[SOLVED] Windows 10 Realtek 'Speaker Fill' not working

OneMoar · Sep 18, 2015

FordGT90Concept said:
That's the default setting so already checked.

flip it then

FordGT90Concept · Sep 18, 2015

See edit. No impact on Speaker Fill. I even tried checking "full range speakers" (which is a lie) and rear channel is still silent.

OneMoar · Sep 18, 2015

you could use equaliser apo and a 'copy' filter
the config process is fairly painless and its low latency to boot
http://sourceforge.net/projects/equalizerapo/files/
http://sourceforge.net/p/equalizerapo/wiki/Configuration reference/#filter
the downside is that native 5.1 content won't work correctly
honestly you just need to find a better player that supports native speaker fill
edit: never mind going over the config you can use the staging to correct for this see the documentation for how

FordGT90Concept · Sep 18, 2015

I don't think I'll even try that unless I run out of options with making it work at driver level.

Yeah, I have to disable "Speaker Fill," or whatever the stereo surround feature is called, when running 6 channel audio.

OneMoar · Sep 18, 2015

FordGT90Concept said:
I don't think I'll even try that unless I run out of options with making it work at driver level.

Yeah, I have to disable "Speaker Fill," or whatever the stereo surround feature is called, when running 6 channel audio.

APO's are driver level
EVERYTHING Is software and the included effects are indeed APO driven
every single effect on every sound card on the planet made since vista uses APO objects for processing and interfacing There is no difference no extra cpu is used no additional latency other then what is required by the plugin its self
https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/hardware/ff537908(v=vs.85).aspx
sub-cat default APO's

FordGT90Concept · Sep 18, 2015

That may be but I can't be messing with that until after the Speaker Fill debacle closes. The fact Realtek drivers delete the Enhancements tab that would give me access to the default Speaker Fill APO is part of the problem. I mentioned that in my reply to MSI.

OneMoar · Sep 18, 2015

FordGT90Concept said:
That may be but I can't be messing with that until after the Speaker Fill debacle closes. The fact Realtek drivers delete the Enhancements tab that would give me access to the default Speaker Fill APO is part of the problem. I mentioned that in my reply to MSI.

its not just you thats a driver-wide limitation its been that way for ages my machine does the same thing certain effects are not supported on multi-channel configs XOR certain bit depths
try dropping to 44100/16 and see if it comes back
reltek is not going to fix the problem, they very rarely patch anything of importance in their drivers
and Equaliser APO will likely do a better job anyway in terms of quality

FordGT90Concept · Sep 18, 2015

I went as low as it would go (24/44.1kHz) and still doesn't work.

OneMoar · Sep 18, 2015

FordGT90Concept said:
I went as low as it would go (24/44.1kHz) and still doesn't work.

then barring realtek actually doing something equalizer APO is your only option
you can install and configure it and if you don't wanna use it you can simply disable it
I should mention that I have no enhancements tab either
I run vipers audio DSP and equaliserAPO stacked

FordGT90Concept · Sep 18, 2015

Where does this Equalizer APO show up? Control Panel?

OneMoar · Sep 18, 2015

FordGT90Concept said:
Where does this Equalizer APO show up? Control Panel?

it doesn't once installed you configure it via notepad and a config.txt located in
C:\Program Files\EqualizerAPO\config
mine looks like this
// HS = HIGH SHELF,LS=LOW SHELF,PK=PEAK,HP=HIGHPASS,LP=LOWPASS freq above/below a "shelf" are processed regardless of any other filters"
//configured for JVC-HARX900'S @ ASUS MAXIMUS Running viper4windows /w SPL Goldmike Convolter emulation 1/1/2015
//Device: Realtek High Definition Audio Speakers {3beaaf63-2275-4c60-ab45-f30805438f1e}
//bass
preamp: +0.0
Filter 1: OFF LS Fc 25,0 Hz Gain 0,0 dB Q 1,00
Filter 2: OFF PK Fc 45,0 Hz Gain 0,0 dB Q 1,00
Filter 3: ON PK Fc 53,0 Hz Gain 2,0 dB Q 1,00
Filter 4: ON LS Fc 63,0 Hz Gain 3,0 dB Q 1,00
Filter 5: ON PK Fc 73,0 Hz Gain 2,6 dB Q 1,00
Filter 6: ON PK Fc 93,0 Hz Gain 2,5 dB Q 3,00
Filter 6.1: OFF PK Fc 123,0 Hz Gain 2,0 dB Q 3,00
//crossover harmonics
Filter 7: OFF PK Fc 185,0 Hz Gain -1,0 dB Q 1,00
Filter 8: ON PK Fc 256,0 Hz Gain -0,7 dB Q 1,00
Filter 9: ON PK Fc 370,0 Hz Gain -0,7 dB Q 1,00
Filter 10: ON PK Fc 420,0 Hz Gain -0,8 dB Q 1,00
Filter 11: OFF PK Fc 512,0 Hz Gain -0,9 dB Q 1,00
Filter 12: ON PK Fc 525,0 Hz Gain -0,8 dB Q 1,00
Filter 13: OFF PK Fc 740,0 Hz Gain -0,9 dB Q 1,00
Filter 14: OFF PK Fc 823,0 Hz Gain -0,8 dB Q 1,00
Filter 15: OFF PK Fc 923,0 Hz Gain -0,5 dB Q 1,00
//vocal-mids
Filter 16: OFF PK Fc 1022,0 Hz Gain 1,0 dB Q 1,00
Filter 17: OFF PK Fc 1053,0 Hz Gain 1,0 dB Q 1,00
Filter 17: OFF PK Fc 1100,0 Hz Gain 1,0 dB Q 1,00
Filter 18: ON PK Fc 1200,0 Hz Gain 1,1 dB Q 1,00
Filter 19: ON PK Fc 1300,0 Hz Gain 1,0 dB Q 1,00
Filter 21: ON PK Fc 1400,0 Hz Gain 1,1 dB Q 1,00
Filter 22: On PK Fc 1450,0 Hz Gain 1,0 dB Q 1,00
Filter 23: On PK Fc 1550,0 Hz Gain 1,0 dB Q 1,00
Filter 24x: ON PK Fc 1600,0 Hz Gain 0,8 dB Q 1,00

