Shadow Of The Tomb Raider - CPU Performance and general game benchmark discussions

[Cekho]

Hello everyone.
I followed with interest this thread since I started to play at Shadow of the tomb raider 2 days ago.
Since the start of the game I started to feel something wrong: currently I play with a R7 3700x + 6700xt at 1080p (atm i cant go for 1440p which I aim), but my FPS average on game benchmark are pretty low for the ultra settings -> like 87 fps average. So i tried to set all at lowest like all of you did in this thread and these are the results:

I'm not sure but i think having 87 average fps on ultra and 102 on lowest settings with my current setup is not normal.
On the bottom-right corner, the first column of the table shows low fps from the CPU-game compared to your previous posts and I cant find the reason. Even lower CPUs have higher CPU-game fps.
I literally played Cyberpunk2077 on ultra in 1080p without any strange results like this.

Anyone maybe know the potential issues? Or maybe i'm just not reading correctly the datas?

Thanks you for the answers, hoping in a help have a good day

 

[Felix123BU]

Hello everyone.
I followed with interest this thread since I started to play at Shadow of the tomb raider 2 days ago.
Since the start of the game I started to feel something wrong: currently I play with a R7 3700x + 6700xt at 1080p (atm i cant go for 1440p which I aim), but my FPS average on game benchmark are pretty low for the ultra settings -> like 87 fps average. So i tried to set all at lowest like all of you did in this thread and these are the results:


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I'm not sure but i think having 87 average fps on ultra and 102 on lowest settings with my current setup is not normal.
On the bottom-right corner, the first column of the table shows low fps from the CPU-game compared to your previous posts and I cant find the reason. Even lower CPUs have higher CPU-game fps.
I literally played Cyberpunk2077 on ultra in 1080p without any strange results like this.

Anyone maybe know the potential issues? Or maybe i'm just not reading correctly the datas?

Thanks you for the answers, hoping in a help have a good day

From what you posted, the result say your CPU-RAM combo is underperforming. A 3700x should give much better results. What RAM sticks do you use, and what are your RAM settings? I had the 3800X, it was roughly 25% faster than your 3700x in this test, and the difference between a 3800x and 3700x is minimal anyway.

 

[Cekho]

From what you posted, the result say your CPU-RAM combo is underperforming. A 3700x should give much better results. What RAM sticks do you use, and what are your RAM settings? I had the 3800X, it was roughly 25% faster than your 3700x in this test, and the difference between a 3800x and 3700x is minimal anyway.

Thanks for the answer.

I'm actually using a pair of Crucial Ballistix 3000Mhz, but you just made me think i didnt activate DOCP after last BIOS update i did 2 weeks ago. Maybe is there the problem?

 

[Felix123BU]

Thanks for the answer.

I'm actually using a pair of Crucial Ballistix 3000Mhz, but you just made me think i didnt activate DOCP after last BIOS update i did 2 weeks ago. Maybe is there the problem?

Most likely . And even if you get it to 3000mhz with DOCP, that is still rather low because usually those timings are pretty relaxed. If the Ram kit allows, you can get a lot more extra performance by tuning it, but that takes some time and quite a lot of knowledge. A good way to enter tuning is Dram Calculator for Ryzen, its not perfect, but a decent starting point.

 

[Cekho]

Most likely . And even if you get it to 3000mhz with DOCP, that is still rather low because usually those timings are pretty relaxed. If the Ram kit allows, you can get a lot more extra performance by tuning it, but that takes some time and quite a lot of knowledge. A good way to enter tuning is Dram Calculator for Ryzen, its not perfect, but a decent starting point.

Well i just rebooted the system and enabled DOCP.
Long story short tomorrow i'll receive new pair of RAM that have 3600mhz, and i didnt even know this problem ^^'

I'm going for a benchmark now just to see if i got some improvement

Thanks for the pretty quick answer, super gentle


EDIT:
This is my last benchmark, i got a 17 fps improvement, not impressive but still a thing. Maybe with the new pairs of RAM i'll get a major improvement

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[Felix123BU]

Well i just rebooted the system and enabled DOCP.
Long story short tomorrow i'll receive new pair of RAM that have 3600mhz, and i didnt even know this problem ^^'

I'm going for a benchmark now just to see if i got some improvement

Thanks for the pretty quick answer, super gentle


EDIT:
This is my last benchmark, i got a 17 fps improvement, not impressive but still a thing. Maybe with the new pairs of RAM i'll get a major improvement

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That's not bad, 17fps extra

See here how much I gained just by Ram tuning, does not mean you will get the same increases, but it shows how much Ram does affect this game.

That 3600mhz ram should help, and if you can tune it even more, lets say to a 3800mhz with decent sub timings, that would make it even better.

