some receiver brands having specific sound characteristic like speakers?

[inquisitor1]

we know there are speaker brands that are tagged with having a specific sound like being bright and no low end or whatever. like boston acoustics being bright etc.

but is it the same with receivers?

I was looking at a used nad t744 and someone said, lacking in highs. I also saw a few yamaha rxv800/1000/1900

I have an old denon 1602 from 2001 and it showed me a sign its tired. I connected a new paid of used q55 to them and it had the red ring of death. maybe I triggered something when connecting. but a dual button reset process made it work again. now in winter its behaving but summer is when issues will arise

so looking for an avr replacement used. but i dont want anything that will drastically change the sound of the speakers.

what are kef characteristics known as? are they considered bright?

cant say the bass is amazing on them. but happy I have a 12" sub. I will never part with it. it makes such a huge difference. that small frequency range but so massive of an impact

I use it for my pc. watch movies, tv shows, and listen to music while on the net or reading.

 

[Steevo]

Yes they all sound different. There will be frequency response curves you can look at.

 

[Waldorf]

@inquisitor1
never had any issue with any of the Y's stuff at 1xxx or above, especially when it comes to movie sound,as they are one of the brands having experience with pro audio/broadcast background,
not just making up stuff on the computer.
and im a little sensitive to mids/voices, never had trouble to adjust for it with the options given.
i would compare their models based on processors, and get the "smallest" one, that offers the biggest chip in their lineup

 

[inquisitor1]

i would compare their models based on processors, and get the "smallest" one, that offers the biggest chip in their lineup

thanks buddy. so the 1000 or 1900 should do the business?

yamaha should be ok, they know how to make motoryclces. that automatically correlates to excellent audio gear hahaha

 

[Waldorf]

lol.
if it wasnt for cost (i dont like used audio unless someone i know), i was always looking at the top one, but usually settled around the 1000 series (offering 70mm sound field), and never regretted it.
so yeah, if you can, get the 1900, as ppl with money to get upper tier, they usually tend to treat stuff accordingly.

for sub:
check out JL audio, they decide to re-designed their car mobile a while back, to be used for home audio, incl ready to go powered subs. havent heard something thats louder while having same SQ (or the other way around).

 

[Easy Rhino]

we know there are speaker brands that are tagged with having a specific sound like being bright and no low end or whatever. like boston acoustics being bright etc.

but is it the same with receivers?

I was looking at a used nad t744 and someone said, lacking in highs. I also saw a few yamaha rxv800/1000/1900

I have an old denon 1602 from 2001 and it showed me a sign its tired. I connected a new paid of used q55 to them and it had the red ring of death. maybe I triggered something when connecting. but a dual button reset process made it work again. now in winter its behaving but summer is when issues will arise

so looking for an avr replacement used. but i dont want anything that will drastically change the sound of the speakers.

what are kef characteristics known as? are they considered bright?

cant say the bass is amazing on them. but happy I have a 12" sub. I will never part with it. it makes such a huge difference. that small frequency range but so massive of an impact

I use it for my pc. watch movies, tv shows, and listen to music while on the net or reading.

I would take a lot of those reviews with a grain of salt unless they are using precise measuring equipment. In most cases the differences in sound are imperceptible for digital amplifiers. Sure analog/tube amps DO sound different from one another but even then the difference is not massive unless you have sensitive speakers and are in a well treated listening room. You should always go with brand quality and support over whatever the hi-fi gurus like to sell you through their advertisements disguised as reviews.

 

[freeagent]

I have a NAD T748, its ok.. a bit on their lower end side, but with my Mirage speakers a female voice can hit you right in the feels. Next track could be some hardcore 90s rap and it can sound pretty good. The AVR itself is pretty meh if you are looking for a full ranged sound without a sub.. but with a sub its pretty badass. I used a Monitor Audio FB210 and delighted my apartment neighbors every weekend. I gave my Denon AVR's to my sister. I kept a Marantz just in case my NAD kicked the bucket.

But now I am using a soundbar lol.. its actually pretty decent

 

[inquisitor1]

I would take a lot of those reviews with a grain of salt unless they are using precise measuring equipment. In most cases the differences in sound are imperceptible for digital amplifiers. Sure analog/tube amps DO sound different from one another but even then the difference is not massive unless you have sensitive speakers and are in a well treated listening room. You should always go with brand quality and support over whatever the hi-fi gurus like to sell you through their advertisements disguised as reviews.

considering yamaha pioneer denon and possibly onkyo. ive only recently dipped my legs into the audiophile realm. I dont want to goto any hifi store. that would lead me to a rabbit hole of buying.

 

[cvaldes]

Just to point out, Yamaha is the world's largest manufacturer of musical instruments; they started in the 1880s making organs. Their corporate logo is three intersecting tuning forks. The motor company was actually a spin-off in the Fifties after WWII-machinery was converted to make a commercially successful motorcycle.

