Sneak peek at 2070 Performance.

[cucker tarlson]

Glad I went for 1080Ti. I counted on 2070 to be maybe ~5% of 1080Ti but 15-16% over 1080 is best case scenario while +30% over 1080 is the baseline for 1080ti.

 

[John Naylor]

at $599 it is not worth. should be $330 like GTX 970. Im even willing to pay a total of 399$ for the extra 4.5GB and RTRT.

I don't think we'll ever see a x70 at 970 prices again that was a distinct aberration. I half expected nVidia to get wrist slapped for predatory pricing on that one thinking that it was an obvious attempt to hurt AMD by taking away another price / performance niche.

Yeah. That was discussed a few weeks ago in another thread. Looks like I was wrong. I didn't think NVidia would shoot themselves in the foot like that.

I have been saying this since 10xx series broke ... as long as there's no competition from AMD, the only cards hurt by better SLI performance is the1080 and 1080 Ti ... and since nVidia makes more money selling the top tier cards, they embarked on a strategy to a) shrink the price difference b) nerf SLI performance (especially at 1080p) and to a lesser extent 1440p).

 

[cucker tarlson]

As for the people upgrading from older cards, it may be a good option if you can find it at a similar price to 1080. However, duke 1080 goes for 475 and additional 20 in rebate, while 499 is the theoretical price for 2070. The actual difference may be 70-80 bucks at least. If you're not limited by your budget then sure, go for the rtx. I would in that scenario. But the card is not a savior for the rtx line and it falls exactly where 2080 and 2080Ti do price-wise, that is in the category of premium for each segment they belong to.

 

[champsilva]

Great performance on the 2070. About where I expected it to be: above 1080 and below 1080Ti. The 1070 beating a 980Ti was an aberration in what usually happens.

Nvidia should take note that despite HardOCP being on their bad list, the review still says great things about the card.

Kinda, 970 also is a draw with the 780 Ti.

 

[cucker tarlson]

1070 never did beat 980ti. It was a better card overall, but did not beat 980ti in performance.

 

[WikiFM]

Very interesting read. My conclusions based on those benchmarks are different than those of the reviewer but what should be clear to everyone is that the RTX2070 is a great performance card that makes even the GTX1080 look like a lesser card. My guess is that the the 2070 is likely on par with the 1080ti and might beat it out in some ways.

The 2070 is 12% faster than 1080, instead of 30% like 1080 Ti. The only way it should beat 1080 Ti is on RTX, not in any current game.

They make more money selling one 2080ti then two 2070s.

Add to that the lack of necessity to have driver compatibility for games with SLI for such cards and that means less man hours work with drivers which in turn mean more money ...

ATM a 2080 Ti cost around $1200 and 2 2070 will cost $600, so $1200 too. But the SLI performance of 2070 should be lower than a single 2080 Ti due to bad scaling in most games, so it is pointless.

As for the people upgrading from older cards, it may be a good option if you can find it at a similar price to 1080. However, duke 1080 goes for 475 and additional 20 in rebate, while 499 is the theoretical price for 2070. The actual difference may be 70-80 bucks at least. If you're not limited by your budget then sure, go for the rtx. I would in that scenario. But the card is not a savior for the rtx line and it falls exactly where 2080 and 2080Ti do price-wise, that is in the category of premium for each segment they belong to.

We have seen a lot of 1080 cards between $460 and $480, but I do not expect to see a 2070 below $600 at least until next year, so 70-80 is more like 120-140 for just 12% more performance.

1070 never did beat 980ti. It was a better card overall, but did not beat 980ti in performance.

What? Of course it beat 980 Ti, even Titan X Maxwell

 

[lexluthermiester]

The 2070 is 12% faster than 1080, instead of 30% like 1080 Ti.

How do you arrive at that number? Based on the review above, the average is high enough to match and even surpass that of of a 1080ti in most cases.

Maybe a future 2070Ti made of 104 rejects will?

Very likely. Equally likely is the addition of a value version of 2080.

 

[WikiFM]

How do you arrive at that number? Based on the review above, the average is high enough to match and even surpass that of of a 1080ti in most cases.

Averaging the medium fps of each of the games tested on the review above. The average is 12% faster than 1080, they wrote between 10 and 19% faster. Anyway all of us know that 1080 Ti is more than 19% faster than 1080, actually around 35% in 4K according to TPU review.

Source:https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_1080_Ti/35.html

 

[lexluthermiester]

Averaging the medium fps of each of the games tested on the review above. The average is 12% faster than 1080, they wrote between 10 and 19% faster. Anyway all of us know that 1080 Ti is more than 19% faster than 1080, actually around 35% in 4K according to TPU review.