 

[QuietBob]

Well i just rebooted the system and enabled DOCP.
Long story short tomorrow i'll receive new pair of RAM that have 3600mhz, and i didnt even know this problem ^^'

I'm going for a benchmark now just to see if i got some improvement

Thanks for the pretty quick answer, super gentle


EDIT:
This is my last benchmark, i got a 17 fps improvement, not impressive but still a thing. Maybe with the new pairs of RAM i'll get a major improvement

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Those scores are way off the mark. Your 3700X is performing worse than a quad core Zen 2. Something's holding your CPU back and faster RAM isn't going to magically double your fps. Your processor may be throttling or it is being bogged down by heavy background processing.

Are you running any other software at the same time? What are your temperatures?

 

[phanbuey]

Well i just rebooted the system and enabled DOCP.
Long story short tomorrow i'll receive new pair of RAM that have 3600mhz, and i didnt even know this problem ^^'

I'm going for a benchmark now just to see if i got some improvement

Thanks for the pretty quick answer, super gentle


EDIT:
This is my last benchmark, i got a 17 fps improvement, not impressive but still a thing. Maybe with the new pairs of RAM i'll get a major improvement

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do you have virtualization enabled in the bios? Turning this off also gives me a few more fps in this game.

 

[Cekho]

Those scores are way off the mark. Your 3700X is performing worse than a quad core Zen 2. Something's holding your CPU back and faster RAM isn't going to magically double your fps. Your processor may be throttling or it is being bogged down by heavy background processing.

Are you running any other software at the same time? What are your temperatures?

That's what i feared.
But temperatures seems ok. These screen is captured during the benchmark. I didnt use any software, just one tab of Chrome open. :s

 

[kane nas]

5600x Pbo+curve optimization@5.0GHz,Gskill flareX 3200@3733 cl15.
6800 Powercolor,MorePowerTools@6800xt Nitro+ bios=300W Power Limit,360 A TDC,55 Soc,Power Limit +15%,1875 MHz Fclk.
Custom settings/all ultra/Aniso x16 /motion blur off/AMD FidelityFX CAS off
1920X1080,2560X1440,3840X2160,5120x2880 and 3840x2160 + RT ultra shadows.

 

[QuietBob]

That's what i feared.
But temperatures seems ok. These screen is captured during the benchmark. I didnt use any software, just one tab of Chrome open. :s
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You should be seeing much higher CPU usage, SOTTR scales with eight cores easily. Also your temps would indicate that the processor isn't being fully utilized.
Could you fill out your hardware specs in the user profile?
Oh, and welcome to TPU!

 

[Cekho]

You should be seeing much higher CPU usage, SOTTR scales with eight cores easily. Also your temps would indicate that the processor isn't being fully utilized.
Could you fill out your hardware specs in the user profile?
Oh, and welcome to TPU!

Thanks for the advice and the welcome , i'll fill my user profile with my hardware specs.

I'm a bit frustrated cause the processor is pretty new (i bought it like 1 month ago) and dont really know what i can do for resolve the issue :\

EDIT: I added the specs hope can help

 

[Cowboystrekk]

Thanks for the answer.

I'm actually using a pair of Crucial Ballistix 3000Mhz, but you just made me think i didnt activate DOCP after last BIOS update i did 2 weeks ago. Maybe is there the problem?

I had that on my 3600 and that should give 130 fps avg cpu game. 3700X should do 140+. Is your ram in A2-B2 slot? Dcop should help a lot

 

[QuietBob]

Thanks for the advice and the welcome , i'll fill my user profile with my hardware specs.

I'm a bit frustrated cause the processor is pretty new (i bought it like 1 month ago) and dont really know what i can do for resolve the issue :\

EDIT: I added the specs hope can help

Great, you've got a nice setup there! The 3700X is a good CPU, but I wouldn't like to de-rail this thread. Maybe you could create your own new topic in General Hardware, so we can do some proper troubleshooting?

 

[mrthanhnguyen]

I like Intel more coz its more User friendly. Just plug and play and you got good result. Meanwhile AMD took too much time and can't figure out what is going on. 47.75ccx0 47ccx1 3800c13 with 33c water for daily usage.

 

[Cekho]

I had that on my 3600 and that should give 130 fps avg cpu game. 3700X should do 140+. Is your ram in A2-B2 slot? Dcop should help a lot

Oh god, just checked the slots ram and I noticed they're in single channel. I'll fix the position when my new pair of 3600mhz arrive today.

Great, you've got a nice setup there! The 3700X is a good CPU, but I wouldn't like to de-rail this thread. Maybe you could create your own new topic in General Hardware, so we can do some proper troubleshooting?

Absolutely you right, sorry I just posted there cause I thought was a problem related to the game. I'm going to fix the position of rams today (atm are in single channel, maybe this is limiting my CPU) and if the problem is not resolved i'll make a thread in the right section!

Thanks you all for your answers

 

[Cowboystrekk]

Finally I was able to match my slightly unstable 4.8 4000cl15 overclock. This is Curve optimizer + 200 PBO and 4000cl16 tuned 1T. Still 8fps lower than no resizeable bar, but I`m satisfied

 

[Felix123BU]

Oh god, just checked the slots ram and I noticed they're in single channel. I'll fix the position when my new pair of 3600mhz arrive today.