Anyhow, Yamaha has a long tradition of musical excellence in all sorts of analog musical instruments (pianos, wind instruments, percussion, etc.) not just synthesizers like the legendary DX-7. Music is in Yamaha's DNA. They have a multi-story music store (including jazz cafe) in Ginza, Tokyo.

There are certainly tonal differences between different equipment but not everyone's ears are the same. Some people simply have more discerning ears, just like professional tea tasters' taste buds, perfume makers, sommeliers, whatever. One thing for sure, if you are mostly listening to rock and roll, that genre of music isn't particularly nuanced. You'll see more differences in classical music (particularly solo instruments or small ensembles like trios and quartets), a cappella vocals, choral music, maybe some opera and jazz.

But when testing new stereo equipment, play music you actually listen to. If you don't listen to baroque vocal ensembles like Sequentia, don't put that music on.

I have a tube amp in one room and I only listen to classical music on it. The other genres (rock, pop, jazz, whatever) I play on a consumer grade A/V system in my living room.

I also strongly suggest setting a budget. You can easily spend ten times more money on a setup that is subjectively only 3-4% "better" than some regular A/V system. Remember that in order to hear the differences, you really need to be concentrating on the music and actively listening for those differences. If you are just goofing off and putting music on as something in the background, a typical consumer grade setup will do just fine.

 

[Waldorf]

@Easy Rhino
not saying its the same, but i could tell the difference between the existing (car) amp (12db/oct), and the replacement doing 24db (dont remember numbers, but dampening factor was at least 3x better).
both consumer grade digital amps.

@cvaldes
yeah, even that i was born in germany, took me a while to finally get some Sennheiser cans, and find out what good positioning sounds like.

i dont listen to everything, but tend to try even things i dont listen to for testing, just to see if it can handle it.
definitely was a good idea, as i didnt have to change out all my (i consider lower tier) stuff, when my preference changed from R&B/HH to electronic (Trance/Techno) 30y ago.

its like cars to me. just because i dont drive the track all day, doesnt mean i wont test it under those conditions (and maybe find fading brakes).

 

[catch22atplay]

Bought a Denon a few years ago. I returned it as microphone blew from static electricity. Get a lot of that here. Only had it a week. Replaced it with a Yamaha RX-A1080. It sounds like my speakers are behind curtains now vs the Denon. I think it's more what they use to calibrate your speakers. I have to manually change the speakers eq curve. Don't get me wrong it sounds amazing with some movies. And stereo mode is even better. But the Denon still sounded better to me. But they wouldn't even answer their phone so i'm done with that company.

I don't like bright speakers but i have 7 Boston Acoustics ones for my home theater. They're not bright to me. But yes some find that aluminum tweet to be bright. And i certainly don't need a subwoofer with these 2 VR 40's. At least if i don't want to annoy my neighbors. Already enough floor shaking bass. I go into Best buy or other stores to check on speakers and i swear quality has gone downhill. I still prefer mine over the ones i can demo. Think it would cost a lot to replace these 7 with something new maybe 7k or more for me to be happy. So looks like i'm stuck with them for another 25-30 years. lol

 

[inquisitor1]

But they wouldn't even answer their phone so i'm done with that company

I love boston acoustics. when I lived in the us, I had a 720 nissan pickup. at 18 I went and got a speaker system at a store. got a denon cassette head unit (benzi box) and bostons 6.5" 2 way components. I was in love. I remember I bought a madonna single. express yourself. they had some special effect to the sound. it sounded amazing in that small cockpit. in the truck. I had a sub behind the sub. it was my first time at sublime audio as a teen. I was so in love. I also love the old 90s design of BA. now its shet. not the same company.

 

[lilhasselhoffer]

thanks buddy. so the 1000 or 1900 should do the business?

yamaha should be ok, they know how to make motoryclces. that automatically correlates to excellent audio gear hahaha

Yamaha - Pianos

I spent a few trips driving into Atlanta...and on my way in there's a huge sign for Yamaha pianos. Atlanta, Georgia, in the United States. They also build water craft, golf carts, buggies, and none of this touches on their motorcycles. You may be joking, but the truth is that they are absolutely sticking an enormous amount of fingers into a lot of pies.


On the original topic...the size of each speaker and its construction determine its frequency response range. Without getting into the weeds, let's call it mechanical properties. You also have the receiver producing analog signal from (presumably) digital sources. In an ideal world you have a bandpass filter, on each speaker, that only allows signals between certain frequencies to get to each speaker. In this way the speakers only receive signals they can properly respond to, given that bandpass filters will functionally never require changing.

That said, most people are not audiophiles. The average receiver and anything better than garbage speakers are plenty good enough. That said...there are people who want to pretend they've got magic ears, and that the "warmth" of records makes them better (despite literally containing less data than a CD with more "noise" in the signal. If you find one of them, they'll spend hours describing brightness and warmth of sound...and show you why you "need" a 30k file server for your digital media files...without any digital to analog conversion included in that 30k price tag. Good for them.

