3466
Video Card(s) EVGA 980ti FTW
Storage (OS)Samsung 950 Pro (512GB), (Data) WD Reds
Display(s) 24" Dell UltraSharp U2412M
Case Fractal Design Define R5
Audio Device(s) Sennheiser GAME ONE
Power Supply EVGA SuperNOVA 650 P2
Mouse Mionix Castor
Keyboard Deck Hassium Pro
Software Windows 10 Pro x64
Still, you couldn't actually force the devs to do anything. The transaction ledger would still contain the same data. There's satelites in space at this point relaying blockchain data and doing nothing else, you think they are going to stop? Anything you could possibly do to stop a transaction would have to attempt to be retroactive and honestly could do nothing to stop that particular transaction from being relayed and recorded.

Besides the fact that that will never happen. There's that too.

So you are telling me that YOU would be willing to do illegal activities to earn ~$10/day? As far as exchanging with the currency, it really wouldn't be worth the risk when you can just use legal currency.

There will always be people doing criminal activities. A typical, average citizen will conduct their lives according to law.

Legislation rules all my friend and that is something they can easily pass if they deem it a necessary.
 
Joined
Aug 20, 2007
Messages
20,789 (3.41/day)
System Name Pioneer
Processor Ryzen R9 7950X
Motherboard GIGABYTE Aorus Elite X670 AX
Cooling Noctua NH-D15 + A whole lotta Sunon and Corsair Maglev blower fans...
Memory 64GB (4x 16GB) G.Skill Flare X5 @ DDR5-6000 CL30
Video Card(s) XFX RX 7900 XTX Speedster Merc 310
Storage 2x Crucial P5 Plus 2TB PCIe 4.0 NVMe SSDs
Display(s) 55" LG 55" B9 OLED 4K Display
Case Thermaltake Core X31
Audio Device(s) TOSLINK->Schiit Modi MB->Asgard 2 DAC Amp->AKG Pro K712 Headphones or HDMI->B9 OLED
Power Supply FSP Hydro Ti Pro 850W
Mouse Logitech G305 Lightspeed Wireless
Keyboard WASD Code v3 with Cherry Green keyswitches + PBT DS keycaps
Software Gentoo Linux x64
So you are telling me that YOU would be willing to do illegal activities to earn ~$10/day? As far as exchanging with the currency, it really wouldn't be worth the risk when you can just use legal currency.

There will always be people doing criminal activities. A typical, average citizen will conduct their lives according to law.

Legislation rules all my friend and that is something they can easily pass if they deem it a necessary.

That's irrelevant to my point. You need to reread my post.
 

Fx

Joined
Oct 31, 2008
Messages
1,332 (0.24/day)
Location
Portland, OR
Processor Ryzen 2600x
Motherboard ASUS ROG Strix X470-F Gaming
Cooling Noctua
Memory G.SKILL Flare X Series 16GB DDR4 3466
Video Card(s) EVGA 980ti FTW
Storage (OS)Samsung 950 Pro (512GB), (Data) WD Reds
Display(s) 24" Dell UltraSharp U2412M
Case Fractal Design Define R5
Audio Device(s) Sennheiser GAME ONE
Power Supply EVGA SuperNOVA 650 P2
Mouse Mionix Castor
Keyboard Deck Hassium Pro
Software Windows 10 Pro x64
I read it. You are now talking about other people instead of discussing how you fit in to the equation.

And you represents all of us because you are a typical citizen like us. Only a fraction of people participate in criminal activities.
 
Last edited:
Joined
Dec 29, 2010
Messages
3,458 (0.71/day)
Processor AMD 5900x
Motherboard Asus x570 Strix-E
Cooling Hardware Labs
Memory G.Skill 4000c17 2x16gb
Video Card(s) RTX 3090
Storage Sabrent
Display(s) Samsung G9
Case Phanteks 719
Audio Device(s) Fiio K5 Pro
Power Supply EVGA 1000 P2
Mouse Logitech G600
Keyboard Corsair K95
I once had durian pizza in Singapore. You will know true evil when you taste that f*r.

Frozen durian is pretty good, mind you it smells like ass literally.
 
Joined
Jun 26, 2017
Messages
90 (0.04/day)
Location
Germany
Processor Core i5-6500
Motherboard MSI Z170A Krait Gaming
Memory 2x8GB Kingston HyperX Fury Black
Video Card(s) Radeon HD7970
Display(s) 2x BenQ E2200HD
Case Xigmatek Utgard
Power Supply OCZ Fatal1ty 550W
Mouse Mad Catz M.M.O.TE
Keyboard Coolermaster Quickfire TK MX Blue
Software Windows 10 64bit


What is wrong about a Hawaii Pizza?
Apart from the fact, that, when I ordered one in the US 13 years ago, it tasted like garbage.

I don't even know HOW they managed to get a pizza (which is just ham and ananas in addition to the basic margherita components) wrong

Apart from that. Who cares about mining. In my opinion it is just baseless bullshit. The worth of a currency is equivalent to the trust people set in it that it has that worth. And I don't trust crypto at all. So to me it is worthless.
 

FordGT90Concept

"I go fast!1!11!1!"
Joined
Oct 13, 2008
Messages
26,259 (4.63/day)
Location
IA, USA
System Name BY-2021
Processor AMD Ryzen 7 5800X (65w eco profile)
Motherboard MSI B550 Gaming Plus
Cooling Scythe Mugen (rev 5)
Memory 2 x Kingston HyperX DDR4-3200 32 GiB
Video Card(s) AMD Radeon RX 7900 XT
Storage Samsung 980 Pro, Seagate Exos X20 TB 7200 RPM
Display(s) Nixeus NX-EDG274K (3840x2160@144 DP) + Samsung SyncMaster 906BW (1440x900@60 HDMI-DVI)
Case Coolermaster HAF 932 w/ USB 3.0 5.25" bay + USB 3.2 (A+C) 3.5" bay
Audio Device(s) Realtek ALC1150, Micca OriGen+
Power Supply Enermax Platimax 850w
Mouse Nixeus REVEL-X
Keyboard Tesoro Excalibur
Software Windows 10 Home 64-bit
Benchmark Scores Faster than the tortoise; slower than the hare.
It's durian pizza. Durian is a stinky fruit.
 
Joined
Feb 9, 2009
Messages
1,618 (0.29/day)
anti pineapple pizza arguments dont make sense, you people better have actually tasted it on a normal/good pizza first

plenty of other foods have an extra 'kick' by adding a sweet element (not that pineapple is particularly sweet...) like sweet & sour sauce, cranberry sauce (north american thanksgiving meals), some appetizer/main salad with oranges or berries, etc

Fill in the blank please

Gaming is not a waste of energy and resources because ______________________________________.
art & play are important for the psychological development of the human mind, not to mention most other animals (play specifically)

i'm not saying max ultra settings super overclock plastic LEDs everywhere gaming, i'm saying the concept of an electronic video game
 
Last edited:
Top