//vocal high
Filter xx1: OFF PK Fc 1777,0 Hz Gain -1,5 dB Q 1,00
Filter xx2: OFF PK Fc 1800,0 Hz Gain -1,5 dB Q 1,00
Filter xx3: OFF PK Fc 1900,0 Hz Gain -1,5 dB Q 1,00
Filter xx3: OFF PK Fc 2000,0 Hz Gain -1,5 dB Q 1,00
Filter xx3: OFF PK Fc 2150,0 Hz Gain -1,5 dB Q 1,00
Filter xx3: OFF PK Fc 2250,0 Hz Gain -1,5 dB Q 1,00
Filter xx3: OFF PK Fc 2325,0 Hz Gain -1,8 dB Q 1,00
Filter xx3: OFF PK Fc 2450,0 Hz Gain -1,5 dB Q 1,00
Filter xx3: ON PK Fc 4500,0 Hz Gain -1,8 dB Q 1,00
Filter xx4: ON PK Fc 5200,0 Hz Gain -1,8 dB Q 1,50
Filter xx3: ON PK Fc 11500,0 Hz Gain -1,8 dB Q 1,50
Filter xx3: ON PK Fc 13000,0 Hz Gain -3,5 dB Q 2,50
Filter xx3: ON PK Fc 14000,0 Hz Gain -3,5 dB Q 2,50
Filter xx3: ON PK Fc 15000,0 Hz Gain -3,5 dB Q 2,50
//highs
Filter 26: OFF PK Fc 16000,0 Hz Gain -6,5 dB Q 1,00
Filter 27: OFF PK Fc 16200,0 Hz Gain -6,5 dB Q 1,00
Filter 28: OFF PK Fc 16500,0 Hz Gain -6,5 dB Q 1,00
Filter 29: ON PK Fc 17000,0 Hz Gain -1,5 dB Q 1,00
Filter 30: OFF PK Fc 18000,0 Hz Gain -0,5 dB Q 1,00
Filter 31: OFF PK Fc 18500,0 Hz Gain -0,5 dB Q 1,00
Filter 32: ON PK Fc 19000,0 Hz Gain -0,5 dB Q 1,00
Filter 33: ON PK Fc 19500,0 Hz Gain -0,5 dB Q 1,00
Filter 34: OFF HS Fc 20500,0 Hz Gain -1,0 dB Q 1,00
Filter 35: OFF PK Fc 21000,0 Hz Gain -100,5 dB Q 1,00
Filter 36: OFF PK Fc 22500,0 Hz Gain -30,5 dB Q 1,00
//LOL-DOG
Filter 37: OFF PK Fc 23000,0 Hz Gain -0,5 dB Q 1,00
Filter 38: OFF PK Fc 24000,0 Hz Gain -0,5 dB Q 1,00
Filter 39: OFF PK Fc 24000,0 Hz Gain -0,5 dB Q 1,00
Filter 40: OFF PK Fc 25000,0 Hz Gain -0,5 dB Q 1,00
Filter 40: OFF PK Fc 26000,0 Hz Gain -0,5 dB Q 1,00

FordGT90Concept · Sep 18, 2015

8| Complicated. So there's no quick way to turn it on and off?

OneMoar · Sep 18, 2015

FordGT90Concept said:
8| Complicated. So there's no quick way to turn it on and off?

not really but once you have it configured its set and forget

OneMoar · Sep 18, 2015

gimme min and ill write you a config

FordGT90Concept · Sep 18, 2015

Yeah, I saw that and it would probably work but only if EqualizerAPO can be made to only effect one device (namely Realtek). It's can't upmix my USB Schiit Modi 2 too because that would be a disaster. Is there a way to limit it to just Realtek?