 

[inquisitor1]

yes alot of bullshit artist playing themselves up. its hilarious.

yamaha is well know in many industries and I was making it humorous that because their bikes go fast their other products are good.

Im now considering a sound bar for the tv. nothing is set yet. im looking. sometimes things fall in your lap when you least expect it.

 

[Waldorf]

@lilhasselhoffer

while its not applying to everything out there, and im not getting into price/tier stuff (subject to your wallet and goal), in the late 90s i met some folks
with some nicer equipment, and having listened to records playing on a unit on the level of that you dont turn it off (takes time to spin up) with the rest matching quality,
i could tell the difference, not talking about noise, as any more modern recording from say a concert wouldnt sound like its from the 1930s.

and while i have good hearing (still can hear some of the UHF bat calls), i dont call myself AP, i still see spending a little more on the right stuff will make a notable difference.

and unless something has changed, the mid/higher tier OP is interested in, all come with adjustable filters for speaker out, and usually have no-processing-stereo-only mode to reduce impacts on analog SQ.

@inquisitor1
see if you can find one cheap. dedicated center.
you can add wireless rear speakers.
first time i had one in my shop, i was surprised how much level i could get while not producing noticeable distortion, and the first time i had the stuff on shelfs moving by themselves,
when playing STW with a star destroyer come in.

80% of those interested in SQ with 2.1/5.1 amp/speaker setup (but keeping in mind their partner (no wires/small footprint) decided for the SB (incl rears).

Z9F

 

[inquisitor1]

whats up @Waldorf always enjoy conversing with you.

"see if you can find one cheap. dedicated center.
you can add wireless rear speakers."

I have a bit of a problem. my bedroom is in the large main room. its around 35x40'. now, my bed is up against one wall, but no wall in front of the bed to mount a tv. I was looking to either get a mobile tv stand (they look super wimpy, or weld one with square tube steel, or get a 4'H x 3'W 2 door black dresser and mount casters on them and put the tv on top so i dont know where I can put the center. I have another set of floorstanding speakers which I have on casters (I know, what a abomination, but it works well) that i can use next to the sides of the dresser. but not sure where to mount a center. and I thought I may not use the floor standing and just use a thin sound bar. I havent ironed out the details. but I dont want small satelites or bookshelf size speakers. only floor standing. I have to test again the floor standing I have had and used. I remember one driver stopped working. well see.

 

[Waldorf]

anytime you mount a tv to anything (incl "stand") you can always add some metal strips (with holes) to the screw holding the tv,
allowing to mount/attach speakers.

dont know your location, so generic on. com

stand
no coasters
3 legs

band

or just stack some book/storage stuff on top of each other until desired height.
storage

 

[lilhasselhoffer]

@lilhasselhoffer

while its not applying to everything out there, and im not getting into price/tier stuff (subject to your wallet and goal), in the late 90s i met some folks
with some nicer equipment, and having listened to records playing on a unit on the level of that you dont turn it off (takes time to spin up) with the rest matching quality,
i could tell the difference, not talking about noise, as any more modern recording from say a concert wouldnt sound like its from the 1930s.

and while i have good hearing (still can hear some of the UHF bat calls), i dont call myself AP, i still see spending a little more on the right stuff will make a notable difference.

and unless something has changed, the mid/higher tier OP is interested in, all come with adjustable filters for speaker out, and usually have no-processing-stereo-only mode to reduce impacts on analog SQ.

@inquisitor1
see if you can find one cheap. dedicated center.
you can add wireless rear speakers.
first time i had one in my shop, i was surprised how much level i could get while not producing noticeable distortion, and the first time i had the stuff on shelfs moving by themselves,
when playing STW with a star destroyer come in.

80% of those interested in SQ with 2.1/5.1 amp/speaker setup (but keeping in mind their partner (no wires/small footprint) decided for the SB (incl rears).

Z9F

I...don't want a long discussion into this, so let me crystallize my argument. I appreciate yours, and don't think it's wrong. It just isn't where I see things.

You can buy a speaker for $5, $10, $50, and $5000.
The $5 one is junk, and the $10 is more than twice as good.
The $50 speaker is not 10x as good as the $5, but it's probably about twice as good as the $10 one.
The $5000 speaker is by far the best. It may be twice as good as the $50 one...for 100x the price.

Most people can live with the $10 option, even if they can hear the difference in the $50 one. Most people couldn't hear the difference between a $50 and $100 option, even if they can hear the $10 to $20 difference. In this way, there are a limited range of products which make sense to buy....even if the $5000 speaker is actually the best by a noticeable margin...law of diminishing returns and all of that.

In practice it seems like most compressed mp3 audio and similar don't really see benefits from systems that rapidly increase in cost from the hundreds to thousands of dollars.


Net-net, you are right. With infinite funds you can get a better system than the common options. That said, it's also a bottomless money pit if you want the best...which is why I dismiss this out of hand as "not too cheap is often good enough."