Absolutely you right, sorry I just posted there cause I thought was a problem related to the game. I'm going to fix the position of rams today (atm are in single channel, maybe this is limiting my CPU) and if the problem is not resolved i'll make a thread in the right section!

Thanks you all for your answers

Well, it was a Ram problem in the end, only manifested in a different form. Glad you have a resolution, these things can be extremely frustrating

 

[Cowboystrekk]

Oh god, just checked the slots ram and I noticed they're in single channel. I'll fix the position when my new pair of 3600mhz arrive today.



Absolutely you right, sorry I just posted there cause I thought was a problem related to the game. I'm going to fix the position of rams today (atm are in single channel, maybe this is limiting my CPU) and if the problem is not resolved i'll make a thread in the right section!

Thanks you all for your answers

What 3600 ram did you order? The ballistix 3000 i Micron rev E that can overclock like a champ, I ran mine at 3733cl15 and tight subs for half a year at 1.43V. Bullzoid tested 10 of these sticks and all managed 4900-5100 a 1.55-1.7V. Running 3800cl15 which is your estimated max is quite easy Unless you get B-die the new ram probably won't be faster than the ones you have.

 

[Tanzmusikus]

"In our testing with pre-release builds of Windows 11," UL tells us, "a feature called Virtualization-based Security (VBS) causes performance to drop. VBS is enabled by default after a clean install of Windows 11, but not when upgrading from Windows 10. This means the same system can get different benchmark scores depending on how Windows 11 was installed and whether VBS is enabled or not. "

You could try to deactivate VBS/Hyper-V w/o deactivating AMD-V, if you wanna use it w/ VMs.
Open CMD as admin and type "bcdedit /set hypervisorlaunchtype off", then restart PC.

But you have to reset your registry or gpo settings:

"HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\DeviceGuard and add a new DWORD value named EnableVirtualizationBasedSecurity and set its value to 0 "

or

• Run gpedit.msc
• Go to Local Computer Policy > Computer Configuration > Administrative Templates > System > Device Guard
• Double click Turn on Virtualization Based Security
• Select Disabled
• Click OK
• A reboot might be required.

I'm a bit frustrated cause the processor is pretty new (i bought it like 1 month ago) and dont really know what i can do for resolve the issue :\

Maybe you could get a bit more FPS by enabling option "exclusive fullscreen".
This is also a condition you can read in the start post.

 

[Felix123BU]

This...is just weird

Reran this test on Windows 11, exact same hardware settings...

Thats 47 extra FPS, and CPU Game is 48 FPS extra vs my previous best of 240.

Anybody else noticed such huge jumps? I still cant believe it, reran the test 3 times, same results

 

[Cowboystrekk]

This...is just weird

Reran this test on Windows 11, exact same hardware settings...

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Thats 47 extra FPS, and CPU Game is 48 FPS extra vs my previous best of 240.

Anybody else noticed such huge jumps? I still cant believe it, reran the test 3 times, same results

Yeah, seen others report the same. Too bad Win11 in general performs worse i many other games :/

 

[Felix123BU]

Yeah, seen others report the same. Too bad Win11 in general performs worse i many other games :/

Well, I tested the games I have, and with the exception of this same game, but only at higher resolutions, and CP2077, its basically the same performance as it was in WIN 10 across the board.

That's why its really weird that in Shadow of the Tomb Raider at 1080p lowest I get a huge 47FPS boost (and its not a fluke, reran the test like 10 times), but in 3440x1440 and 4K I get a 4-5 FPS reduction. All other games are 1-2FPS +/-, so run to run variance.

And coupled with the L3 cache bug that AMD reported, that, as they say, can affect memory intensive games, that should be patched this month, I can only see positives in WIN 11, well, except the usual Windows telemetry and "spying" shenanigans

 

[Cowboystrekk]

Well, I tested the games I have, and with the exception of this same game, but only at higher resolutions, and CP2077, its basically the same performance as it was in WIN 10 across the board.

That's why its really weird that in Shadow of the Tomb Raider at 1080p lowest I get a huge 47FPS boost (and its not a fluke, reran the test like 10 times), but in 3440x1440 and 4K I get a 4-5 FPS reduction. All other games are 1-2FPS +/-, so run to run variance.

And coupled with the L3 cache bug that AMD reported, that, as they say, can affect memory intensive games, that should be patched this month, I can only see positives in WIN 11, well, except the usual Windows telemetry and "spying" shenanigans

Although SOTTR is a great game for testing HW and scales well with frequency, cores, timings etc it has some weird limitations on certain setups. Getting over 200fps on Ryzen 3000 seems impossible even at 720p low, there is a wall around 180-190 fps. On my 3600 with 3733-B-die I could get 165fps CPU avg at 1080p highest, but getting over 185fps even at 720p lowest was impossible. Maybe Windows 11 has improved some things, would be cool to see if Ryzen 3000 fares better on Win11.

 

[Hyderz]

heres my results highest settings 1080p