It would also need to merge FL/FR for C. Copy wouldn't work. I suppose I could live without it--it's the rears missing that is obvious.

OneMoar · Sep 18, 2015

FordGT90Concept said:
Yeah, I saw that and it would probably work but only if EqualizerAPO can be made to only effect one device (namely Realtek). It's can't upmix my USB Schiit Modi 2 too because that would be a disaster. Is there a way to limit it to just Realtek?

It would also need to merge FL/FR for C. Copy wouldn't work. I suppose I could live without it--it's the rears missing that is obvious.

it will prompt you to tell it what device to install to when you run the setup
@FordGT90Concept give this a shot may or may not work my scripting is rusty
///start config
If: inputChannelCount == 2
Stage: pre-mix
preamp: -3.00
Copy: C=M
Copy: SUB=M
Copy: M=0.3L+0.3R //mix gain tweak with caution overload possible if used carelessly
Copy: FL=M
Copy FR=M
Channel: SUB
Filter 1: ON LP Fc 500 Hz Q 1.41
Copy: RL=L
Copy: RR=R
EndIf
//end Config
there is likely a better way todo this with more math operations but I suck at math

OneMoar · Sep 18, 2015

you may need to reverse the channel names depending on the layout of your setup I can't besure never had a need todo this sort of upmixing with equaliser apo

FordGT90Concept · Sep 18, 2015

I assume:
Copy: M=0.3L+0.3R //mix gain tweak with caution overload possible if used carelessly
Is setting variable "M" to 30% of left and 30% of right. Then you're setting center, sub, front left, and front right to the same setting, correct? Front Left and Front Right shouldn't be modified. The BASH amp in the speakers sorts out the low frequency channel from front left and front right (from what I have noticed anyway--it's complicated but it definitely seems to ignore the LF channel) so probably best to leave that channel alone too. It makes more sense to me to do only:
Copy: C=0.5FL+0.5FR
Would that work or have I got it all wrong?

I'm not sure what that Filter1 line is about.

Wouldn't it make more sense to Copy: RL=FL and Copy: RR=FR than copying the (what I assume to be) aggregate of left and right?

Code:

Stage: pre-mix
// Stereo -> Stereo Surround
If: inputChannelCount == 2
Copy: C=0.5FL+0.5FR RL=FL RR=FR //SL=FL SR=FR
EndIf:

OneMoar · Sep 18, 2015

FordGT90Concept said:
I assume:
Copy: M=0.3L+0.3R //mix gain tweak with caution overload possible if used carelessly
Is setting variable "M" to 30% of left and 30% of right. Then you're setting center, sub, front left, and front right to the same setting, correct? Front Left and Front Right shouldn't be modified. The BASH amp in the speakers sorts out the low frequency channel from front left and front right (from what I have noticed anyway--it's complicated but it definitely seems to ignore the LF channel) so probably best to leave that channel alone too. It makes more sense to me to do only:
Copy: C=0.5FL+0.5FR
Would that work or have I got it all wrong?

I'm not sure what that Filter1 line is about.

Wouldn't it make more sense to Copy: RL=FL and Copy: RR=FR than copying the (what I assume to be) aggregate of left and right?

yea you got it sorry its 1am here ... you can omit the low pass if you don't need it or if your sub has a crossover variables in db so 0.3 would be 0.03dB of the total gain on that channel which is why I said use with caution
I posted on the SF board I am sure somebody will sort it
https://sourceforge.net/p/equalizerapo/discussion/general/thread/969605d3/
what Intended todo was blend the center channel into M and and mix that with the total signal sounds more natural that way
tired time to go sleepy

FordGT90Concept · Sep 18, 2015

Oh, I'd want to decrease gain, not increase it for center. Adding the power of two signals together...they get much stronger. I'd have to lower it to compensate.

Athlonite · Sep 18, 2015

This is why I went back to using a dedicated audio card , with the Realtek if I played youtube or sound cloud it would always come out as plain stereo and not fill all the speakers, down load the file and use mpc-hc and everything was fine

FordGT90Concept · Sep 18, 2015

That thought crossed my mind but I think I'm running out of expansion slots to even put one in there.

Ferrum Master · Sep 18, 2015

hmmm
http://blogs.windows.com/bloggingwi...ncing-windows-10-insider-preview-build-10547/

Kursah · Sep 18, 2015

FordGT90Concept said:
8| Complicated. So there's no quick way to turn it on and off?

Download PeaceUI for EQAPO, you can turn it on and off on the fly.

OneMoar · Sep 18, 2015

Kursah said:
Download PeaceUI for EQAPO, you can turn it on and off on the fly.

Peace will not do what he needs it todo which is copy and re-map channels

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[SOLVED] Windows 10 Realtek 'Speaker Fill' not working

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