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[gurusmi]

What? I wasn't talking about any of that..

I did want to say to you that there is not even one good Windows.

Seems MS has realised there will be some demand for this.

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A solution for those willing to pay to keep 10 going, available to consumers, extended security update program.

Professionally it is a question of money. Does a rollout of a new version cost more that that program you linked.

An RollOut is not only installing a new version. There are branches that need to be certified by officials. The costs for a new version explodes. I'm a project manager in Software rollout so i know how much such a migration could cost. That depends on the branch. I.e. If a company migrates inside the pharmaceutical branch the company has to be certified by an official organization according to the Laws of EMA and FDA. I had a project where a bank did want to upgrade from Win 7 to Win 10, It has been only an investment bank. But the project for that 1.000 Users in 10 Dependencies did take over 1 Year. You don't want to know how much that did cost in total. I also had migrations in the pharmaceuticaal/BioTech/MedTech branch. You also don't want to know how much there an migration can cost.

It starts with a research what software is used. Then they have to check if all of their software will work on the new version also. After that there will be a check what kind og Hardware is used and if all the hardware is supported by the new version. All the Users have to be trained. All the SOP's (Standard operational procedures) have to be rewritten. Everything has to be prepared. Till here we are talking about some millions of Dollars depending on the complexity of the architecture and the branch. The breakeven where the price of a migration is much higher that keeping the old version and paying for this program is reached quite fast. It is not like at home where one just installs a new version.

 

[kondamin]

Huh?
All these apps you're talking about are fast becoming browser-based. The only thing separating Windows and Linux in the future is how good the experience is getting to your browser.
We're not there yet, I can still name dozens of mainstream software packages that aren't browser-based, but several of the major vendors are moving away from a Win32 traditional model.

Why would I buy a workstation and not be able to use any of its potential because it’s running remotely or only get to use a fraction because chrome is using all my memory and only allowing me to use 2 threads

 

[lexluthermiester]

I did want to say to you that there is not even one good Windows.

That's your opinion, not everyone shares it.

 

[Chrispy_]

Why would I buy a workstation and not be able to use any of its potential because it’s running remotely or only get to use a fraction because chrome is using all my memory and only allowing me to use 2 threads

I still build and deploy workstations too. I'm just noticing more and more professional products used by engineers and architects transitioning to the cloud, and being re-written in part or in full to have a version that will run on just about any device viable for that particular industry. It hasn't happened yet, but soon a majority of common software will need HTML, not Windows or OSX. You can probably thank tablets for the transition away from desktop OSes since that's what engineers are switching to on site, and it's what's replacing desktop PCs that used to be dominant in the CADCAM industry.

The desktop PC with a desktop OS is still dominant today, but you need to be wilfully ignorant or blind to not see the change that's happening already and has been advancing rapidly in the last half decade.

 

[pavle]

M$ should rename themselves to Monumental_Shift then? I just hope it doesn't turn out being it without the letter "f".

 

[dyonoctis]

I run photoshop on linux fine here. *shrugs*

That's just one of their many software. After Effects is problematic to run, Premiere Pro as well, and Illustrator is even less stable than it is elsewhere. If you make a living from it that's not an acceptable state.

Huh?
All these apps you're talking about are fast becoming browser-based. The only thing separating Windows and Linux in the future is how good the experience is getting to your browser.
We're not there yet, I can still name dozens of mainstream software packages that aren't browser-based, but several of the major vendors are moving away from a Win32 traditional model.

Adobe only has Photoshop online, and it's limited in features versus the desktop app. Creative agencies also prefer to save files on their private servers, which Adobe doesn't allow you to do with Photoshop online (you can only save on their cloud). I don't know of any 3D entertainment/Motion graphics vendors that are moving away from win32... Maxon doesn't have anything working on a browser.
(I've only talked about graphics apps since that's the area that I'm familiar with. All the people, and agencies that I know largely ignored the web version of Photoshop. )

That's still a far theoretical future for those industries. Especially for 3D, cloud rendering is only used for heavy final projects since you are billed by the minute (still cheaper than building your own render farm/losing access to your computer for hours/days). Using it all the time would be very expensive none of the players are willing to do a "pay xx$xx and get unlimited render time" subcription. The current model is more profitable for them. I am not looking forward to a future where some people will try and see if locking users into paying for each minute of a render is possible to get away with.

The funny thing is that Adobe bought the Substance 3D suite from Allegorithmic and discontinued the Linux version until they had to bring it back because many VFX studios are working in a Linux environment (Big movies production/post-prod is one area where Windows never had a solid footing it's all about MacOS for movie editing/Linux for special effects).