Source:https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_1080_Ti/35.html

While that was a good review, it's not the end-all-be-all of performance analysis. The FE ti's were not the only config for ti's. My own 1080 comes close to those numbers. TPU will very likely be reviewing this GPU in some form and then the comparison will have more merit.

 

[trog100]

this is why nvidia are gimping sli on everything except the real high end (read over priced) cards..

3dmark carries weight with me and i am sure it does others.. i think a 2080ti manages less than 2500 running the same benchmark....

trog

ps.. yes i meant 25000.. typo..

 

[xkm1948]

Turing is pretty powerful. It is shaping up to be another generation of solid offerings from the green team.

 

[ppn]

It is 106 chip, it was supposed to be 10nm, 225mm2 chip. Now skip that goes straight to 7 nm 133mm2 in 2019. Wow just wow buy 3050Ti 1 year early at 599$ as fast as 1080Ti minus 10% same thing.

 

[bug]

Turing is pretty powerful. It is shaping up to be another generation of solid offerings from the green team.

It's powerful alright. But that power comes at the cost of die size. Until that die is shrunk, Turing will remain out of mortals' reach. 7nm can't come soon enough.

But look at the silver lining: I got one more year out of my GTX 1060!

 

[WikiFM]

this is why nvidia are gimping sli on everything except the real high end (read over priced) cards..

3dmark carries weight with me and i am sure it does others.. i think a 2080ti manages less than 2500 running the same benchmark....

trog

Less than 2500? Did you mean 25000? Just doing math gives me that 2 1070 have 512 cores less than a single 2080 Ti and each 1070 has 2.4x less memory bandwidth than 2080 Ti, plus any performance uplift of Turing arch.

 

[xkm1948]

It's powerful alright. But that power comes at the cost of die size. Until that die is shrunk, Turing will remain out of mortals' reach. 7nm can't come soon enough.

But look at the silver lining: I got one more year out of my GTX 1060!

Yeah that silicon real-estate is used for Ray Tracing. We shall see how that fares

 

[Fluffmeister]

So it's finally happened, 106 tier chips leaving the high-end competition behind.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Here's a thing;

 

[Fluffmeister]

I wished they would have a power draw test.

Very good... right around RX 480/RX570 apparently:

https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/msi_geforce_rtx_2070_armor_8g_review,7.html

 

[ppn]

That power test does not include tensor core and rt core load,150mm2 of the core is idle.

 

[bug]

That power test does not include tensor core and rt core load,150mm2 of the core is idle.

That's why it's fair, apples-to-apples comparison

 

[phanbuey]

Im hoping there will be an '8800GT' version coming out this generation... Maybe something in the $500 range that matches the 2080 in 2019.

 

[Assimilator]

Anandtech's review of the 2070 FE is up now. Reading it in the context of the [H] review, it appears the 2070 can and does beat 1080 Ti FE, but if and ONLY if the 2070 is clocked mighty high.

That's a problem for NVIDIA IMO, because used and excess stock 1080 Ti cards are gonna start flooding the market now, and there's a good possibility some will come in at below custom 2070 MSRP, which will end up causing custom 2070 prices to drop, which hurts NVIDIA and the manufacturers.

 

[cucker tarlson]

Anandtech's review of the 2070 FE is up now. Reading it in the context of the [H] review, it appears the 2070 can and does beat 1080 Ti FE, but if and ONLY if the 2070 is clocked mighty high.

That's up to game test suite. Turing's performance is really good in some, but pretty meh in some too.
Hwunboxed found 2080 AIB to be 7% faster than 1080 AIB. If you look at the results, you've got as many games that 2070 beats 1080 by 15-20% that you have those where it drwas 1080 or loses a few frames.It can maybe beats 1080Ti FE in one or two games if you compare OC AIB vs FE, but in general this card is hardly any better than gtx 1080 to be honest. I expected 2070 to be the best from the line up, but it is disappointing if I'm to be honest. Good card,but not really that much better than 1080. You'd not spot a difference in most cases.

Spoiler

In this test you can compare 1080ti AIB vs 2070 AIB, and 1080ti just smashes it

https://www.purepc.pl/karty_graficz...force_gtx_1080_ktory_bedzie_szybszy?page=0,19

the results one by one, in percent over 2070 (1440p)

+15% +22% +19% +20% +18% +33% +24% +26% +42% -8%

 

[Assimilator]

Good card,but not really that much better than 1080.

I think that sums it up really - and that's a shame.

 

[trog100]

my pair of old 1070 cards in sli mode have just scored 11741 in time spy..

it looks like i am stuck where i am for while.. i like to keep up but this time around it would cost far too much.. i know my real life gaming performance comes down to the luck of scaling but i can live with that..

trog