But to be frank, most designers/creative agencies have a strong bias toward the Mac anyway, "Windows for creative" only became a thing because Nvidia GPUs got a big lead in 3D. Many switchers are just waiting for Apple to catch up to them

 

[gurusmi]

The desktop PC with a desktop OS is still dominant today, but you need to be wilfully ignorant or blind to not see the change that's happening already and has been advancing rapidly in the last half decade.

Not for all branches. That WEbOS Software doesn't comply to all legal rules that are needed at different branches. There will always be some branches (Pharma/BioTech/MedTech/Banking) that need a kind of security that cannot be provided by software firms. There will always be software running on site. So there will always be systems (Servers, Workstations/Clients) running in that sites.

 

[Konceptz]

This is functionally just the Windows 24H2 release with spicy marketing. AI is a meaningless buzzword. I'll be upgrading to it as soon as release candidate builds come up.

Exactly this.

 

[chrcoluk]

You know like those govts, banks or any other number of massive clinets who pay for it?

I think a few of the banks' ATM's around here still run on XP so this isn't new

Its new for individual consumers. Previously it was only available to companies.

 

[LukeHjo]

Exciting news, a new kernel and other improvements.

It would be great if they could stop with the whole AI marketing scheme. What we have at the moment is known as statistical analysis, which is very different from AI.

 

[matar]

Looking Forword to this lets see what NVidia CPU will be like and also Microsoft CPU is coming i think let's hope we get Apple M3 MAX performance or better with low thermals and finally say good by to intel CPUs,

 

[zlobby]

M$ should rename themselves to Monumental_Shift then? I just hope it doesn't turn out being it without the letter "f".

The 'u' in Microsoft stays for 'user-oriented'.

 

[R0H1T]

Its new for individual consumers. Previously it was only available to companies.

Yes & arguably a good thing, especially if you want keep using old(ish) OS.

 

[zlobby]

Yes & arguably a good thing, especially if you want keep using old(ish) OS.

Yeah, but they still don't let Pro and even Pro for Workstation editions use Credential Guard and many other security features...

 

[chrcoluk]

Yes & arguably a good thing, especially if you want keep using old(ish) OS.

Surprised it took them so long to tap this market, as they make these patches anyway like you said for the enterprise organisations with long term support contracts.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

These guys have used 11 right.

Their innovation is AI, what like Co pilot.

I'll be impressed when the exact same data set opens the exact same way every time in excel FFS.

 

[zlobby]

These guys have used 11 right.

Their innovation is AI, what like Co pilot.

I'll be impressed when the exact same data set opens the exact same way every time in excel FFS.

I have as much use of AI in Windows, as I do in my floor tiles.

 

[Chrispy_]

Not for all branches. That WEbOS Software doesn't comply to all legal rules that are needed at different branches. There will always be some branches (Pharma/BioTech/MedTech/Banking) that need a kind of security that cannot be provided by software firms. There will always be software running on site. So there will always be systems (Servers, Workstations/Clients) running in that sites.

Yes and no. Those are the industries still using XP a decade beyond its due date because their proprietary in-house software is too expensive/critical to bring up to date. Pharma/Banking/Government are always so far away from "up to date" they're not even relevant in the discussion of new OSes.

 

[Tek-Check]

Hi,
Not sure on the upgrade part but they do let you swapout batteries and maybe broken screens at their stores.

I wonder why swappable storage is a problem for them.

 

[lexluthermiester]

These guys have used 11 right.

Their innovation is AI, what like Co pilot.

I'll be impressed when the exact same data set opens the exact same way every time in excel FFS.

Very likely.

 

[R-T-B]

The "paranoia" is probably going to look real nice in a few years, reminds me of people's attitudes before Snowden and "We kill people based on meta-data".

Due to AI, “We are about to enter the era of mass spying,” says Bruce Schneier

Schneier: AI will enable a shift from observing actions to interpreting intentions, en masse.

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Cool strawman bro.

 

[umeng2002]

I wonder if the government would be fine with MS's AI co-pilot/ Cortana trawling through classified files on a Windows 11 machine. I wonder if MS would be fine with X's or a Chinese AI trawling through their industrial secrets. Are you going to get raided by the FBI at 5 am and your dog killed when you asked MS's AI to edit a picture you took of your kid, or asked it about how nuclear weapon's work, or a Snowden-like whistle-blower merely stores leaked files on a Windows 12 machine?

 

[Shrek]

Wonder if this means Windows on the new Macs.

 

[zlobby]

Wonder if this means Windows on the new Macs.

Yeah, right. /s

 

[Tek-Check]

Hi,
Not sure on the upgrade part but they do let you swapout batteries and maybe broken screens at their stores.

Sure, but the rest of hardware is locked and sold as pre-configured for ridiculous price, as if SSD is made of gold.